Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

Pete M. · 07-02-2012 11:16pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Well maybe if they can raise money for local services through the household charge and ultimately property tax then commercial rates can be reduced which will help with job creation.

LOL that is truly hilarious indeed

You really seem to think that all of this lovely moula raised by the household tax is for local services.
Do you realise how much the local government fund has been reduced already? By way more than will be raised by their efforts.
And you think that it is even a minute possibility that commercial rates will be reduced significantly in the foreseeable future?

You're telling people opposed to the tax to get real and yet you are in La La land lad!

Mr CJ · 07-02-2012 11:42pm

Pete M. wrote: »

LOL that is truly hilarious indeed

You really seem to think that all of this lovely moula raised by the household tax is for local services.
Do you realise how much the local government fund has been reduced already? By way more than will be raised by their efforts.
And you think that it is even a minute possibility that commercial rates will be reduced significantly in the foreseeable future?

You're telling people opposed to the tax to get real and yet you are in La La land lad!

From reading the fair bit of rubbish on this forum I have confirmed the people here who want this charge are really in la la land and have no comprehension on reality and on the impact of this stupid new charge.

Question for the people on cloud 9 sorry I mean people for this new charge:

Hypothetically suppose in a few years all new taxes have been implemented and increased to around €1600/yr

(you might ask €1600?????? well according to the few for this charge, we the ones against this charge are bewildered and we are mad to think that the government can find other solutions so the only way out of this mess is to savagely increase taxes, sure its only €1600, we need to pay it for progress isnt that right???)

With mortgages, taxes, bills, bins, fuel etc there is nothing left and half the country would be running into debt, businesses everywhere collapsing job losses shoots up, how just how is this progress?????

Keep chipping away at a tree no matter how big it is and it will fall down, this is what people need to wake up to and realise the bigger picture!!

By us not paying this we are telling the government no not going to work this time move on to plan b!! Plan b being the implementation of money saving and money making alternatives. You ask how can we save money?? straight away look at prisons and the social welfare system? biggest waste of money ever for zero productivity never mention the other waste that goes on in government departments.

Mr CJ · 07-02-2012 11:53pm

Does anyone know the stats with employment in relation to expenditure? If people had €1600 less per year to spend can anyone work out what kind of job losses to expect??

well the average salary being 25k so you could say 16 homes could support an employment opportunity? and there are around 1.5million homes? correct me if im wrong but you can do the maths....

The_Thing · 08-02-2012 12:14am

The reduction of the septic tank registration fee from €50 to €5 before the deadline is another fine example of the contempt in which we the people are held by this Government - do they really think we are so stupid as to fall for this 'once-in-a-lifetime' chance to save €45 whilst handing over our personal details for them to use as they see fit in screwing us out of more money in years to come?

I'd really love to know who thought that this ploy would work because if that is the level of intelligence in Fine Gael \ Labour then God help us.

Don't Register \ Don't Pay

K-9 · 08-02-2012 12:17am

Mr CJ wrote: »

From reading the fair bit of rubbish on this forum I have confirmed the people here who want this charge are really in la la land and have no comprehension on reality and on the impact of this stupid new charge.

Question for the people on cloud 9 sorry I mean people for this new charge:

Hypothetically suppose in a few years all new taxes have been implemented and increased to around €1600/yr

(you might ask €1600?????? well according to the few for this charge, we the ones against this charge are bewildered and we are mad to think that the government can find other solutions so the only way out of this mess is to savagely increase taxes, sure its only €1600, we need to pay it for progress isnt that right???)

With mortgages, taxes, bills, bins, fuel etc there is nothing left and half the country would be running into debt, businesses everywhere collapsing job losses shoots up, how just how is this progress?????

Keep chipping away at a tree no matter how big it is and it will fall down, this is what people need to wake up to and realise the bigger picture!!

By us not paying this we are telling the government no not going to work this time move on to plan b!! Plan b being the implementation of money saving and money making alternatives. You ask how can we save money?? straight away look at prisons and the social welfare system? biggest waste of money ever for zero productivity never mention the other waste that goes on in government departments.

