Rumours of Sabbats for next year....

Ginge Young · 20-02-2012 6:53pm

cambridge wrote: »

Yes, she confirmed it was a rumour. She did not however state if it was a false rumour or just unconfirmed.

I can say there is a rumour I am Sid-Justice and I can confirm that it is a rumour but that doesn't mean I am saying I am or am not Sid-justice. this is.

I am not Sid-Justice.

She is trying to be sneaky using politico speak and you feel for it.

I have heard from her camp she hasn't decided if she has the courage enough to run against me, tbh i don't expect to see her name on the ballot.

Until you confirm to us who you are, you are in no position to speak.

cambridge · 20-02-2012 6:58pm

Chillax ginge, no need to swoop in all white knight on us. i'm sure the good deirdre wilson can fight her own e-battles.

Ginge Young · 20-02-2012 7:00pm

E-battle? I believe she was responding. Gives us a good look into what your actually here for.

Fair is fair, go on and tell us who you are. Meet up for coffee sometime, have a chat about things.

freyners · 20-02-2012 7:03pm

your talking about courage when you wont even confirm who you are:rolleyes::rolleyes:

cambridge · 20-02-2012 7:03pm

might take you up on that. going to the gym later with derek will ask him if he wants to come

wnolan1992 · 20-02-2012 7:17pm

cambridge wrote: »

I'm the great white hope this college needs to get it back up there with the big boys but they won't pick me. they'll go for some spa with a mickey painted on his face giving out free tangle twisters in the court yard. that's how derek got elected the first time and it took 3 years of hurt, misery and pain to get rid of him.

i'll give it my best shot but it's a up hill battle. no body likes the taste of medicine, people don't want to bare the brunt of it. they'll go for some 21 year old jack the lad who will spend the su family savings on trips to the us for leadership seminars and run the only spar stores in the country that aren't profitable.

the dark days are not over, they've just begun and you're pulling the only man with the candle into the abyss. may god have mercy on our souls.

What was it you were saying about self praise..... :pac:

cambridge wrote: »

Fairly big headed there. Self praise is no praise in my book. I've never heard of you, what have you actually achieved in student or national politics. I invite you to campaign against me I'd mop the floor with ya.

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SarahBeep! · 20-02-2012 8:05pm

I here Martin Kehoe of 1st year Aero Eng, who already has a degree in Materials and Construction Technology Education, will be running for ULSU President.

cambridge · 20-02-2012 8:10pm

any more information on him other than the fact he had to go back to college because he couldn't get a job?

Delta Kilo · 20-02-2012 8:16pm

SarahBeep! · 20-02-2012 8:21pm

cambridge wrote: »

any more information on him other than the fact he had to go back to college because he couldn't get a job?

Martin decided to pursue an engineering degree before the end of his first degree. But well done on getting your character bashing outta the way quickly, you can go crawl back under your rock now

He is now and always was highly involved in clubs and societies and has spent a lot of time within ULSU. A very strong candidate.

bambismom · 20-02-2012 8:37pm

cambridge wrote: »

I'll call you anything you want love, a rose by any other name. For all your courage you can't even confirm or deny you're contesting the elections. That's the kind of executive mindedness and decisiveness we need in the su. NAWT.

Love? Really? Trying to get me riled up so that I confess my election/nomination plans? If you knew me, you would know that I have no problem in telling people when they ask.

I am not seeking nomination to the education or presidential offices in the upcoming election.

I have been interested in running for the position of welfare officer since I was a first year student (a well known fact and the one which most rumours have sprung from over the years). Although I would love to hold the position there are a lot of factors to consider. At the start of the semester I gave myself a deadline to decide whether I wanted to run or not. That deadline is approaching, and when I decide I shall let you know.

I am aware that I have neither confirmed nor denied whether I plan to seek election or not. I hope you will not think of this as an inability to make decisions. I am in the process of making an informed decision and do not plan to rush that decision just because some boy calls me "love".

Daniel S · 20-02-2012 9:56pm

SarahBeep! wrote: »

I here Martin Kehoe of 1st year Aero Eng, who already has a degree in Materials and Construction Technology Education, will be running for ULSU President.

I'm in one of his project groups and that's the first I've heard of it. Haven't spoken to him in about a week though.

