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Guild Wars 2
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As much as im looking forward to the game i cant help but be concerned with what to do @ max lvl.
Also the dynamic events while enjoyable didnt feel or play fresh at all, it rather felt like rift.
I cant put my finger on it but i just didnt feel fresh or anything i havent experienced before at all.
Combat felt nice and smooth, the world seems interesting enough, pvp was fun to a point but here again it didnt feel or play like anything new or different, infact if was as if i was playing warhammer online again.
Overall i came away from the last beta weekend feeling like i had played rift pve and warhammer pvp, i certainly hoped i would have got more from the beta.
Ill still purchase for sure mainly because there is no subscription therefore the fear of yet another failed mmo isnt quite so bad when it has no sub.
Fingers crossed it does infact deliver because one of my favourite genres has been a catalogue of failures in recent times
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As much as im looking forward to the game i cant help but be concerned with what to do @ max lvl.
Also the dynamic events while enjoyable didnt feel or play fresh at all, it rather felt like rift.
I cant put my finger on it but i just didnt feel fresh or anything i havent experienced before at all.
Combat felt nice and smooth, the world seems interesting enough, pvp was fun to a point but here again it didnt feel or play like anything new or different, infact if was as if i was playing warhammer online again.
Overall i came away from the last beta weekend feeling like i had played rift pve and warhammer pvp, i certainly hoped i would have got more from the beta.
Ill still purchase for sure mainly because there is no subscription therefore the fear of yet another failed mmo isnt quite so bad when it has no sub.
Fingers crossed it does infact deliver because one of my favourite genres has been a catalogue of failures in recent times
Warhammer Online's PvP was godawful and not really anything like GW2's. Warhammer only had two teams facing off, no strategic depth whatsoever and huge balance issues. It's too early to say how GW2's will pan out, but the two are very different0 -
I was hoping to try out open world pvp last night.. spent about an hour running around and met one other person... Pity, seemed to be a very quiet night on our server... although wasnt expecting too many on during a mid week single night event, so no worries.
What was interesting was the "effective level 80", I'm not sure its all that people were thinking it was.. Yes your "effective" level is 80 (as in HP etc.), but you keep the same armor, weapons and more importantly skills of your normal pve level. In short, if you walk out there as "real" low level you will be destroyed by higher levels without much issue. So as a level 2 toon I had abysmal armor, a couple of low damage spells and little chance of survival ( I couldnt even kill the mobs enroute
). I'm glad it has been implemented like that, but my opinion did seem to be contrary to a lot of folks previously, so hopefully this detail is not offputting to them.
It will be interesting to see how they allow pvp'ers to level and gain armor, weapons etc..0 -
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I was hoping to try out open world pvp last night.. spent about an hour running around and met one other person... Pity, seemed to be a very quiet night on our server... although wasnt expecting too many on during a mid week single night event, so no worries.
What was interesting was the "effective level 80", I'm not sure its all that people were thinking it was.. Yes your "effective" level is 80 (as in HP etc.), but you keep the same armor, weapons and more importantly skills of your normal pve level. In short, if you walk out there as "real" low level you will be destroyed by higher levels without much issue. So as a level 2 toon I had abysmal armor, a couple of low damage spells and little chance of survival ( I couldnt even kill the mobs enroute). I'm glad it has been implemented like that, but my opinion did seem to be contrary to a lot of folks previously, so hopefully this detail is not offputting to them.
It will be interesting to see how they allow pvp'ers to level and gain armor, weapons etc..
Well theres the karma system which allows you to buy armor at certain spots in WvW, but yes obviously real lvl 80 players have access to superior weapons and armor0 -
Ahh cool.. I'm looking forward to it.. I'm beginning to wonder was i running around in the wrong area (border areas) and that was the reason for it being empty.. It was interesting to potter around, but no fights..I played for about an hour last night, and loved it. Didn't want to play much, as i want it all to be new when it's released, but i really did enjoy what i saw. Has the right feel to it, and ran surprisingly well on my pc.Don't you get a lvl80 PvP armour set for free?
I didn't.. sounds like I was supposed to go somewhere I didnt then I spoke to the training NPC and got his info, then spoke to some other NPC's and they would only allow me to sell items.. Noone offered me armor, and it didnt get automatically swapped.
No biggie.. it would be the spells/skills that would be the main issue.. I havent checked the skills tree's, but I would imagine you would need to be at least level 60+ to make a decent impact.. otherwise your skill catalogue and damage would be very poor in relation to your attackers..0 -
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As much as im looking forward to the game i cant help but be concerned with what to do @ max lvl.