Without getting into the slagging matches so beloved of this thread (all sides), welfare has to be cut, no doubt about it, still leads to less growth, less money spent in local shops (might as well mention pubs as it's AH!), the exact same thing a few posters are so worried about on here!

Just seems to be the whole left wing vs. right wing thing again. Cuts are good, raising taxes are evil thing! Both have huge consequences.

Ideally you'd cut taxes but between banks, lending and other things, it probably isn't going to work. The UK cutting VAT as a good example. People know we are in for a few years of this.

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2012 12:22am

Mr CJ wrote: »

From reading the fair bit of rubbish on this forum I have confirmed the people here who want this charge are really in la la land and have no comprehension on reality and on the impact of this stupid new charge.

Question for the people on cloud 9 sorry I mean people for this new charge:

Hypothetically suppose in a few years all new taxes have been implemented and increased to around €1600/yr

(you might ask €1600?????? well according to the few for this charge, we the ones against this charge are bewildered and we are mad to think that the government can find other solutions so the only way out of this mess is to savagely increase taxes, sure its only €1600, we need to pay it for progress isnt that right???)

With mortgages, taxes, bills, bins, fuel etc there is nothing left and half the country would be running into debt, businesses everywhere collapsing job losses shoots up, how just how is this progress?????

Keep chipping away at a tree no matter how big it is and it will fall down, this is what people need to wake up to and realise the bigger picture!!

By us not paying this we are telling the government no not going to work this time move on to plan b!! Plan b being the implementation of money saving and money making alternatives. You ask how can we save money?? straight away look at prisons and the social welfare system? biggest waste of money ever for zero productivity never mention the other waste that goes on in government departments.

If you want to speculate on what the charge will be in future years here is some possibly more informed speculation. Other people on here were saying €3000 or €4000 from scare stories they heard.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1221/breaking6.html

Us the 1.6 million who own our own houses are a diverse group and not everyone is on the breadline yet. The savings ratio in the country is above average and personal savings accounts total €100,000,000,000 at the moment. 85% of people still have a job and some are sailing along nicely in the middle of the recession. I don't think the militancy displayed on this forum will be reflected in the general populace. The best comparitor we have recently is the €200 NPPR (second homes) tax which 340,000 people are paying this last three years without much comment.

There must be a bit of money in the country if people can afford to drink this much (in the news today) and Paddy Powers top brass can afford to pay themselves over €1 million per year from gambling activity.

The average Irish adult consumed 11.9 litres of pure alcohol in 2010, equivalent to 482 pints of lager, 125 bottles of wine or 45 bottles of vodka.

Unless someone can guarantee to me that the law will be taken off the statute books I am not going to put myself outside the law and run up arrears for the sake of €100. Let next year and the year after take care of themselves. Other people can do what they like but as the owners of private houses they will bear consequences by defying the law and the campaigners will be long gone when some of these consequences come home to roost.

Mr CJ · 08-02-2012 12:23am

The_Thing wrote: »

The reduction of the septic tank registration fee from €50 to €5 before the deadline is another fine example of the contempt in which we the people are held by this Government - do they really think we are so stupid as to fall for this 'once-in-a-lifetime' chance to save €45 whilst handing over our personal details for them to use as they see fit in screwing us out of more money in years to come?

I'd really love to know who thought that this ploy would work because if that is the level of intelligence in Fine Gael \ Labour then God help us.

Don't Register \ Don't Pay

The sad thing is it will work in some cases.... just read the comments on this forum!! We are talking about the Irish here with there usual hands up in the air "ah sure what can ya do we just have to pay it... now how much do you want Enda????"

I do not have a septic tank so dont know much about them but what I can see is a new NCT or should I say NSTT with strict requirements down the road exactly like what they are doing with the NCT to this day. and this will be another massive hike in expenditure for the Irish person! But I can see this as clear as daylight but there are still the few that say ah its only a fiver nice one... ha

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 12:25am

Mr CJ wrote: »

The sad thing is it will work in some cases.... just read the comments on this forum!! We are talking about the Irish here with there usual hands up in the air "ah sure what can ya do we just have to pay it... now how much do you want Enda????"

