Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

JCX BXC · 08-12-2016 1:18am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They will respond but if losses mount they will leave. Do think they could be alright for a time.

Suppose the question is whether the Norwegian services will last. Shannon will benefit from a large inbound tourism market, but just how many people with NYC or Boston as their origin/destination will be willing to travel over an hour to get to the airport on the US side.

Jamie2k9 · 08-12-2016 1:27am

JCX BXC wrote: »

Suppose the question is whether the Norwegian services will last. Shannon will benefit from a large inbound tourism market, but just how many people with NYC or Boston as their origin/destination will be willing to travel over an hour to get to the airport on the US side.

Last or even start!

JCX BXC · 08-12-2016 1:33am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Last or even start!

Story changes so much you'd never know!
Reading PPRuNe it seems pretty certain but with how the whole Norwegian saga has gone so far it can't be believed until the first flight takes off!

Gigibrodbrod · 08-12-2016 4:42pm

Does anyone know if there's a petition started to get more flights from Shannon to EU (France, Belgium, Germany Switzerland for example).
I live in Brussels at the moment but am originally from Shannon and find it such a pity to go through (packed) dublin airport every time I want to go home. I know that a lot of international friends here would also be interested in flying directly to the west of Ireland but of course, no direct flights are available.
I've tried emailing Shannon Airport, Tourism Ireland and TDs involved in the Limerick 2030 intiative (Patrick O Donovan) to see if there's any inititive there to get more flights into Shannon but so far, no replies. Very frustrating that Shannon airport isn't fulfilling its potential. If anyone has any info please let me know, thanks.

JCX BXC · 08-12-2016 5:16pm

Why do you think Shannon has the market for a route to Brussels? Shannon couldn't keep Nice, Poitiers, Paris, Memmingen and several other routes historically.

Cork had a route to Brussels again which it could not keep.

IIRC Shannon once had a route to Charleroi, which didn't do very well.

highlydebased · 08-12-2016 5:57pm

JCX BXC wrote:

Why do you think Shannon has the market for a route to Brussels? Shannon couldn't keep Nice, Poitiers, Paris, Memmingen and several other routes historically.

Well it now has Frankfurt and Stockholm on the roster....

Failed routes quoted are more to do with Ryanair tactics rather than the route not performing

JCX BXC · 08-12-2016 6:05pm

highlydebased wrote: »

Well it now has Frankfurt and Stockholm on the roster....

Failed routes quoted are more to do with Ryanair tactics rather than the route not performing

I'd agree with the Ryanair tactics (such as what looks like an attempt to kill Berlin and Krakow now), but considering Aer Lingus couldn't maintain Brussels from Cork is another point against the Brussels route.

Jamie2k9 · 11-12-2016 2:40pm

Are Kuwait using USPC?

JCX BXC · 11-12-2016 2:42pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Are Kuwait using USPC?

Nope, just Security screening.

Going daily from next Sunday.

Brennans Row · 12-12-2016 8:41pm

Shannon - Commercial Movements (IAA)

|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sept|Oct|Nov|Dec|Total
2015|1,253|1,026|1,277|1,454|1,725|2,169|2,058|1,728|1,780|1,645|1,283|1,312|18,710
2016|1,222|1,128|1,390|1,488|1,807|2,031|2,032|1,834|1,839|1,698|1,353||
Change|-2.5%|+9.9%|+8.8%|+2.3%|+4.8%|-6.4%|-1.3%|+6.1%|+3.3%|+3.2%|+5.5%||

Brennans Row · 12-12-2016 9:14pm

Huge welcome for Paul O'Connell fronted €10m rugby experience (Limerick Leader) :cool:

A planned new ‘rugby experience’ in Limerick fronted by Paul O’Connell and backed by a €10m investment by JP McManus has been broadly welcomed in all quarters.

The digital interactive visitor centre dedicated to rugby is set to open in September 2019, with a 30,000 square foot exhibition space located on the city’s main thoroughfare.

JCX BXC · 13-12-2016 3:02pm

Rumours Ethiopian will be changing their DUB stop to Shannon on the Washington service.

