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This Leaf is good in the sense that the Top Gear and Fifth Gear electric car tests do show they are perfectly fine speed wise. Though, 160km is very bad range if you are outside of a city and the 30 mins to 84% is still not good enough.
Id be adding 30ish minutes to my regular Meath to Belfast journeys.
I can do two round trips in my old diesel so I agree with the Top Gear verdict that a new approach to getting those electric motors their juice is needed.
I have no problem with electric cars as long as I can have my estate and a good 500 mile range. At the moment I dont think we have anything close to that.
Battery reliant electric cars are a no no for me.
I cant help but think the money being put into the Leaf and its similar competitors is a waste.
That's all fine, it's not a car suitable for you. As for a waste of money, It's Nissan and Renaults money. They can spend their own money anyway they want
They're not new to the car industry either. So I guess they have their reasons for betting on electric. 0 -
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you're just saying that to give yourself peace of mind for buying a lecky car:)
meh I've done my homework Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I've heard and read plenty of them by now. I'm still extremely pleased with my purchase. I'm not an environmentalist so I don't have anything against people buying petrol or diesel cars. The Leaf suits my family and in the long term it is a good investment for us. 0 -
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Sesshoumaru wrote: »This Leaf is good in the sense that the Top Gear and Fifth Gear electric car tests do show they are perfectly fine speed wise. Though, 160km is very bad range if you are outside of a city and the 30 mins to 84% is still not good enough.
Id be adding 30ish minutes to my regular Meath to Belfast journeys.
I can do two round trips in my old diesel so I agree with the Top Gear verdict that a new approach to getting those electric motors their juice is needed.
I have no problem with electric cars as long as I can have my estate and a good 500 mile range. At the moment I dont think we have anything close to that.
Battery reliant electric cars are a no no for me.
I cant help but think the money being put into the Leaf and its similar competitors is a waste.
That's all fine, it's not a car suitable for you. As for a waste of money, It's Nissan and Renaults money. They can spend their own money anyway they want They're not new to the car industry either. So I guess they have their reasons for betting on electric.
Indeed, they are not new to the business. They know how to jump on a band wagon.
You misunderstand my post also, betting on electric is not an issue, never has been.
The point is the source of the electricity is wrong. There will be no worthwhile development of battery based electric cars.
What is better for manufactures to do is help to develop what Honda have done sucessfully and that's hydrogen. Essentially the power generator is on board. Battery tech wont work as we will never see a battery powered car fulfill my needs.
Don't take that as selfish, its part of my point of a system that can accommodate the masses being developed. Battery based can not do this.
With that cleared up its fine that you have an electric car that suits you, however i feel your needs are in the minority and that is all battery based electric cars can do.0 -
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Sesshoumaru wrote: »meh I've done my homework Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I've heard and read plenty of them by now. I'm still extremely pleased with my purchase. I'm not an environmentalist so I don't have anything against people buying petrol or diesel cars. The Leaf suits my family and in the long term it is a good investment for us.
Fair play to you, and well wear.
IMHO, as long as they're not getting 400 miles out of a battery (or the a 400 miles battery can't be charged in a reasonable length to time), hydrogen is still in with a chance. Tho, I do think they'll eventually lick the battery problems.0 -
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17 quid + 13.5% VAT for 2100 km - a quick calculation puts that at the equivalent of about 430 mpg. Amazing. I notice that the 2100 km is made up of 145 journeys, so presumably most of your driving is slow speed urban driving.
How far do you get on a full charge (i.e. 2 euro) if you're driving at higher speeds, say a steady 50 or 60 mph?
What I posted up had a middle bit cut out. I'll show you what I mean:
When I click the "download energy info table" button I get the whole table in CSV format. It's very long in both CSV format and displayed on the webpage, so I just took the top part and bottom part from the webpage and stuck them together for my screenshot. The table has all the details on the type of journeys we make.
If you're interested you can have the CSV for July? I'm happy it doesn't contain any super secrets about my family
To answer your range question at higher speeds. We regularly make a trip from NE Kildare to Bray. That would be M4 to Liffey Valley and the M50 to Bray. So on the M50 I'd have the cruise control set to 100kph most of the time. Occasionally I might go a bit faster when I want to overtake, but normally I'll leave it at exactly 100kph. I'd be happy there is at least 130 kilometres of range at that speed. In most cases 140 kilometres is probably also safe. My wife took the car to kildare village outlet back when we first got the car. For whatever reason she overshot kildare village outlet by a good bit. That day she was primarily on the motorway and afterwards when we plotted her route on Google Maps it worked out at about 154 km. That day when she pulled into the driveway the battery was registering 0%
Of course if she had made that mistake today she could at least use either fast or slow charger at J14 Mayfield Service Station.
Over time as we got more practise we have tended to get more range out of the car as well. So maybe if my wife made the same journey today I think she could get home with more than 0% in the battery. But still it was mostly motorway and it was just after buying the car. 154km is not so bad. As I said earlier EV's are the opposite of ICE, in more urban environments you get more range as slower speeds have less wind resistance and you get energy back from the brakes, 96.4kwh of energy the car generated itself through regenerative braking in July. I think that is impressive!0 -
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Sesshoumaru wrote: »My phone has two processor cores running at 1.2ghz each. It's not only cars that need improved battery technology. I think you're making a mistake if you think only car companies are researching this? Battery technology will continue to progress rapidly to satisfy the needs of our modern and mobile technology driven society.
Also take a look at this clever advertisement form Nissan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0sCCJFkEbE
Electricity is not new. Electric motors are not new, batteries aren't a new technology either. We use electricity to power nearly every piece of technology we have. We know it, we understand it and we already have a distribution network for it. Hydrogen technology is way way behind that curve.
Well I do not know where you are basing this assumption on my view of who is researching battery technology.
The ad is clever but it is just an advert. All the products it shows aside from the car were designed to run off electricity from day one with electric generation from power stations.
To the important stuff of battery vs electricity generation.
Taking two cars, the Nissan Leaf (Battery) and the Honda FCX (Hydrogen) in terms of range:
180km for the Leaf vs. 386km for the Honda.
I dont want to pick on the Leaf but I do not remember the other cars figures.
Back to my point about appealing to the masses.
The Honda, the peak of current hydrogen technology, lets me go to Belfast in one go and turn around after a refuel and head home in a bigger car in the same time as my diesel.
The battery powered electric car at its peak of development has already put over an hour onto my journey assuming I would only need two 30 min recharges.
The Honda generates electricity for the motors and for a supplementary battery on board, its making the best of both worlds which is very important. It also has comparable performance figures (acceleration and top speed) to the Leaf but its a bigger car.
You say the infrastructure for battery cars is there in terms of the electricity grid, fair enough.
What about all those petrol stations? Even with a national roll out of recharge points a national roll out of hydrogen would give an equal infrastructure to that of recharge based cars but with upsides already mentioned.
We both can agree electric cars are going to be needed in cars more and more from now on. I have no problem with that. I'm simply saying at this moment in time we have two different ways of getting electricity to the motors, both ways are at their peak of development today and one is clearly better then the other.
I am interested in how you believe hydrogen is behind the curve.
Hydrogen is not available here I know but it still shows in an area where development is really needed there may be a better place to spend the research money in the context of cars. Because, despite the clever nature of the advert, comparing a microwave with a mode of transportation is just silly.
Alarm bells go off when Honda say you lease the car off them though.
They do mention something interesting about a solution for at home refueling too so if that is successful that would put the pressure off a national roll out of retrofitting service stations for lack of a better word.0
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