I do not have a septic tank so dont know much about them but what I can see is a new NCT or should I say NSTT with strict requirements down the road exactly like what they are doing with the NCT to this day. and this will be another massive hike in expenditure for the Irish person! But I can see this as clear as daylight but there are still the few that say ah its only a fiver nice one... ha

I'm not paying, I have a sCeptic tank.

K-9 · 08-02-2012 12:31am

Mr CJ wrote: »

Does anyone know the stats with employment in relation to expenditure? If people had €1600 less per year to spend can anyone work out what kind of job losses to expect??

well the average salary being 25k so you could say 16 homes could support an employment opportunity? and there are around 1.5million homes? correct me if im wrong but you can do the maths....

Can't give you stats on that but for every € taken out of the economy by Government cuts, about 50/60c is taken out of the economy.

I suppose you'd have to factor figures like that in to the €1,600 (if it's going to be that) loss. It isn't all lost. Some of it gets back to the economy.

The Quadratic Equation · 08-02-2012 12:31am

The_Thing wrote: »

The reduction of the septic tank registration fee from €50 to €5 before the deadline is another fine example of the contempt in which we the people are held by this Government - do they really think we are so stupid as to fall for this 'once-in-a-lifetime' chance to save €45 whilst handing over our personal details for them to use as they see fit in screwing us out of more money in years to come?

I'd really love to know who thought that this ploy would work because if that is the level of intelligence in Fine Gael \ Labour then God help us.

Don't Register \ Don't Pay

Basically they are so arrogant and sure of themselves, they think we're stupid enough to be bought and sold for €45.

Their slimey patronising out of touch bullsh1t knows no bounds.

I'll pay my sceptic tank tax when SCAMA is closed down, Bertie, Seanie, Fingers and all their filthy dirty banker/developer pals are put in jail, and the bank bondholders are taught the meaning of the word private sector speculation.

I don't give two f**ks if we can ''register'' for a cost of 5 cent, never mind € 5

The filthy scum can go and f**k themselves.

Mr CJ · 08-02-2012 12:33am

K-9 wrote: »

Without getting into the slagging matches so beloved of this thread (all sides), welfare has to be cut, no doubt about it, still leads to less growth, less money spent in local shops (might as well mention pubs as it's AH!), the exact same thing a few posters are so worried about on here!

Just seems to be the whole left wing vs. right wing thing again. Cuts are good, raising taxes are evil thing! Both have huge consequences.

Ideally you'd cut taxes but between banks, lending and other things, it probably isn't going to work. The UK cutting VAT as a good example. People know we are in for a few years of this.

Agreed with the slagging matches!! but lets face it they are going for easy targets all the time. I would admirer them more if they started with them selves first for example stop there ridiculous expense allowances, are they not on enough money as it is??

I have no problem paying taxes only a fool would say we should not pay taxes... the whole point I am trying to make is why cant they think outside the box and try other ideas rather than preying on us all the time. There is money in the country still agreed but its not as spread out as you like to think. There are people that have not got a fiver never mind €30/week

tayto lover · 08-02-2012 12:41am

K-9 wrote: »

Without getting into the slagging matches so beloved of this thread (all sides), welfare has to be cut, no doubt about it, still leads to less growth, less money spent in local shops (might as well mention pubs as it's AH!), the exact same thing a few posters are so worried about on here!

Just seems to be the whole left wing vs. right wing thing again. Cuts are good, raising taxes are evil thing! Both have huge consequences.

Ideally you'd cut taxes but between banks, lending and other things, it probably isn't going to work. The UK cutting VAT as a good example. People know we are in for a few years of this.

Many middle class families cannot afford this household charge despite what many say. People are borrowing from Credit Unions already to pay the increased education fees, car insurance, health insurance etc. All this while wages are decreasing and expenses like fuel and mortgages are rising.
They cannot get blood out of a stone. People are not just refusing to pay
THEY CAN'T PAY.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 1:12am

gerryo777 wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Thats a Banning!!!

Well you know what they say about a fool and his money!

