Another black teenager shot by police in St Louis

irish coldplayer · 24-12-2014 11:52am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

"That fear is gone. Now that fear is in us."
You didn't read it at all, did you?

You didn't read it at, all did YOU?

Hes not talking about law abiding citizens of whatever race or creed walking down the street, he is quite obviously talking about hardened criminals.

"Every single day at work I encounter real bad guys. And guess what? They know they’ve won. They know we are hesitant. That fear is gone."

You quite obviously know this but it doesn't fit your narrative so you apply it to the population in general as a testament to the evilness of all law enforcement.
You don't have to agree with the sentiments expressed but at least don't quote them disingenuously.

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 11:53am

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

Here's a letter written by a serving NYPD officer yesterday to one of the media outlets in NY.
I can't post the full page as I haven't got enough posts yet, or something.

Reading it, you'd wonder why these lads bother.

"When I was a kid I’d see my dad come home with his gun and shield, and I was beyond intrigued. He was not only my hero, but the city’s. I couldn’t wait to grow up and be a cop. Just like my dad and my older brother. I didn’t know what the pay or the benefits were, I just wanted to help people. Fast forward 20+ years and here I am. Except I’m no ones hero, actually I’m the enemy.

It wasn’t until I graduated the academy and went out on the street I realized, wow, where the **** am I? Dead bodies, homicides, drugs, guns. At first it was fun. A cat and mouse game. I get the bad guy off the street and it saves the city. As the years progressed and the neighborhoods I worked in got worse, slowly that bad guy I hunted transitioned. He was no longer a guy with a gun in his baggy pants, he was me. I was hated. By every single person I encountered. No matter what I did.

There were days I’d get my ass kicked. Days I’d get murderers and rapists off the street. It didn’t matter. I was a white Irish cop, the devil. It didn’t matter I tried in vain to give CPR to a dying baby, I was still the enemy a minute later. But at the end of the day the bad guys still feared us and that’s all that mattered.

Fast forward to the liberal anti-cop movement. City councils, CCRB, Al Sharp ton. Nobody gave a **** that every night I saw a different black man take a bullet, they just cared that it was not mine. Now I get in trouble for cursing. What? If your wrestling with a mope with a gun are you gonna curse? Are you gonna fight back? Of course cause I’m human. Suddenly though, I can’t even be human. Those rights that are demanded by these protesters, well they’re everyone’s but mine.

I swore I’d never become that cop. That old, angry, numb socially uncouth cop. Well now I make that cop look like mother Theresa. Theres only so much a person can take before they shut down. No one calls 911 for good things. It’s a daily roller coaster of bad to horrific and it never gets better.

You take this job and you know there’s a chance you can die, obviously. But you think of it as, “OK , I’m in this gun battle with a bank robber and I die in glory.” You don’t sign up for “I’m gonna be sitting in my patrol car eating lunch and get executed from behind.” Give me a chance. A chance to fight back you ****in coward. They never had a chance. And it eats me up inside.

I’m sick over it. I didn’t know them but I know them. They’re me. I’m them. I play it over and over again in my head and it makes me sick. Yeah that heartless animal murdered them, but he didn’t act alone. The city of New York run by its disgrace of a Mayor, di Blasio murdered them too. Here’s a man who stands in front of his city and tells them he’s afraid his son will get killed by a cop, all the while he has cops guarding his son 24/7. He enticed a race war. He allows a city to protest for a criminal and chant they want dead cops. Well they got what they wanted didn’t they? Right before Christmas, 2 funerals. A husband, a father, a son.

Every single day at work I encounter real bad guys. And guess what? They know they’ve won. They know we are hesitant. That fear is gone. Now that fear is in us. I have two little kids at home. I’m gonna leave them parentless for what? A city that hates me? Condemns me? Leave my spouse a single parent for a city that spits on me? It’s not worth it anymore.