Ennisman · 13-12-2016 3:26pm

Nope. Just for one day. Christmas Eve I believe.

Shannon757 · 13-12-2016 3:28pm

Because Dublin will be closed?

Ennisman · 13-12-2016 3:35pm

As far as I know Dublin closes for a time on Christmas Day.... Open to correction.

Flight is late night from Addis Ababa on Christmas Eve so due in Shannon around 4.00am.

Jamie2k9 · 13-12-2016 5:01pm

Yeah DUB sort of closes, is open but not to scheduled flights.

JCX BXC · 13-12-2016 5:23pm

Ennisman wrote: »

Nope. Just for one day. Christmas Eve I believe.

That must have been what was meant so!

So that's both Kuwait and Ethiopian in on Christmas day?

highlydebased · 14-12-2016 11:24am

Years ago Centralwings had scheduled service on Xmas day

I believe Ethiopian are interested moving the tech stops full time but there are issues. Such a stop far more suited to SNN than Dublin if you ask me

Jamie2k9 · 14-12-2016 1:47pm

highlydebased wrote: »

Years ago Centralwings had scheduled service on Xmas day

I believe Ethiopian are interested moving the tech stops full time but there are issues. Such a stop far more suited to SNN than Dublin if you ask me

What sort of problems?

highlydebased · 14-12-2016 2:42pm

Jamie2k9 wrote:

What sort of problems?

Dublin would rather they stayed....

Jamie2k9 · 14-12-2016 4:16pm

highlydebased wrote: »

Dublin would rather they stayed....

So not really issue then, just SNN not able to clinch a deal at the minute

Brennans Row · 15-12-2016 7:29pm

The CSO statistics for September are out.

Jamie2k9 · 16-12-2016 2:23pm

First warning shot??

Speaking at Cork Airport on plans to grow services out of the region, Mike Rutter said he didn’t think Norwegian Air International would have an impact on Dublin once it began flights next year to the US from Cork next year.

He did concede that Shannon’s position as a carrier for Aer Lingus passengers to Boston and New York could be affected by Cork transatlantic flights, along with London’s Heathrow and Gatwick airports.

He said: “We don’t see that Norwegian will have any effect upon Dublin in a transatlantic fashion. Any marginal loss of traffic — and I mean marginal — we can more than fill. We have more demand than supply at the moment sometimes. We’re quite comfortable that when they start, it won’t affect Dublin.”

He added: “It may have an effect upon Shannon, where historically Aer Lingus has been committed to serving Boston and New York. We obviously will do our best to make sure that effect is as minimal as possible.”

Aer Lingus has no plans to introduce its own transatlantic flights from Cork Airport, he said, but that may change in 2020 with the airline eyeing the A321neo aircraft — a smaller version of the A320 Airbus that is suitable for transatlantic travel.

“Beyond 2020, we are very interested in the A321neo long-range, which will potentially open up shorter sectors with lower density marketplaces. When we get to that stage, we’ll have a look again at the opportunities that may come around for us.”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/cork-us-routes-may-hurt-shannon-aer-lingus-435571.html

JCX BXC · 16-12-2016 5:41pm

With the flights destined for airport's outside JFK/EWR/BOS, I can't see much of an effect.

I also can't imagine how the services would affect Shannon but not Dublin.

It seems like Aer Lingus may be starting the justification of actions to come.

Jamie2k9 · 16-12-2016 5:46pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

With the flights destined for airport's outside JFK/EWR/BOS, I can't see much of an effect.

I also can't imagine how the services would affect Shannon but not Dublin.

It seems like Aer Lingus may be starting the justification of actions to come.

Yield more than passengers. At DUB they have the hub to offset numbers.

It could just be a warning to SNN management about dealings with DY more than anything.

JCX BXC · 16-12-2016 5:49pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Yield more than passengers. At DUB they have the hub to offset numbers.

It could just be a warning to SNN management about dealings with DY more than anything.

Hopefully, I always thought it was rather short sighted that had made announcements about having a deal with Norwegian, let alone actually having a deal done in the first place.

Brennans Row · 16-12-2016 8:15pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

First warning shot??