Sorry mods, but I've been asked for suggestions on how we can improve our situation and I've given what I think are reasonable responses.
donalg1,mickydoomsux and blackfrancis must have an agenda as anyone who doesn't agree with them is accused of trading in 'cheap sloganeering',spouting 'populist bulls**t' (a contradiction in terms there I do believe) and probably gets reported to a moderator for not agreeing with them.

Where did I say anything about cheap sloganeering populist whatever seriously show me dare ya to.

Nice deflection attempt obviously run out of anything constructive to say hence that post and the fool post which btw has lost you all credibility

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 1:17am

Mr CJ wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Unbelievable, you seem to be the most confused person I have ever seen on Boards. You say the government needs to raise additional funds and therefore no one should pay their taxes???

Mind boggling!!!

I think you have a major lack of understanding with this and the fact that your not reading my comments properly

The only confused ones on this are the ones that really want this new charge to be implemented, I find it strange how much some of you are fighting for this??

Donal can you please quote what I said regarding no one should pay there taxes???

Funny stuff....

It's there for all to see so no need for me to quote it for you if you can't remember it. You did say you think the govt need to raise revenue but you also think nobody should pay this tax didn't you

K-9 · 08-02-2012 1:19am

tayto lover wrote: »

Many middle class families cannot afford this household charge despite what many say. People are borrowing from Credit Unions already to pay the increased education fees, car insurance, health insurance etc. All this while wages are decreasing and expenses like fuel and mortgages are rising.
They cannot get blood out of a stone. People are not just refusing to pay
THEY CAN'T PAY.

You'd be doing well to get a loan out of the Credit Union these days, after the hits they took giving mad loans of 100's of thousands, but yeah, your point is true.

AS many will suffer with welfare and PS cuts. There is no easy way out of this.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 1:25am

Pete M. wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Well maybe if they can raise money for local services through the household charge and ultimately property tax then commercial rates can be reduced which will help with job creation.

LOL that is truly hilarious indeed

You really seem to think that all of this lovely moula raised by the household tax is for local services.
Do you realise how much the local government fund has been reduced already? By way more than will be raised by their efforts.
And you think that it is even a minute possibility that commercial rates will be reduced significantly in the foreseeable future?

You're telling people opposed to the tax to get real and yet you are in La La land lad!

Please be quiet pal. If you actually understood the context of that post it would be helpful however you see what you want to see and ignore everything else just like every other wally here. That post was in reference to the idiotic posts by others that think not paying this charge will generate huge revenue for local businesses which in turn will create a multitude of jobs and will end the recession!!! So basically not paying your taxes will end the recession!!!

So lol at that one and find that truly hilarious just like I did with your ridiculous puts son

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 1:28am

Mr CJ wrote: »

Pete M. wrote: »

LOL that is truly hilarious indeed

You really seem to think that all of this lovely moula raised by the household tax is for local services.
Do you realise how much the local government fund has been reduced already? By way more than will be raised by their efforts.
And you think that it is even a minute possibility that commercial rates will be reduced significantly in the foreseeable future?

You're telling people opposed to the tax to get real and yet you are in La La land lad!

From reading the fair bit of rubbish on this forum I have confirmed the people here who want this charge are really in la la land and have no comprehension on reality and on the impact of this stupid new charge.

Question for the people on cloud 9 sorry I mean people for this new charge:

Hypothetically suppose in a few years all new taxes have been implemented and increased to around €1600/yr

(you might ask €1600?????? well according to the few for this charge, we the ones against this charge are bewildered and we are mad to think that the government can find other solutions so the only way out of this mess is to savagely increase taxes, sure its only €1600, we need to pay it for progress isnt that right???)

With mortgages, taxes, bills, bins, fuel etc there is nothing left and half the country would be running into debt, businesses everywhere collapsing job losses shoots up, how just how is this progress?????

Keep chipping away at a tree no matter how big it is and it will fall down, this is what people need to wake up to and realise the bigger picture!!

By us not paying this we are telling the government no not going to work this time move on to plan b!! Plan b being the implementation of money saving and money making alternatives. You ask how can we save money?? straight away look at prisons and the social welfare system? biggest waste of money ever for zero productivity never mention the other waste that goes on in government departments.