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:06am

I heard today that Aoife Kenny is reconsidering going for president and instead is going for another crack at education.

Gonna leave Paddy and Kelly dogfight it out for president apparently.

Jester252 · 21-02-2012 1:17am

horsemeat wrote: »

I heard today that Aoife Kenny is reconsidering going for president and instead is going for another crack at education.

Gonna leave Paddy and Kelly dogfight it out for president apparently.

Would pick Kelly without question. She has done great work this year. Is there meant to be an SU meeting in week 8?

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:20am

@cambridge hope you'll forgive me for firing some curveballs your way.

1. What political party are you affiliated with?

2. What's your opinion on the legalization of marijuana (slighty OT I know but I like to ask slightly outside of the box questions to get a broader scope of a candidates ideas and beliefs, like to know who I'm voting for, and not whose lollys taste the nicest or whose manifesto is on the most colourful paper)

3. What changes would you make as regards the shops that have closed? I live in cappavilla and it is extremely inconvenient to have to walk twenty minutes at night across the living bridge, not to mind extremely dangerous. The fear of being robbed raped or worse is a pertinent one at the forefront of my mind.

4. As a fourth year student knee deep in my FYP, I feel longer opening hours in the library are necessary, or perhaps a 24 hour reading room like I gather is operated in trinity. How would you orchestrate same?

5. How much are you willing to give up for this job? What are you willing to sacrifice, given that current and previous sabbats have sacrificed secure offers of jobs and travel plans for the union.

Skyrim · 21-02-2012 1:22am

horsemeat wrote: »

I heard today that Aoife Kenny is reconsidering going for president and instead is going for another crack at education.

Gonna leave Paddy and Kelly dogfight it out for president apparently.

Will this not just be petty squabbling like what earlier on this month?

OhMSGlive · 21-02-2012 1:24am

Skyrim wrote: »

Will this not just be petty squabbling like what earlier on this month?

D'ya reckon? I genuinely don't think this will be the case. But of course, I'm open to correction!

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:26am

I'd say if there's other candidates in the pres race the two of them will put their differences aside for campaign week. otherwise they could both end up ruining each others campaign and some third party could swoop in to victory.

better to keep the crown amongst enemies or friends alike, rather than let strangers rise to wear the purple robe.

Frostie22 · 21-02-2012 1:31am

Long time reader, first time poster. I've 'heard' from sources that the following sabbats are said to be considering running for President:

Aoife Kenny
Paddy Rockett (Just can't tear himself away from the place)

Bar that, I don't believe any of the current sabbats will run for re-election.

You also have to expect some curve balls for President with the likes of Tony Canning, David Hartery and possibly Lily Carroll running either for President or another position.

I personally believe the next President will be a C&S head

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:36am

Frostie22 wrote: »

Long time reader, first time poster. I've 'heard' from sources that the following sabbats are said to be considering running for President:

Aoife Kenny
Paddy Rockett (Just can't tear himself away from the place)

Bar that, I don't believe any of the current sabbats will run for re-election.

You also have to expect some curve balls for President with the likes of Tony Canning, David Hartery and possibly Lily Carroll running either for President or another position.

I personally believe the next President will be a C&S head

those lot are nothing players, they wouldn't be able to step up to the big leagues I don't think. Canning doesn't have the charisma or charm for an election campaign.

cambridge · 21-02-2012 1:43am

SarahBeep! wrote: »

Martin decided to pursue an engineering degree before the end of his first degree. But well done on getting your character bashing outta the way quickly, you can go crawl back under your rock now

dropped out of his first degree? Is that the type of person you want to see elected? someone that can't follow through on the convictions? someone who can't even pass a degree. maybe he should have spent less time being a clubs and socs hack and more time studying.

bambismom wrote: »

I have been interested in running for the position of welfare officer since I was a first year student (a well known fact and the one which most rumours have sprung from over the years). Although I would love to hold the position there are a lot of factors to consider. At the start of the semester I gave myself a deadline to decide whether I wanted to run or not. That deadline is approaching, and when I decide I shall let you know.

I am in the process of making an informed decision and do not plan to rush that decision just because some boy calls me "love".