Cork-US routes may hurt Shannon: Aer Lingus (Cork Examiner)

It would be a shame for Aer Lingus if they can’t compete against Norwegian when they operate from Cork.

I really don’t see Norwegian flying from Shannon in the near future as they don’t have enough aircraft to do so.

Shannon’s best bet is to get more Aer Lingus Regional routes from the UK in order to feed their Boston and JFK flights.

If Aer Lingus fails here, it will definitely have a negative knock effect on the future of the US Preclearance facilities at Shannon.

If that goes, I can’t see Delta, United and American continue to operate at Shannon either.

It would also undermine the transatlantic private aircraft sector (corporate jets) too.

The only winners will be the DAA.

Brennans Row · 16-12-2016 8:24pm

Jet returned to Shannon after pilot felt ‘bump’ (Clare Herald)

A US-bound jet was forced to return to Shannon Airport last night after the crew reported hearing a ‘bump’ on departure.

Flight LL-289, operated by charter airline Miami Air International, departed at 6.06pm and immediately after take-off the crew reported an issue to controllers.

The pilot confirmed that he heard a bump but there was no emergency and the return was just “precautionary”.

The flight is understood to have originated in the Middle East and arrived in Shannon via an airport in Greece. After leaving Shannon, the crew flew to Gander in Newfoundland before continuing to Portsmouth in New Hampshire which operates as a civilian and military airport.

The airline is a regular visitor to Shannon usually transporting military personnel on behalf of the US military.

JCX BXC · 16-12-2016 8:33pm

Brennans Row wrote: »

It would be a shame for Aer Lingus if they can’t compete against Norwegian when they operate from Cork.

I really don’t see Norwegian flying from Shannon in the near future as they don’t have enough aircraft to do so.

They have plenty of 737's, the aircraft being used will not be 787's. If these routes do actually start I can see a based aircraft in both T.F Green and Stewart with the flights being split between ORK/SNN, that is of course, assuming this wasn't a big hypothetical by Norwegian.

Shannon’s best bet is to get more Aer Lingus Regional routes from the UK in order to feed their Boston and JFK flights.

Agreed, but this is hard to do, you won't get Stobart to switch DUB aircraft to feed SNN at peak transfer times, it wouldn't be wise to do so, so you have to persuade them to operate a Cork aircraft on a route from SNN at a time suitable for transfers. This happens already with EDI, but the two other flights that take the early morning slot are MAN and BHX, which are the two biggest Stobart routes from Cork, so unless they move BHX to an earlier time I don't see it being possible to feed flights anymore than they currently do.

If Aer Lingus fails here, it will definitely have a negative knock effect on the future of the US Preclearance facilities at Shannon.

Will it? If Aer Lingus drop out, I can see the services being mostly picked up by other carriers, delta may even start Boston! (As they are doing in Dublin this year) The reduction in services would be noticeable but not detrimental in my opinion. Keep in mind that in 2010 there was only 2 daily US flights in the peak summer! That compares to 6 daily in the peak summer now!

The only winners will be the DAA.

I don't think the DAA can be blamed for this one, they didn't negotiate a deal with Norwegian on behalf of Shannon.

Brennans Row · 16-12-2016 8:57pm

€1 million euro facelift unveiled at Bunratty Castle and Folk Park (Galway Advertiser)

Shannon unveils crafty tourist gem (The Sunday Times)

Doonbeg resort set for ‘banner’ 2017 says Donald Trump’s son (Cork Examiner)

JCX BXC · 16-12-2016 9:03pm

Also interesting to note Shannon Christmas Passengers up 5%

Jamie2k9 · 17-12-2016 12:14am

Brennans Row wrote: »

It would be a shame for Aer Lingus if they can’t compete against Norwegian when they operate from Cork.

I really don’t see Norwegian flying from Shannon in the near future as they don’t have enough aircraft to do so.

Shannon’s best bet is to get more Aer Lingus Regional routes from the UK in order to feed their Boston and JFK flights.

If Aer Lingus fails here, it will definitely have a negative knock effect on the future of the US Preclearance facilities at Shannon.

If that goes, I can’t see Delta, United and American continue to operate at Shannon either.