News for ya that's all happened already so why don't you get your head out the sand and realise to continue that way is unsustainable

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 1:30am

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

The_Thing wrote: »

The reduction of the septic tank registration fee from €50 to €5 before the deadline is another fine example of the contempt in which we the people are held by this Government - do they really think we are so stupid as to fall for this 'once-in-a-lifetime' chance to save €45 whilst handing over our personal details for them to use as they see fit in screwing us out of more money in years to come?

I'd really love to know who thought that this ploy would work because if that is the level of intelligence in Fine Gael \ Labour then God help us.

Don't Register \ Don't Pay

Basically they are so arrogant and sure of themselves, they think we're stupid enough to be bought and sold for €45.

Their slimey patronising out of touch bullsh1t knows no bounds.

I'll pay my sceptic tank tax when SCAMA is closed down, Bertie, Seanie, Fingers and all their filthy dirty banker/developer pals are put in jail, and the bank bondholders are taught the meaning of the word private sector speculation.

I don't give two f**ks if we can ''register'' for a cost of 5 cent, never mind € 5

The filthy scum can go and f**k themselves.

Good lad yourself if you feel so strongly why don't you leave the country cause your silly attitude ain't gonna help you or anyone else I'm sure you can find a country somewhere that will make you happy low taxes high pay free services for everyone blah blah blah

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 1:33am

tayto lover wrote: »

K-9 wrote: »

Without getting into the slagging matches so beloved of this thread (all sides), welfare has to be cut, no doubt about it, still leads to less growth, less money spent in local shops (might as well mention pubs as it's AH!), the exact same thing a few posters are so worried about on here!

Just seems to be the whole left wing vs. right wing thing again. Cuts are good, raising taxes are evil thing! Both have huge consequences.

Ideally you'd cut taxes but between banks, lending and other things, it probably isn't going to work. The UK cutting VAT as a good example. People know we are in for a few years of this.

Many middle class families cannot afford this household charge despite what many say. People are borrowing from Credit Unions already to pay the increased education fees, car insurance, health insurance etc. All this while wages are decreasing and expenses like fuel and mortgages are rising.
They cannot get blood out of a stone. People are not just refusing to pay
THEY CAN'T PAY.

If they can't afford €100 they can't borrow from the credit union simple as that so your argument is pointless

Pete M. · 08-02-2012 2:01am

donalg1 wrote: »

Please be quiet pal. If you actually understood the context of that post it would be helpful however you see what you want to see and ignore everything else just like every other wally here. That post was in reference to the idiotic posts by others that think not paying this charge will generate huge revenue for local businesses which in turn will create a multitude of jobs and will end the recession!!! So basically not paying your taxes will end the recession!!!

So lol at that one and find that truly hilarious just like I did with your ridiculous puts son

Pal? Wally? Son?

I think not buddy...

You have your wobbly way of seeing things, I have mine.

Do you see the poll up there?Thats the one that counts round these here parts so

The Quadratic Equation · 08-02-2012 2:07am

donalg1 wrote: »

Good lad yourself if you feel so strongly why don't you leave the country cause your silly attitude ain't gonna help you or anyone else I'm sure you can find a country somewhere that will make you happy low taxes high pay free services for everyone blah blah blah

Slither back under your rock to count your dirty money, there's a good laddie,

We've heard your tactics before . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjGSfuSQpA

"Beware of the thing that is coming, beware of the risen people
Who shall take what ye would not give.
Did ye think to conquer the people, or that law is stronger than life,
And than men’s desire to be free?
We will try it out with you ye that have harried and held,
Ye that have bullied and bribed.
Tyrants… hypocrites… liars!" The Rebel, by Patrick Pearse

mikom · 08-02-2012 2:35am

donalg1 wrote: »

Good lad yourself if you feel so strongly why don't you leave the country cause your silly attitude ain't gonna help you or anyone else

Worked for David Drumm (former chief executive, Anglo Irish Bank) with his house in Cape Cod.
No fine either............ which is what a poor non-household tax payer can expect.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 8:41am

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Good lad yourself if you feel so strongly why don't you leave the country cause your silly attitude ain't gonna help you or anyone else I'm sure you can find a country somewhere that will make you happy low taxes high pay free services for everyone blah blah blah