I'm no boy. You really give me the impression that you take yourself a bit too seriously, as if welfare is some kind of prophecy you need to fulfil. i'm going to be doing a bit of research on you, i can't make my mind up if you're just another doe eyed naive hack or a legitimate contender.

horsemeat wrote: »

I heard today that Aoife Kenny is reconsidering going for president and instead is going for another crack at education.

Gonna leave Paddy and Kelly dogfight it out for president apparently.

more like a cat fight i'd say/

Jester252 wrote: »

Would pick Kelly without question. She has done great work this year. Is there meant to be an SU meeting in week 8?

i think you're being unfair to rockett. he never tarnished the good name of the su, never sent ridiculous email and never ranted and raved on his blog/facebook.

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:44am

u not gonna answer my questions cambridge?

Daniel S · 21-02-2012 1:46am

cambridge wrote: »

dropped out of his first degree? Is that the type of person you want to see elected? someone that can't follow through on the convictions? someone who can't even pass a degree. maybe he should have spent less time being a clubs and socs hack and more time studying.

Do you really think he dropped out? That he couldn't handle it? Engineering is a harder course you clown.

Frostie22 · 21-02-2012 1:46am

horsemeat wrote: »

those lot are nothing players, they wouldn't be able to step up to the big leagues I don't think. Canning doesn't have the charisma or charm for an election campaign.

I think you underestimate how big the C&S vote is. Canning could definitely run a successful campaign, depending on who ran against him.

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:48am

Daniel S wrote: »

Do you really think he dropped out? That he couldn't handle it? Engineering is a harder course you clown.

attack the post not the poster

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:49am

Frostie22 wrote: »

I think you underestimate how big the C&S vote is. Canning could definitely run a successful campaign, depending on who ran against him.

he's devoid of a personality.

The C & S vote didn't go very far for Keith last year and he was their prized pony. If it didn't work for the head honcho it won't work for Tony.

Daniel S · 21-02-2012 1:50am

horsemeat wrote: »

attack the post not the poster

Normally I'd follow that but he's talking about someone I'd consider a friend.

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:52am

Daniel S wrote: »

Normally I'd follow that but he's talking about someone I'd consider a friend.

Not a valid reason to break boards.ie rules.

The forum rules don't accommodate for emotions and friendships and people sticking up for their mates.

cambridge · 21-02-2012 1:55am

horsemeat wrote: »

@cambridge hope you'll forgive me for firing some curveballs your way.

no problem matey, su president needs to be able to think on his feet

1. What political party are you affiliated with?

I was born and raised in washinton dc and am affliated to the republican party. I played a small part in george bushes last campaign. I am not really affiliated to any irish political party but would probably join sinn fein.

2. What's your opinion on the legalization of marijuana (slighty OT I know but I like to ask slightly outside of the box questions to get a broader scope of a candidates ideas and beliefs, like to know who I'm voting for, and not whose lollys taste the nicest or whose manifesto is on the most colourful paper)

In some US states marijuana is legalised for medicinal use. I am fairly liberal with regard to personal recreation. I think the medical risks of low potency marijuana - schizophrenia, depression, psychosis are fairly low compared to the very real risks associated with alcohol (cirrhosis of the liver, psychosis, depression). However, drug sales in ireland is all done by corrupt scumbag criminals. Anyone that smokes cannabis is endorsing extortion, corruption, crime, victimisation. I think people should be allowed smore but they shouldn't be lining the pockets of gangsters.

When english football hooligans go to germany they drink a load of beer and cause riots. When they go to amsterdam they smoke a load of spiff and they cause no trouble. There is some wisdom here, nobody battered their wife because they were high, nobody bottled a lad in a chipper because they were high, no body robs banks because they need to get high. low potency marijuana is very good for pain relief, anti-anxiety and some other conditions. I think it's legalisation is mostly a good thing.

3. What changes would you make as regards the shops that have closed? I live in cappavilla and it is extremely inconvenient to have to walk twenty minutes at night across the living bridge, not to mind extremely dangerous. The fear of being robbed raped or worse is a pertinent one at the forefront of my mind.