I don’t know what’s going to happen but I do know this. You can curse us, spit on us, even fight us, but the day you kill us is the day you awake a sleeping giant. We were executed. We won’t be executed again. We are in hell right now, but if you think we are gonna sit back and get murdered you’re wrong. Their blood is on di Blasios hands. He has single handily divided the city. Not just black and white but black and blue. He stands next to Sharp ton, a man who has professed his anti-white anti-Semitic rants for decades. It’s egregious. Despicable. It’s almost like I’m in a different world. When the **** did I become the bad guy? When the **** did they let bad guys run the city?

So I never got to become that hero like my dad. But I got to share the same uniform as 2 of them-Ramos and Liu. Remember their names. They were murdered by the city of New York. The great city that I swore to protect, that never protected us back. Their execution will live heavy in my heart forever. I’ve officially lost my faith in mankind. But I haven’t yet lost my faith in God. And as I get dressed every day and put my vest on, I say a prayer to God, “Lead us to a place, guide us with your grace, to a place where we’ll be safe.” I don’t need to be a hero anymore, I just want to go home."

That's some of the worst, made up crap I have read in a long time....replete with the "CPR to a dying baby" rubbish to tug at the heart strings. Who makes up this drivel and expects the public to swallow it? It's almost as bad as that campaign to make George W. Bush look less thick than he was by pretending he was having a book reading contest with Karl Rove and even stating that Bush, the certifiable village idiot, was ahead in the contest.

Bacchus · 24-12-2014 11:54am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Nope, that is very obviously him demanding to be feared. Why else would he be complaining about it? He says cops used to be feared and bemoans that now they are not.
Unless you want to throw out the English dictionary and decide all these words have new meanings of course.

I posted this already but for your convenience...

Bacchus wrote:

Those are the words of one officer and nowhere does he demand to be feared. He uses the word "fear" to describe how the tide has shifted from criminals fearing the law to the law fearing the criminals.

I do not see it as a demand at all, particularly when you take it in the context of his entire letter. Cops need to be feared by criminals. He is pointing out that it has flipped and now cops fear their lives more than ever.

There is a greater problem that the general public now fear the cops too but I do not think at all that he wants the public to fear cops. He describes his idea of a cop a "hero" for the city. What hero wants to be feared by the people he protects?

Agricola · 24-12-2014 11:57am

Seems to me theres two options. Either impose strict gun laws with the aim of severely limiting civilian access to them, or leave the law as it it and let police continue to do what they have to do, i.e. shoot people who brandish weapons in public.

mrcheez · 24-12-2014 11:58am

fryup wrote: »

all americans are over weight

OT it's not "all" but a "2/3 majority". I've often wondered why this is, as we have lots of fast-food chains here but nowhere near the ratio of "fat to normals"

A lot are also quite significantly taller than the average here too.

Seems antibiotics/hormones in the food are a likely cause

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/13/5_shocking_reasons_why_americans_are_getting_fatter_partner/

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/is-fat-the-new-normal

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 11:59am

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

When they tell you do something you do it. Not every police officer in the US is a Clancy Wiggum type backed up with Lou and Eddie.

Actually a police officer doesn't have the right to tell somebody to DO anything. You've obviously become a victim of authoritarianism yourself. How's that "free-est country in the world" workin' out for ya?

Dan_Solo · 24-12-2014 12:01pm

irish coldplayer wrote: »

You didn't read it at, all did YOU?

Hes not talking about law abiding citizens of whatever race or creed walking down the street, he is quite obviously talking about hardened criminals.

"Every single day at work I encounter real bad guys. And guess what? They know they’ve won. They know we are hesitant. That fear is gone."

You quite obviously know this but it doesn't fit your narrative so you apply it to the population in general as a testament to the evilness of all law enforcement.
You don't have to agree with the sentiments expressed but at least don't quote them disingenuously.

All those things you describe as "obvious" aren't even mentioned in the text. Obvious to those determined to blindly agree regardless of what was actually said perhaps?

Bacchus · 24-12-2014 12:01pm

Agricola wrote: »

Seems to me theres two options. Either impose strict gun laws with the aim of severely limiting civilian access to them, or leave the law as it it and let police continue to do what they have to do, i.e. shoot people who brandish weapons in public.

or reform the police force to better tackle the problems (& criminals) they are facing.