Also the dynamic events while enjoyable didnt feel or play fresh at all, it rather felt like rift.
I cant put my finger on it but i just didnt feel fresh or anything i havent experienced before at all.
Combat felt nice and smooth, the world seems interesting enough, pvp was fun to a point but here again it didnt feel or play like anything new or different, infact if was as if i was playing warhammer online again.
Overall i came away from the last beta weekend feeling like i had played rift pve and warhammer pvp, i certainly hoped i would have got more from the beta.
Ill still purchase for sure mainly because there is no subscription therefore the fear of yet another failed mmo isnt quite so bad when it has no sub.
Fingers crossed it does infact deliver because one of my favourite genres has been a catalogue of failures in recent times
BURN HIM!!!
Yeah, too much lovey dovey talk coming out of this thread, I think anyone who has more experience with MMORPGs see's this game as nothing new. Even weapon switching was available in Age of Conan.
I'm happy to play this game for a bit, because it is a pick up and play type of game and doesn't demand constant grinding, but I'm not falling victim to the "wow isn't this revolutionary" talk. There is nothing new about guildwars2, in fact it is limited in comparison to the old game.
And anyone who comes on with a kiddie post like "well don't play it then" is missing the point, we are discussing guild wars two here, it's merits and it's faults, not patting each other on the back for pre ordering it.0 -
shootermacg wrote: »As much as im looking forward to the game i cant help but be concerned with what to do @ max lvl.
Also the dynamic events while enjoyable didnt feel or play fresh at all, it rather felt like rift.
I cant put my finger on it but i just didnt feel fresh or anything i havent experienced before at all.
Combat felt nice and smooth, the world seems interesting enough, pvp was fun to a point but here again it didnt feel or play like anything new or different, infact if was as if i was playing warhammer online again.
Overall i came away from the last beta weekend feeling like i had played rift pve and warhammer pvp, i certainly hoped i would have got more from the beta.
Ill still purchase for sure mainly because there is no subscription therefore the fear of yet another failed mmo isnt quite so bad when it has no sub.
Fingers crossed it does infact deliver because one of my favourite genres has been a catalogue of failures in recent times
BURN HIM!!!
Yeah, too much lovey dovey talk coming out of this thread, I think anyone who has more experience with MMORPGs see's this game as nothing new. Even weapon switching was available in Age of Conan.
I'm happy to play this game for a bit, because it is a pick up and play type of game and doesn't demand constant grinding, but I'm not falling victim to the "wow isn't this revolutionary" talk. There is nothing new about guildwars2, in fact it is limited in comparison to the old game.
And anyone who comes on with a kiddie post like "well don't play it then" is missing the point, we are discussing guild wars two here, it's merits and it's faults, not patting each other on the back for pre ordering it.
At the same time I don't think you having a go at people liking the game is fair, just as remarks about people not liking it is fair.
You said there is nothing new in gw2? A combination of innovations whilst not maybe completely original have made quite a unique style when applied together. And the dismissal I the holy trinity is not something I have seen in a main stream mmo before- is that not new?
No collect and hand in of quests? Haven't seen that before in a game that actually has levelling.
So whilst I have no doubt there will be loads of players that pick it up an hardly play it because it's not for them, saying there is nothing new about gw2 is a little unfair. To me there are problems with gw2, but Gavin a unique feel to it is certainly not one of them.0 -
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Problem with the betas and stress tests is people havent had a chance to build up the resources to start using the upgrades available for everything in WvW, once these start getting used i dont think zerging is gonna be as prevalent or possible
I think you might be mistaken
In most open world pvp games its generally zerging irrespective of the game until the open world pvp population leaves the game.. AOC, SWTOR, DAOC, Rift, Aion etc. etc. were basically zergests.
I see GW2 being exactly the same, especially much like DAOC you actually need a large body of people in order to take the keeps etc.
The fun for the rest of us is killing the zergers in our guild groups etc.. but the majority do seem to be content to roam around in huge assed zergs.0 -
I think you might be mistaken
In most open world pvp games its generally zerging irrespective of the game until the open world pvp population leaves the game.. AOC, SWTOR, DAOC, Rift, Aion etc. etc. were basically zergests.
I see GW2 being exactly the same, especially much like DAOC you actually need a large body of people in order to take the keeps etc.
The fun for the rest of us is killing the zergers in our guild groups etc.. but the majority do seem to be content to roam around in huge assed zergs.