Slither back under your rock to count your dirty money, there's a good laddie,

We've heard your tactics before . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjGSfuSQpA

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]"Beware of the thing that is coming, beware of the risen people
Who shall take what ye would not give.
Did ye think to conquer the people, or that law is stronger than life,
And than men’s desire to be free?
We will try it out with you ye that have harried and held,
Ye that have bullied and bribed.
Tyrants… hypocrites… liars!"[/COLOR] The Rebel, by Patrick Pearse

If you wish to make comparisons to Bertie I think you would be better starting with the anti brigade as they are the ones refusing to open their eyes and realise how f***** things are and are instead content on carrying on the way we are until everything gets far worse. Anti brigade = fianna fail.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 8:46am

Pete M. wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Please be quiet pal. If you actually understood the context of that post it would be helpful however you see what you want to see and ignore everything else just like every other wally here. That post was in reference to the idiotic posts by others that think not paying this charge will generate huge revenue for local businesses which in turn will create a multitude of jobs and will end the recession!!! So basically not paying your taxes will end the recession!!!

So lol at that one and find that truly hilarious just like I did with your ridiculous puts son

Pal? Wally? Son?

I think not buddy...

You have your wobbly way of seeing things, I have mine.

Do you see the poll up there?Thats the one that counts round these here parts so

Mature!!!

You see the thing with polls is more of the anti people are likely to vote in them, same way with reviews online as people with bad experiences are more likely to bother their hole going on line to fill out a review than those that are happy with the service it's not rocket science actually pretty obvious when you think about it

lividduck · 08-02-2012 9:39am

tayto lover wrote: »

Many middle class families cannot afford this household charge despite what many say. People are borrowing from Credit Unions already to pay the increased education fees, car insurance, health insurance etc. All this while wages are decreasing and expenses like fuel and mortgages are rising.
They cannot get blood out of a stone. People are not just refusing to pay
THEY CAN'T PAY.

That has to be the point, what is the point of introducing a tax that you know most people liable to pay simply cant pay it!
It goes against the very basic canons of taxation to introduce a tax that you know in advance that people will simply not be able to pay.
I dont agree with a lot of the anti arguements but this poster has hit the nail on the head.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 9:50am

lividduck wrote: »

That has to be the point, what is the point of introducing a tax that you know most people liable to pay simply cant pay it!
It goes against the very basic canons of taxation to introduce a tax that you know in advance that people will simply not be able to pay.
I dont agree with a lot of the anti arguements but this poster has hit the nail on the head.

I think it has been shown at the start of this thread that 99% of people can afford the €2 per week.

Sizzler · 08-02-2012 9:53am

donalg1 wrote: »

I think it has been shown at the start of this thread that 99% of people can afford the €2 per week.

And it would also seem that more than 99% of people havent paid it....1.6 million households eligible and 78,000 have registered.....0.4875%

Do you think the other 1.5 million people will be rushing to pay this over the next 6 weeks..?

This is failing and failing miserably, surprise surprise

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 9:56am

Sizzler wrote: »

And it would also seem that more than 99% of people havent paid it....1.6 million households eligible and 78,000 have registered.....0.4875%

Do you think the other 1.5 million people will be rushing to pay this over the next 6 weeks..?

This is failing and failing miserably, surprise surprise

I didnt say that 99% have paid it now did I? I said that 99% of people can afford it.

Ghandee · 08-02-2012 10:14am

donalg1 wrote: »

I didnt say that 99% have paid it now did I? I said that 99% of people can afford it.

99% of people just won't set themselves up for the inevitable gouging of their finances once they've registered.

We're not stupid FG.

STOP raping us!

Some of us have no more to give!

Sizzler · 08-02-2012 10:15am

donalg1 wrote: »

I didnt say that 99% have paid it now did I? I said that 99% of people can afford it.