I saw some mention of a camera on every officer (by their badge I think) so that there is full accountability for their actions. Sounded like a good place to start.

Bacchus · 24-12-2014 12:03pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

All those things you describe as "obvious" aren't even mentioned in the text. Obvious to those determined to blindly agree regardless of what was actually said perhaps?

"Every single day at work I encounter real bad guys. And guess what? They know they’ve won. They know we are hesitant. That fear is gone."

Is the officer...
A) referring to the general public in this sentence?
or

referring to criminals?

Take the blinkers off.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-12-2014 12:03pm

Egginacup wrote: »

That's some of the worst, made up crap I have read in a long time....replete with the "CPR to a dying baby" rubbish to tug at the heart strings. Who makes up this drivel and expects the public to swallow it? .

substantiate please, other than by bias.

crockholm · 24-12-2014 12:05pm

Egginacup wrote: »

Just think about that. The guy allegedly points a gun at a cop. So this guy is pointing a gun at a cop and the cop then pulls out his gun and fires several shots at the guy. Was the guy in a trance or was the cop some kind of "Sundance Kid quickdraw"?
The victim didn't get a single shot off between the time he was "pointing his weapon" at the cop until the cop reached, drew, undid the safety, aimed and fired multiple shots?

(I await the analysis of the gun nuts on here who will brag about how they can draw, aim, discharge a few rounds from their glocks into a paper target or beer can or some such sh1t in a matter of seconds)

If you wish to see how it is indeed quite possible, google "deonta mackay robbery footage"-it arose out of an incident earlier this year when an off-duty cop was buying petrol at a pump when 16 yo deonta and 2 accomplices attempt to rob him at gunpoint in the Pullman area of Chicago.

Dan_Solo · 24-12-2014 12:07pm

Bacchus wrote: »

or reform the police force to better tackle the problems (& criminals) they are facing.

I saw some mention of a camera on every officer (by their badge I think) so that there is full accountability for their actions. Sounded like a good place to start.

They seem to keep breaking or running out of batteries whenever a kid is shot dead or a disabled man beaten to death.

Highflyer13 · 24-12-2014 12:13pm

From my viewpoint it looks like the US is on a serious downward spiral. Social and income inequality seems to be getting worse.

irish coldplayer · 24-12-2014 12:15pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

All those things you describe as "obvious" aren't even mentioned in the text. Obvious to those determined to blindly agree regardless of what was actually said perhaps?

Ah here, Where did I say I agreed with all the sentiments expressed?

You seem to have a problem with the word "obvious" and enjoy shifting of the goalposts.
I used obviously twice in the post

1. I substituted "hardened criminals" for "Bad guys" hardly an unrealistic synonym.

2. And since you have read the article yourself and then chose to cherry pick the quotes to suit your agenda while ignoring aspects of it that dont.
I and I think many other people would think that it shows an obvious bias.

Lastly why would my criticisms of your posts be contained in the text of a NYPD officers blog?

Surely you can make a better argument than that.

Dan_Solo · 24-12-2014 12:24pm

irish coldplayer wrote: »

Ah here, Where did I say I agreed with all the sentiments expressed?

You seem to have a problem with the word "obvious" and enjoy shifting of the goalposts.
I used obviously twice in the post

1. I substituted "hardened criminals" for "Bad guys" hardly an unrealistic synonym.

2. And since you have read the article yourself and then chose to cherry pick the quotes to suit your agenda while ignoring aspects of it that dont.
I and I think many other people would think that it shows an obvious bias.

Lastly why would my criticisms of your posts be contained in the text of a NYPD officers blog?

Surely you can make a better argument than that.

And you choose to ignore those bits, so pot kettle black Mr Bias.
If a NYPD tale is irrelevant, funny how you didn't jump down the throat of the guy who posted it, huh? Biased much?
"I and many other..." you mean the EMS, cop and military guys here? No bias there either, oh no!