Have you even looked at the upgrades available? Zerging will be VERY difficult against a fully upgraded castle/keep/whatever that has reinforced doors/walls/emplacements, then theres the waypoints that can be upgraded so you can teleport in forces behind your attackers, and thats just to begin with0 -
I think you might be mistaken
In most open world pvp games its generally zerging irrespective of the game until the open world pvp population leaves the game.. AOC, SWTOR, DAOC, Rift, Aion etc. etc. were basically zergests.
I see GW2 being exactly the same, especially much like DAOC you actually need a large body of people in order to take the keeps etc.
The fun for the rest of us is killing the zergers in our guild groups etc.. but the majority do seem to be content to roam around in huge assed zergs.
You might be correct, but I think there are many guilds out there with a primary focus on WvW, so large guilds will tend to dominate the battlegrounds im sure with a structured approach and mumble etc to aid them. Non offiliated players will no doubt also litter the map and a number will probably follow around bigger groups which will hopefully be a guild coordinated attack.
So personally I see WvW being a Guild v Guild effort for the most competitive servers which would maybe prompt alliances to form.0 -
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Have you even looked at the upgrades available? Zerging will be VERY difficult against a fully upgraded castle/keep/whatever that has reinforced doors/walls/emplacements, then theres the waypoints that can be upgraded so you can teleport in forces behind your attackers, and thats just to begin with
But thats why I mean it will force zerging.. a guild will not be able to take a keep alone (which is good), so by necessity big guilds, small guilds, solo's, duo's etc. will be required to form up in order to take key point. They will in essence need to zerg to get anything important done.
Hopefully it will end up like the better DAOC servers during relic raids, where people would allow a few better know leaders to lead, and they would control the main force (mass of bodies) on the keep, and get the more formed/pvp ready guilds to run interference, take towers, kill enemy trying to get to the battle etc.. Makes for fun fights, and facilitates everyone..
Either way, we shall see 0 -
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But thats why I mean it will force zerging.. a guild will not be able to take a keep alone (which is good), so by necessity big guilds, small guilds, solo's, duo's etc. will be required to form up in order to take key point. They will in essence need to zerg to get anything important done.
Hopefully it will end up like the better DAOC servers during relic raids, where people would allow a few better know leaders to lead, and they would control the main force (mass of bodies) on the keep, and get the more formed/pvp ready guilds to run interference, take towers, kill enemy trying to get to the battle etc.. Makes for fun fights, and facilitates everyone..
Either way, we shall see
One use I saw immediately for smaller groups was for cutting off supply caravans to keeps leading up to the main force attacking the keeps themselves. That's the way the game is supposed to work because it stops the defenders from being able to repair, build weapons, etc. There are also lots of smaller PvE style objectives and points to capture that also add to your realm score. Also it's possible to become a leader with special abilities in WvW although I can't remember the process offhand.
The variety of objectives and sheer multitude of them means that WvW should encourage more tactical and thought-out gameplay than the likes of WAR, which was utter tripe. If realms descend into zergfest then let them, they'll fall to the bottom of the rankings after a few weeks and can zerg there amongst themselves while the better realms actually play the game 0 -
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OctavarIan wrote: »Damage output is pretty balanced across the board. Some professions favour burst damage while others favour damage over time. Each profession has a few different builds and playstyles, bar the Necro which is possibly the least balanced profession at the moment. It's not any weaker than other professions, it just has fewer options going for it.
I haven't played any dungeons, but from what I've played in PvE so far there is indeed no tank/dps/healer setup. Everyone has to be 100% alert as to what's going on and ready with quick reflexes. There was a boss in the last BWE that seemed to insta-kill everyone who fought it, but it was mostly because they weren't paying attention to what was going on. It required as much dodging and positioning as it did combat.
As for Ranger vs Elementalist, I'd go Elementalist. They've a crazy number of skills, very fast combat and lots of flashy effects :pac: Give Engineer a try as well though, it is quite similar.
Cheers for the reply mate, yeah I was leaning towards Elementalist. Have never played a mage in an MMO before and they do look fun so I think that's made up my mind!! 0 -
Well im looking forward to this now again, Had preordered ages ago and kept meself from investing any time into betas or looking much up about it, due to it being months away and why get hyped for something so far away.
Got tera as a stopgap and its mediocre areas apart from combat and gfx eventually caught up with me few weeks ago and flaked.
Back in a mmo mood now
Still seems its wierd that its only like 3 weeks away, I rem talking alot about this with mmo friends about 18months ago, where the hell does time go
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