I take personal security very seriously, i have being studying krav maga for 15 years and know a lot about the topic. you shouldn't be going wandering aroud this campus on your own after dark, whether to buy milk or not. I think it's scandalous that the cappavilla shop couldn't make a profit, i would investigate getting an entirely private shop in to see if they run a business selling the essentials. If i am su president i will improve the accessability to workshops on self-defence and protection - how to avoid danger before it happens not ninja skills.

4. As a fourth year student knee deep in my FYP, I feel longer opening hours in the library are necessary, or perhaps a 24 hour reading room like I gather is operated in trinity. How would you orchestrate same?

Derek insists 24 hour library isn't a runner. I am inclined to agree with him but will have to do some research. As we all have rfid cards it will be easier to implement better swipe control access to rooms. I would try and get a 24 reading room in the main building (which is open 24 -7 anyway) for people to work around the clock on their laptops but i don't think i could get them access to books.

5. How much are you willing to give up for this job? What are you willing to sacrifice, given that current and previous sabbats have sacrificed secure offers of jobs and travel plans for the union.

I would probably be sacrificing my current phd if elected. I think it's important to have a healthy work-life balance and would try and manage my time appropriately as su president. I have no job offers or travel plans to sacrifice however.

have i answered your questions satisfactorily?

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 1:58am

cambridge wrote: »

no problem matey, su president needs to be able to think on his feet

have i answered your questions satisfactorily?

Yes.

you've got my vote.

Best of luck with the campaign.

Cordially,
Horsemeat.

Daniel S · 21-02-2012 1:59am

cambridge wrote: »

I was born and raised in washinton dc and am affliated to the republican party. I played a small part in george bushes last campaign. I am not really affiliated to any irish political party but would probably join sinn fein.

I'm going to stop taking digs at you, but Sinn Féin are a fairly left wing party while the Republicans are pretty right wing.

Republican (in America) =/= Republican (here)

cambridge · 21-02-2012 2:00am

Oh sorry i didn't know that. I really don't know much about local politics in ireland. My father helped Gerry Adams out with an election recently i just presumed we're on the same team.

cambridge · 21-02-2012 2:08am

The word on the street that the C&S people have their back up about derek's intrusion on their funds. it seems they will be looking to put their man on team. I think ginge may have come a year too soon, if he ran this year I'd reckon he'd walk it, not even i got stop that charisma.

Ginge Young · 21-02-2012 2:22am

cambridge wrote: »

Presidential Candidate B - Keith Young - no charm, lost

cambridge wrote: »

I think ginge may have come a year too soon, if he ran this year I'd reckon he'd walk it, not even i got stop that charisma.

Clearly I've impressed you on here or something.

horsemeat wrote: »

he's devoid of a personality.

The C & S vote didn't go very far for Keith last year and he was their prized pony. If it didn't work for the head honcho it won't work for Tony.

I believe the C&S Vote went quite far for me last year. With the new E-Voting it increased the overall number of people who were voting. The bulk of C&S Membership would not have known me and I assume when deciding to check out the vote they voted for the name they know.

I believe that is how I was beaten last year, simply the name of someone who had been in the SU for more than 2 years was more recognizable than mine.

This is nothing personal against Derek but I think my campaign team ran the better campaign considering I decided the day nominations closed to run. Derek ran a fantastic campaign and fair play to everyone out for him, all very visible, but it was very different to mine.

Could be wrong on what I have said, but all I would say, given everything that has happened this year I think the C&S Vote will count for a lot, and I believe it will be a C&S person who will win the vote this year.

Edit:

Leanne Carroll, David Hartery and Tony Canning I know them all quite well and I am sure would be very capable people for the job.

cambridge · 21-02-2012 2:25am

how do i become a c&s person ?

Ginge Young · 21-02-2012 2:33am

Oh I'll also add, given what is up for discussion at C+S Council tomorrow, I know the C+S vote is going to count for a lot.

horsemeat · 21-02-2012 2:33am

whats up for discussion?

Ginge Young · 21-02-2012 2:35am

The SU will most likely be formally requesting C&S Societies to lower the amount of capitation they receive. Whether council will agree or not I don't know, I'll be making my opinion known tomorrow evening anyway.

cambridge · 21-02-2012 2:36am

Ginge Young wrote: »

Oh I'll also add, given what is up for discussion at C+S Council tomorrow, I know the C+S vote is going to count for a lot.

you'd swear to god you were working in the pentagon. the biggest criticism thus far of the su and c&s is lack of transparency. why are you always trying to hide what's been talking about. would you not just say rather this cloak and dagger bull****. that trojan horse was a **** gimmick but i coming around to think you're some kind of walter mitty character.