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 12:25pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

If the guy pulled a gun on the cop, then fair enough, what else was the cop supposed to do?

This race sh1t is really bugging me. Who gives a fcuk what colour someone is, if they pull a gun on a cop then they should expect them to respond.

Is society so fcuked up that you are a racist if you shoot back at a black man because he pulled a gun on you?

The media need a kick in the hole too. They are whipping everything up, trying to aggravate every situation. It's almost as if they wanted to create a race war.

Bottom line, no matter what colour you are, pull a gun on a cop and they are going to do their very best to put you down, fast.

Bullshit! Period.

Crazed white guy at the University of Illinois waving a gun is calmed and disarmed without a shot being fired:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-police-shootings-tamir-rice-college-airsoft-perspec-1130-20141128-story.html

12 year old black Tamir Rice is riddled to death without even pointing his fake pistol at anyone.

suicide_circus · 24-12-2014 12:27pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

From my viewpoint it looks like the US is on a serious downward spiral. Social and income inequality seems to be getting worse.

they just need more guns

Grand Moff Tarkin · 24-12-2014 12:36pm

Egginacup wrote: »

And he'll get away with it too.

If this country had a police force even one tenth as good as in the USA the hacks in the red tops would have no scuts to make up tough guy names for.

darced · 24-12-2014 12:38pm

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Egginacup · 24-12-2014 12:39pm

Bacchus wrote: »

The current station that has evolved over the last year has moved beyond gun law. Gun law is obviously a huge divisive issue in America but this has become a PR war between the police that are supposed to protect and the people who are outraged over a handful of isolated incidents (with the media pouring fuel on the fire). Not that I'm trying to diminish the impact of those shootings but a police force that is taking such a hammering over every action they take is a police force that won't work. Even in reform, with such scrutiny you risk the reforming removing good with the bad.

But they AREN'T isolated incidents. A black male is killed every 28 hours by cops or vigilantes in the US.

The same shabby "couple of bad apples" argument was used to piss away the Lyndie England Abu Ghraib torture photos but it's clear to anyone with half a brain that torture was and is systemic.

Take a look at this wanker in the photo:

http://sfbayview.com/2014/12/outed-undercover-cop-pulls-gun-on-oakland-protesters/

This prick and dozens of his buddies who were in on the act tried to infiltrate peaceful protesters and even smashed windows to try and make it look like the protesters were some mob of knuckleheaded anarchists.

US troops in Iraq routinely planted AK-47s next to the corpses of civilians they killed in order to paint them as legitimate targets. US cops in their moral bankruptcy are no different. You can talk about isolated incidents all you want and wring your hands about how these thugs are "doing a tough job" as if that gives them the license to be assholes. But the facts show differently.

Bacchus · 24-12-2014 12:41pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

They seem to keep breaking or running out of batteries whenever a kid is shot dead or a disabled man beaten to death.

Has it even rolled out yet? Don't see how they are "breaking or running out of batteries" if they haven't even started using them yet. Do you have anything to back up that statement?

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 12:43pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

White policeman shoots white teenager wouldn't have quite the se ring to it.

Have the black people not realised yet that if they stop waving guns around the police will stop shooting them?

And this gem of wisdom from a moderator!

Bacchus · 24-12-2014 12:46pm

Egginacup wrote: »

But the AREN'T isolated incidents. A black male is killed every 28 hours by cops or vigilantes in the US.

The same shabby "couple of bad apples" argument was used to piss away the Lyndie England Abu Ghraib torture photos but it's clear to anyone with half a brain that torture was and is systemic.

Take a look at this wanker in the photo:

http://sfbayview.com/2014/12/outed-undercover-cop-pulls-gun-on-oakland-protesters/

This prick and dozens of his buddies who were in on the act tried to infiltrate peaceful protesters and even smashed windows to try and make it look like the protesters were some mob of knuckleheaded anarchists.