It would also undermine the transatlantic private aircraft sector (corporate jets) too.

The only winners will be the DAA.

It will be difficult for them against such cheap fares. Of all the carriers EI at SNN, have the best cost base.

IMO if things get bad with DY serving ORK and SNN (x2 routes each) then EI JFK will surly be top of the list to go, aa PHL below and the rest should in theory be ok but nobody knows.

Cheap fuel is also coming to an end which will make things difficult for DY and lesser so EI.

Many US airlines are in contraction mode on T/A, UA have scrapped a few routes recently (one against DY), AA have cut one or two as well, DL have transferred some to VS (lower cost)

TBH probally be 2018 or even 2019 before anything happens.

JCX BXC · 18-12-2016 12:29pm

https://www.businesspost.ie/business/shannon-faces-sharp-fall-passenger-numbers-ryanair-reduces-flights-373887

Subscription article, but you can read the first paragraph. Apparently Shannon is facing a sharp decrease in not only European traffic, but also Transatlantic traffic?

I find this rather peculiar, as there is infact an increase in Transatlantic traffic (longer Delta operating season, and it's likely passenger numbers will grow on existing routes with the good dollar-euro exchange rate)

And the drop in European is minimal, Beauvais and Memmingen are gone, but Frankfurt and Stockholm are new.

Anyone have a subscription and be willing to tell me if the rest of the article is as ridiculous as the start of it?

Brennans Row · 18-12-2016 12:50pm

I would like to see The Business Post article too.

Shannon Chamber gives a potentially different picture of Shannon’s transatlantic routes next year.

Shannon region must support Transatlantic routes (Clare Herald)

Shannon Chamber is calling on the people of the Shannon region to support existing and new flights as the Airport’s-US capacity grows.

“The fact that two airlines – Aer Lingus and Norwegian – will potentially be operating a service between Shannon and Boston in 2017 is very positive. The availability of choice on any destination from Shannon is a welcome development. The airport and the region are in expansionary mode so the arrival of new airline liveries on Shannon’s runways is most welcome; they extend Shannon’s, the West of Ireland’s and Ireland’s total reach.

JCX BXC · 18-12-2016 12:54pm

Brennans Row wrote: »

I would like to see The Business Post article too.

Shannon Chamber gives a potentially different picture of Shannon’s transatlantic routes next year.

I'm just confused as to how so many figures are giving their support to such an operation! Even after a clear warning from Aer Lingus warning of the possible consequences. Competition can be good but not when it sacrifices more important services.

What the article also doesn't take into account is how the airport chosen is likely not going to be Boston, but infact T.F Green.

Jamie2k9 · 18-12-2016 1:05pm

I agree a bit of a strange article.

Good to see SNN chamber urging support for current services.

lockman · 18-12-2016 8:52pm

I don't have an online subscription but did buy the paper today.

The thrust of the article is as follows:

Overall, capacity for 2017 down 6% year on year. Airlines serving the airport will have capacity for 85,000 fewer passengers than 2016.

-Ryanair to cut 100,000 seats, mainly through a reduction of SNN-Stansted from 16 flights per week to 12. Also Beauvais and Memmingen are gone.

- Aer Lingus to grow its capacity by 2% (=10,000 seats) on short haul services. SNN-BOS will be done with a smaller 757 compared to 767 used during 2016 summer.

- UA and Delta will see capacity fall slightly, although SAS and Lufthansa services will add 12,000 seats.

They cite some "industry data" seen by the paper as sources for the above.

JCX BXC · 18-12-2016 9:04pm

Thanks for that, there's a few small inaccuracies in that though.

*Shannon-Manchester with Ryanair also down from 5pw to 4pw.

*I don't see how UA and DL are down any capacity, UA has the exact same schedule as last year and DL infact seem to be using a 767 throughout October, which would represent a few thousand extra seats. (Liable to change though)

*The 767 operation has never been confirmed until January anyway, hopefully their industry sources is not just the Aer Lingus website.

Jamie2k9 · 19-12-2016 12:22am

I will be genuinely surprised if they don't operate it, as dropping the JFK ex DUB will just push some transit from UK away as EI won't compete enough on pricing ex DUB.