Ginge Young · 21-02-2012 2:39am

cambridge wrote: »

you'd swear to god you were working in the pentagon. the biggest criticism thus far of the su and c&s is lack of transparency. why are you always trying to hide what's been talking about. would you not just say rather this cloak and dagger bull****. that trojan horse was a **** gimmick but i coming around to think you're some kind of walter mitty character.

There has been no transparanecy issues with C&S. The council agenda is never really hidden, is sent to all committee members of all c+s and it's not confidential, so anyone can request it or ask there committees to send it on.

Most people are not interested, so it's not sent out to everyone, I think there are moves to include them all on the website.

Edit: I do apologize if my original statement made it seem like we are all "cloaks and daggers".

deise go deo · 21-02-2012 2:55am

cambridge wrote: »

Oh sorry i didn't know that. I really don't know much about local politics in ireland. My father helped Gerry Adams out with an election recently i just presumed we're on the same team.

Sinn Fein are a left wing party, and thats by European standards. In the US they would be seen as Communists.
Very much not the same team as the Republicen Party in the US.

Mikel91 · 21-02-2012 4:34am

deise go deo wrote: »

Sinn Fein are a left wing party, and thats by European standards. In the US they would be seen as Communists.
Very much not the same team as the Republicen Party in the US.

SF republican is very different from what Irish Republicanism truly is.

I heard Dave Ryan is running

wnolan1992 · 21-02-2012 10:55am

cambridge wrote: »

Derek insists 24 hour library isn't a runner. I am inclined to agree with him but will have to do some research. As we all have rfid cards it will be easier to implement better swipe control access to rooms. I would try and get a 24 reading room in the main building (which is open 24 -7 anyway) for people to work around the clock on their laptops but i don't think i could get them access to books.

I believe that with cutbacks, 24 hour library access would be a no go. And I would advise against campaigning under the pretense that you could provide it.
I would agree with you on the main building though. Frankly it's a little baffling that they don't have a tutorial room with swipe access 24/7, given that security are already working those hours, so would be practically no cost to implement. I think anyone that could get a place to work 24/7 which is a little more conducive to work than Red Raisins would certainly gain a lot of votes.

cambridge wrote: »

you'd swear to god you were working in the pentagon. the biggest criticism thus far of the su and c&s is lack of transparency. why are you always trying to hide what's been talking about. would you not just say rather this cloak and dagger bull****. that trojan horse was a **** gimmick but i coming around to think you're some kind of walter mitty character.

What's your name again? :pac:

I reckon if both Paddy and Kelly ran it could be a very closely run election. Paddy has the personality, and Kelly has the track record in office (leaving aside the childish Facebook spats, etc).

SarahBeep! · 21-02-2012 11:50am

Daniel S wrote: »

cambridge wrote: »

dropped out of his first degree? Is that the type of person you want to see elected? someone that can't follow through on the convictions? someone who can't even pass a degree. maybe he should have spent less time being a clubs and socs hack and more time studying.

Do you really think he dropped out? That he couldn't handle it? Engineering is a harder course you clown.

He HAS a degree. If cambridge had bothered to read my first post he/she would know that.

CiaranMT · 21-02-2012 12:39pm

cambridge wrote: »

Oh sorry i didn't know that. I really don't know much about local politics in ireland

Clearly. And yet you say you're running for a political position? :pac:

CiaranMT · 21-02-2012 12:55pm

horsemeat wrote: »

3. What changes would you make as regards the shops that have closed? I live in cappavilla and it is extremely inconvenient to have to walk twenty minutes at night across the living bridge, not to mind extremely dangerous. The fear of being robbed raped or worse is a pertinent one at the forefront of my mind.

For one, why would you be walking across the bridge at night to a shop? The SU shop only stays open until 9, Spar by the Castletroy Park til 10, and then you'd be talking about walking down to the Groody Roundabout to the 24h places, which would take almost half an hour to get to.

Even if you were out at night looking for a shop, Cappa was only ever open til 8pm.