US troops in Iraq routinely planted AK-47s next to the corpses of civilians they killed in order to paint them as legitimate targets. US cops in their moral bankruptcy are no different. You can talk about isolated incidents all you want and wring your hands about how these thugs are "doing a tough job" as if that gives them the license to be assholes. But the facts show differently.

I've already said that reform is needed and I won't argue that there not more incidents, they just go less noticed. On the bit you quoted me, I said the "outrage" was over a couple of isolated incidents. The focus of the protests is very much on a few select shootings. I'm not saying or implying that there are no other incidents.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 24-12-2014 12:48pm

darced wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I hate to bust the bubble but the average American citizen is a lot sharper than the average Irish person.

Americans are correct in thinking that their nation counts on the world scale while us Irish are happy to delude ourselves that we are more that an international drinking joke.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 24-12-2014 12:49pm

Egginacup wrote: »

And this gem of wisdom from a moderator!

Sounds like someone who has lived over in America to me.

h2005 · 24-12-2014 12:53pm

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

I hate to bust the bubble but the average American citizen is a lot sharper than the average Irish person.

Americans are correct in thinking that their nation counts on the world scale while us Irish are happy to delude ourselves that we are more that an international drinking joke.

Have you anything to back up what you're saying? Having lived in the states for 5 years I can't say I noticed the average American was "sharper" than the average Irish person.

Dan_Solo · 24-12-2014 1:07pm

Egginacup wrote: »

And this gem of wisdom from a moderator!

yeah, "the blacks". If only they'd learn!
I'm not racist but... actually I am!

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 1:10pm

Bacchus wrote: »

If something more foul comes of the investigation then I'll reassess my thinking on what happened but I'm not going to get drawn in on hypotheticals. I'm sure cops are well trained to draw their guns and fire quickly. Assuming that the man did pull a gun on the cop, I don't think there is much argument saying the cop was wrong to open fire. Would we all have preferred he take a moment first and ask the man what he intended to do now that he was pointing a gun at him?

You know, the time for assessing each specific case of police violence on its own individual merits has come and gone, since even the most egregious instances of blatant abuse of power and flagrant unwarranted brutality are simply ignored, excused or casually swept under the rug.

What happened to that cunt, Tony Bologna who pepper-sprayed two defenseless girls at an Occupy protest? Nothing.
What happened to his colleague and fellow cunt, John Cardona, who just smashed a guy in the face for no reason? Nothing.

I don't know what your broken record excuse and justification for the daily if not hourly instances of police abuse and violence will be but this case will hardly be any different.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 24-12-2014 1:14pm

h2005 wrote: »

Have you anything to back up what you're saying? Having lived in the states for 5 years I can't say I noticed the average American was "sharper" than the average Irish person.

A few years living on the East Coast before we moved home. A great place in so many respect with intelligent hard working people who do not suffer fools gladly. But the gun laws and racial undertones were enough to make us come home when the first was born.

pmasterson95 · 24-12-2014 1:15pm

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

I hate to bust the bubble but the average American citizen is a lot sharper than the average Irish person.

Americans are correct in thinking that their nation counts on the world scale while us Irish are happy to delude ourselves that we are more that an international drinking joke.

???? No.....Americans are rather thick....they count because they have massive army/population/resources......

irelandrover · 24-12-2014 1:17pm

Egginacup wrote: »

But the AREN'T isolated incidents. A black male is killed every 28 hours by cops or vigilantes in the US.

Can you provide any links or backups of this number? Does it include justified killings? How many people of other races are killed by police. Who are the vigilantes and why are they included in this?

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 1:32pm

Bacchus wrote: »

or reform the police force to better tackle the problems (& criminals) they are facing.

I saw some mention of a camera on every officer (by their badge I think) so that there is full accountability for their actions. Sounded like a good place to start.

Please, like a camera on each cop is going to curb their desire to beat and shoot people at will? When a cop is caught on camera killing someone or beating the shit out of someone he's excused anyway.