Never said you did...read it again

I was drawing the comparison between the claim that 99% people can afford it but it would seem more than 99% of people arent interested in paying it...go grab a coffee

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 10:19am

Sizzler wrote: »

Never said you did...read it again

I was drawing the comparison between the claim that 99% people can afford it but it would seem more than 99% of people arent interested in paying it...go grab a coffee

I still fail to see the point you are trying to make, I said 99% can afford it and you replied saying well they havent paid it?? So what is your response actually getting at? So you go grab yourself a coffee there and wink at someone else ok!!

Sizzler · 08-02-2012 12:12pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I still fail to see the point you are trying to make, I said 99% can afford it and you replied saying well they havent paid it?? So what is your response actually getting at? So you go grab yourself a coffee there and wink at someone else ok!!

PMSL

The complexity of correlation :eek:

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 12:50pm

Sizzler wrote: »

PMSL

The complexity of correlation :eek:

Good one, I assume you have no actual valid points to make in relation to this thread so while you are pmsl why dont you gtfo and troll somewhere else.

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 1:11pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Please be quiet pal. If you actually understood the context of that post it would be helpful however you see what you want to see and ignore everything else just like every other wally here. That post was in reference to the idiotic posts by others that think not paying this charge will generate huge revenue for local businesses which in turn will create a multitude of jobs and will end the recession!!! So basically not paying your taxes will end the recession!!!

So lol at that one and find that truly hilarious just like I did with your ridiculous puts son

See what you want to see and ignore everything else? I think that's your position, isn't it?

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 1:12pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Mature!!!

You see the thing with polls is more of the anti people are likely to vote in them, same way with reviews online as people with bad experiences are more likely to bother their hole going on line to fill out a review than those that are happy with the service it's not rocket science actually pretty obvious when you think about it

5% have paid the tax to date!

the groutch · 08-02-2012 1:14pm

Sizzler wrote: »

And it would also seem that more than 99% of people havent paid it....1.6 million households eligible and 78,000 have registered.....4.875%

Do you think the other 1.5 million people will be rushing to pay this over the next 6 weeks..?

This is failing and failing miserably, surprise surprise

and that 78,000 may include the approx 47,000 held by NAMA

they'll do well to get 10% registered before the deadline, good luck to them sending out over a million letters looking for payment

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 1:30pm

donalg1 wrote: »

Good one, I assume you have no actual valid points to make in relation to this thread so while you are pmsl why dont you gtfo and troll somewhere else.

You are losing the argument here, it shows in 2 ways....
1.The poll at the start of the thread is heading more and more in the no direction and
2. The tone of your posts, I think its time a few of them were reported. Maybe a weeks ban might calm you down.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 1:36pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

You are losing the argument here, it shows in 2 ways....
1.The poll at the start of the thread is heading more and more in the no direction and
2. The tone of your posts, I think its time a few of them were reported. Maybe a weeks ban might calm you down.

I have highlighted the above to show this is why you are actually losing the argument.

You see by reporting everyone with a different opinion you may end up being the only one left here and sure then you can declare yourself the winner by default. The fact you need to run to the mods to help you shows you have nothing left to say on the subject, but sure we all know this anyway as you have been spouting the same lines for days now.

Another thing too, its not about winning and losing its about expressing opinions as there is no way any one can win or lose this one, you see some will pay some wont its that simple. Those that pay will be abiding by the laws of the state those that dont wont and will have a charge registered against their property its very straight forward.

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 1:50pm

donalg1 wrote: »

I have highlighted the above to show this is why you are actually losing the argument.

You see by reporting everyone with a different opinion you may end up being the only one left here and sure then you can declare yourself the winner by default. The fact you need to run to the mods to help you shows you have nothing left to say on the subject, but sure we all know this anyway as you have been spouting the same lines for days now.

Another thing too, its not about winning and losing its about expressing opinions as there is no way any one can win or lose this one, you see some will pay some wont its that simple. Those that pay will be abiding by the laws of the state those that dont wont and will have a charge registered against their property its very straight forward.

Oh yea, 'spouting', here we go again.
I have being trying to put forward examples of how we can move forward in this country.
You, on the other hand have been slagging off everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view. Using the words pal,son etc plus telling others to "gtfo and troll somewhere else"
Grow up. I won't be responding to any more of your posts so feel free to make sure you have the last word with me ok if it makes you feel better.