Also, have you ever heard of a case of robbery/rape/assault on that bridge?

4. As a fourth year student knee deep in my FYP, I feel longer opening hours in the library are necessary, or perhaps a 24 hour reading room like I gather is operated in trinity. How would you orchestrate same?

There are a number of 24h rooms in the main building. I would like to see 24h access to the library though. You'd need to have more reliable book scanners though. The number of times they break down is ridiculous :pac:

Jester252 · 21-02-2012 1:40pm

Reading this thread

canned_ulkc · 21-02-2012 2:25pm

After quite a bit of an old knock to the head at the weekend there I had to read a few of the posts in this thread a few times.
There are several people along the thread who deserve some defence.

I hope they take comfort in the fact that they have been quite misrepresented by opinions of people who are obviously trolling for fun or trolling in order to pre-scupper the plans of possible candidates.

Personal insults aren't fun and aren't required and when I started this thread I certainly didn't intend for the tirade of what can only be called manure which has been thrown. (Actually, let's be honest - personal insults can be fun - but they've definitely been a bit much in this thread)

horsemeat wrote: »

those lot are nothing players, they wouldn't be able to step up to the big leagues I don't think. Canning doesn't have the charisma or charm for an election campaign.

I have to address this specifically.... Who are you horsemeat? I'd like to know because I am Tony Canning and I think I'm great craic! Certainly I have enough people in my life who display respect for me and whom I respect in return; I don't need the approval of everyone I've ever talked to and feel that there is an amount of integrity about that for which I am proud.

In saying that, I won't pretend that saying such a thing doesn't effect me - I'm just wondering why it is you feel the need to attack a few people here? Fair enough if that's your opinion but it's neither honourable nor true to express a subjective opinion so publicly.

Now - as for rumours of me seeking nomination. I'll neither confirm nor deny. Why? Because it's sometimes fun to watch the trolls speculate. I am puzzled however at why it is my name is now linked to ULSU Presidency while I'd be far far more interested in Education Officer (if I were to go for anything) considering I have come through an education course, feel passionately about the value of education and see education as a means to empower people rather than as products strictly output as human capital.

In terms of being a "nothing player" I would argue that I have a lot to offer the SU.
I regard myself as being straight up with people. I have a lot of experience in hi-tech industry and in being a union rep in industry.
I put massive value into education and the different things it means to different people.
I feel I rarely make a judgement without making an effort to see the full picture. And while I would blame nobody for not being physically attracted to me I recokn I have a decent sense of humour which may need a bit of toning down for any potential election campaign.
I have been involved in campaigns before, been captain of the kayak club and maybe I could campaign with my dog Max - if you don't think I'm charming, you should meet him. He's a sap and a better companion than most people!
While I am often confident of being right I have been known to admit that I can be wrong. I think transparency is the only way forward. I think several lecturers could take a kick in the arse; however my experience of lecturers has, on the whole, been extremely positive.
I have seen a lot of changes in ULSU over the time I've been around and would have clear ideas on what the role of Education Officer certainly should include.

But all that gets away from the OP - I'd far rather hear about the rumours rather than anyone's campaign manifesto and insults.

Tony

(P.S. to anyone who is aware of the charisma and charm displayed at the weekend I'd like to say "NO RESPONSIBILITY")

sceptre · 21-02-2012 2:40pm

As per usual, towards election time, when some people tend to go all monkey-like and start throwing lumps of poo at walls, I encourage you all to make your posts worthwhile, with a point and preferably with reasonable politeness.

In the absence of those things, those of you who can't do that (happily there are people who can) are wasting electrons. Please don't waste electrons - while there are plenty of them, their quantity is finite. Post with a point or don't bother.

/mod

wnolan1992 · 21-02-2012 3:26pm

CiaranMT wrote: »

Clearly. And yet you say you're running for a political position? :pac:

To be fair, not having an affiliation with a political party, or being ignorant of Irish politics is irrelevant. The SU President represents us, the students of UL, not a political party. At least it'd cut out the pointless posts like we've seen all year going "Yeah well Derek's a FFer, *rabble rabble rabble*"

The only point where cambridge should/would have a problem would be in his future plans for being Taoiseach and Grand World Ruler.

Rumours of Sabbats for next year....

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