The answer is not amassing evidence against police officers since that evidence is routinely "lost", tampered with, destroyed or just plain ignored. The answer is to weed out the countless assholes who were allowed to become cops. The answer is to screen candidates so that the schoolyard prick, who's only suited to being an unskilled labourer in an abattoir, never even gets a chance to fill in the application form. The answer is to punish any dick cop who punches a woman in the head at a traffic stop because she got all pissy over a ticket, so that every other cop would think twice about spunking away his job and pension just because he wanted to act the heavy. The answer is to train cops to rise above personal ego and pettiness and ignore a kid who says "fuck you cop" instead of pulling out the night-stick and beating someone senseless 'cos they didn't show respect and fear to "the man". The answer is to shitcan any cop who thinks it's hilarious to wear one of these:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/9276/denver-police-beat-the-crowds-t-shirt-no-laughing-matter-protesters-charge

Filming these wackos isn't the answer.

24-12-2014 1:40pm

They need to keep guns out of the reach of kids and Police and America will be fine.

Tugboats · 24-12-2014 1:40pm

PS4s and giant tvs are being looted in his honour

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 1:47pm

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

I hate to bust the bubble but the average American citizen is a lot sharper than the average Irish person.

Americans are correct in thinking that their nation counts on the world scale while us Irish are happy to delude ourselves that we are more that an international drinking joke.

This is a blatant lie. 80% of Americans believe in miracles. That would put the average American in the braindead category. While a few Irish oul ones might believe in moving statues and such crap the vast majority of Irish people are not so thick.

AndonHandon · 24-12-2014 1:50pm

The U.S. is a horrible society to live in unless you have relative financial comfort. It is an 'every man for himself' political situation too so I understand the protestors' grief. However, it is completely misguided so they are coming across as idiotic products of the system. Black men are statistically more likely than another race in the U.S. to perpetuate their own stereotype and the officers who have unfortunately killed a few of them have been tried before grand juries and acquitted so there is no conspiracy.

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 1:53pm

irelandrover wrote: »

Can you provide any links or backups of this number? Does it include justified killings? How many people of other races are killed by police. Who are the vigilantes and why are they included in this?

The vigilantes are people like the racist, sexist, wifebeating thug and "neighbourhood watch" gobshite George Zimmerman who was told by cops not to go near Trayvon Martin but followed and shot and killed him anyway.

Bobeagleburger · 24-12-2014 1:54pm

The heavily divided Land of the Free...

irelandrover · 24-12-2014 1:55pm

Egginacup wrote: »

The vigilantes are people like the racist, sexist, wifebeating thug and "neighbourhood watch" gobshite George Zimmerman who was told by cops not to go near Trayvon Martin but followed and shot and killed him anyway.

So why do you include them?

SPDUB · 24-12-2014 2:02pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Got a link for that? Because I don't see it on this thread, and certainly not in that open letter on the previous page.

I presume this is what the poster is referring to

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/nypd-union-wartime-dept/2014/12/20/id/614270/

The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.

though the Union denied later denied issuing such a memo

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2014/12/8558990/pba-condemns-mayor-denies-inflammatory-memo

A spokesman for the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association has denied that the group issued a now-widely circulated memo reacting to today's killing of two police officers

Yakult · 24-12-2014 2:18pm

Should be "Teenager shot by police". who cares if he was black, white, Chinese or African.

The_Valeyard · 24-12-2014 2:18pm

Yakult wrote: »

Should be "Teenager shot by police". who cares if he was black, white, Chinese or African.

*Armed.

h2005 · 24-12-2014 2:21pm

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

A few years living on the East Coast before we moved home. A great place in so many respect with intelligent hard working people who do not suffer fools gladly. But the gun laws and racial undertones were enough to make us come home when the first was born.

I'm not seeing anything here which shows the average American is sharper than the average Irish person. But then maybe that's because I'm not too sharp.

Tugboats · 24-12-2014 2:22pm

Yakult wrote: »

Should be "Teenager shot by police". who cares if he was black, white, Chinese or African.