Will see if my source can confirm whats happening.

Brennans Row · 19-12-2016 8:55pm

Two Ryanair flights diverted to Shannon today due to holding delays in Dublin.

Flight FR7073 from Porto to Dublin
Flight FR9431 from Rome to Dublin

Jamie2k9 · 19-12-2016 10:23pm

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/228248/ryanair-confirms-reduction-in-services-from-shannon-airport.html

JCX BXC · 19-12-2016 10:44pm

So basically a repeat of the Sunday business post article?

Also, I find it pecuilar that the airport mentions both Kuwait and Norwegian as new airlines for the airport, Kuwait airlines are just transit and Norwegian haven't even announced anything!

Jamie2k9 · 19-12-2016 11:49pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

So basically a repeat of the Sunday business post article?

Also, I find it pecuilar that the airport mentions both Kuwait and Norwegian as new airlines for the airport, Kuwait airlines are just transit and Norwegian haven't even announced anything!

Makes me wonder if the DY comments in Cork last week and no B762 on BOS showing caused 2+2=5....

highlydebased · 20-12-2016 8:32pm

SHANNON AIRPORT MANAGMENT CONFIDENT OF INCREASED GROWTH IN 2017
20 December, 2016 - 08:18 General
Management at Shannon Airport says they're confident of increased performance in 2017.
It comes as Ryanair is to reduce a number of services for the coming year.
Ryanair has this week reiterated that services to Paris Beauvais and Memmingen will cease next summer, while capacity on it's London Stansted and Manchester services has been reduced post-Brexit.
It also come after a report in the Sunday Business Post cited industry figures for its claims that the Airport would face a "substantial drop" in traffic next summer.
However, despite these concerns, a Shannon spokesperson has now moved to allay concerns.
The airport says it's continuing to work with all airline partners to maximise potential for Shannon and that it remains a work in progress.
Four new airlines have been announced for the Mid-West Airport in recent months including Kuwait, SAS, Lufthansa and Norwegian - the first time in over ten years that number of announcements have been made over a twelve month period.
The Airport has seen it's forth successive year of growth and says it's looking forward to building on this in the new year.

http://www.clare.fm/news/shannon-airport-managment-confident-increased-growth-2017

Jamie2k9 · 21-12-2016 9:41pm

October -3.1%
November +3.0%

First 11 months 1,636,579 which is + 27,502 passengers or around 1.7% growth if my maths are correct.

Brennans Row · 23-12-2016 6:37pm

Six diversions to Shannon today

Lufthansa flight LH978 from Frankfurt to Dublin
Ryanair flight FR9429 from Milan to Dublin
Ryanair flight FR1453 from Brussels to Dublin
Aer Lingus flight EI3721 from Manchester to Cork
Ryanair flight FR113 from Gatwick to Dublin
Ryanair flight FR23 from Paris to Dublin

Brennans Row · 23-12-2016 7:03pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

October -3.1%
November +3.0%

First 11 months 1,636,579 which is + 27,502 passengers or around 1.7% growth if my maths are correct.

A drop of -4,760 passengers for October and
a gain of +3,198 passengers in November.

I suppose the cancelation of many flights in October by Aer Lingus in order to cover other Dublin routes had some bearings on the fall in passengers.

Brennans Row · 23-12-2016 7:47pm

The UK Airport Provisional Statistics for October.

A drop of -2.1% or -1,420 passengers.

Brennans Row · 25-12-2016 1:22am

Tragedy as girl (10) dies on flight diverted to Shannon (Independent)

The child was travelling on board Air Canada flight AC-868 from Toronto in Canada to London Heathrow at the time.

The Boeing 787-800 jet was west of Mayo when the crew advised air traffic controllers that they needed to divert and land as soon as possible. The crew opted to route to Shannon requesting that emergency medical services be standing by for their arrival.

The child was rushed to University Hospital Limerick but was pronounced dead a short time later.

The saddest outcome possible.

Lady Chatterton · 25-12-2016 2:17am

I've a child of the same age. God help the child's parents and family, it's desperately sad news

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