Jesse jackson and egginacup

mynamejeff · 24-12-2014 2:26pm

from reading this thread it seems fairly clear what some of you fine people want from your police

for the police to be under 24 hour surveillance both on duty and off incase they let the mask slip and the evil inside shines through

to be genetically engineered in a lab not to gain weight or physically deteriorate after working 10 to 12 hour long shifts in a patrol car with a constant state of alertness

to operate with out fear for thier selfs or loved ones despite constant threats on both

to operate with out any human emotions what so ever really

to never defend themselves unless already shot or shot at by someone

to be able to easily over power and arrest a 300 pound violent teenager without hurting him

to solve crimes using techniques you may have seen on CSI or some other crappy tv show

to apply the law rigidly to anyone who wrongs you but ignore any breaches of the law by you or yours

to deal with pressure and the abuses of management who are both politically corrupt glaringly incompetent in many cases .

to do your job with the cheapest equipment and least manpower because why would police need fast cars effective CS spray tazers and access to firearms ballistic vests(not stab vests) or a proper functioning computer system

not to suspect that some one who looks and acts in the same way as criminals who they have previously encountered in the same location might possibly be criminals too

but hey im sure you know better right ................

AndonHandon · 24-12-2014 2:30pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

from reading this thread it seems fairly clear what some of you fine people want from your police

for the police to be under 24 hour surveillance both on duty and off incase they let the mask slip and the evil inside shines through

to be genetically engineered in a lab not to gain weight or physically deteriorate after working 10 to 12 hour long shifts in a patrol car with a constant state of alertness

to operate with out fear for thier selfs or loved ones despite constant threats on both

to operate with out any human emotions what so ever really

to never defend themselves unless already shot or shot at by someone

to be able to easily over power and arrest a 300 pound violent teenager without hurting him

to solve crimes using techniques you may have seen on CSI or some other crappy tv show

to apply the law rigidly to anyone who wrongs you but ignore any breaches of the law by you or yours

to deal with pressure and the abuses of management who are both politically corrupt glaringly incompetent in many cases .

to do your job with the cheapest equipment and least manpower because why would police need fast cars effective CS spray tazers and access to firearms ballistic vests(not stab vests) or a proper functioning computer system

not to suspect that some one who looks and acts in the same way as criminals who they have previously encountered in the same location might possibly be criminals too

but hey im sure you know better right ................

This seems to be an agenda of some sorts.

Egginacup · 24-12-2014 2:32pm

irelandrover wrote: »

Can you provide any links or backups of this number? Does it include justified killings? How many people of other races are killed by police. Who are the vigilantes and why are they included in this?

Read this report:

https://mxgm.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Operation-Ghetto-Storm.pdf

It's 130 pages and it provides links and sources to it's findings.

Read the reasons for the 313 killings of black males. The majority of them were unarmed. Nearly a third of the killings started out with the cop citing "suspicious behaviour or appearance". Suspicious APPEARANCE?

14% were shot dead for running away from cops. And if anyone says "they shouldn't have run" then you ought to have your head tested or go sit in a room an be quiet for a very long time.

mynamejeff · 24-12-2014 2:35pm

Operation Ghetto Storm: 2012 Annual Report on the Extrajudicial
Killing of Black People ??

ya that seems like it wouldn't be a little bit bias

Tugboats · 24-12-2014 2:36pm

Egginacup wrote: »

Read this report:

https://mxgm.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Operation-Ghetto-Storm.pdf

It's 130 pages and it provides links and sources to it's findings.

Read the reasons for the 313 killings of black males. The majority of them were unarmed. Nearly a third of the killings started out with the cop citing "suspicious behaviour or appearance". Suspicious APPEARANCE?

14% were shot dead for running away from cops. And if anyone says "they shouldn't have run" then you ought to have your head tested or go sit in a room an be quiet for a very long time.

I like my murders like i do my porn black on black. Any stats on this?

Dan_Solo · 24-12-2014 2:37pm

The_Valeyard wrote: »

*Armed, said the police force that shoots kids and plants weapons.

FTFY.

Another black teenager shot by police in St Louis

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