RandomName2 · 08-02-2012 1:57pm

Shenshen wrote: »

It's €100, that's around €8.33 a month.

I'm finding it absolutely baffling how people can get worked up over this, yet will happily spend as much on a single drink on a night out....

Get a grip. Seriously.

U get a grip - look at what the charge is going to be next year. Up to 5 grand. That's over €416 a month. You'd be hard pushed to spend that on a single drink on a night out! :eek:

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 2:04pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Oh yea, 'spouting', here we go again.
I have being trying to put forward examples of how we can move forward in this country.
You, on the other hand have been slagging off everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view. Using the words pal,son etc plus telling others to "gtfo and troll somewhere else"
Grow up. I won't be responding to any more of your posts so feel free to make sure you have the last word with me ok if it makes you feel better.

Wont respond because you have run out of things to say and can only repeat yourself? Grand you take the "moral high ground":D and prove to me that you cant convince me to not pay this charge.

The only people I have called a troll are those that came here to troll and instead of attacking my posts have attacked me.

Just as you have in your post above there in the highlighted part. Pot and kettle comes to mind.

And if you really want to discuss growing up I suggest you grow up and pay your taxes.

psychward · 08-02-2012 2:38pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What do you think would happen to your little bit of private property? The not so civil disobeyers might think they were as much entitled to it as you.

That sounds like you are referring to the government . They love to take our private property

As for the possible anarchistic consequences of a lot of people snapping at once... I would expect them to snap out of a sense of ethical angry righteousness... not because they would be skanger chavs or commies; and hence their anger would be specifically directed at a few select scumbags but have no other particular agenda other than one similar to squeezing out a turd and flushing . And I doubt that the army or police would turn against their own people so regular scum would still be locked up ( or left to roam the streets as is currently the case). The new USSR is this fu(ked up system of government imposed upon us where true capitalism is sidelined. Anyway tis but a dream

squod · 08-02-2012 2:38pm

donalg1 wrote: »

........... prove to me that you cant convince me to not pay this charge.

On a serious note, what's you're conversion rate do you think? Seems the poll is speeding away from those in the wrong in this debate.

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2012 2:44pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

U get a grip - look at what the charge is going to be next year. Up to 5 grand. That's over €416 a month. You'd be hard pushed to spend that on a single drink on a night out! :eek:

Where did you get the 5 grand figure from?

Phill Ewinn · 08-02-2012 2:51pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Where did you get the 5 grand figure from?

Maybe he has a million euro pile in Dalkey with stunning views of the oil rig.

bladespin · 08-02-2012 2:55pm

Haven't heard feck all about it tbh, certainly not going to register on the net, they'll have to send me a bill, then I'll probably pay but I'll make sure I get at least that value out of the council over the next year.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 3:05pm

squod wrote: »

On a serious note, what's you're conversion rate do you think? Seems the poll is speeding away from those in the wrong in this debate.

I am not here to convert anyone, I am here to offer my opinion only. I have never once advised anyone to pay it or not to pay it as it is up to them what they do with their own money. I would not for a second tell anyone what to do with their money unlike the anti brigade.

Phill Ewinn · 08-02-2012 3:06pm

It'll pay to fix the road. Then it'll pay for some nordie contractor to dig it up again in two months.

Oh yeah, it'll also pay for the sixty different administrators we don't need between the local hospital and the 17 different HSE buildings in the town.

donalg1 · 08-02-2012 3:22pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Fool.

gerryo777 wrote: »

Oh yea, 'spouting', here we go again.
I have being trying to put forward examples of how we can move forward in this country.
You, on the other hand have been slagging off everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view. Using the words pal,son etc plus telling others to "gtfo and troll somewhere else"
Grow up. I won't be responding to any more of your posts so feel free to make sure you have the last word with me ok if it makes you feel better.

Says and shows it all really gerry

gerryo777 · 08-02-2012 3:44pm

squod wrote: »

On a serious note, what's you're conversion rate do you think? Seems the poll is speeding away from those in the wrong in this debate.

You're wasting your time, as I've said before, there's none so blind as those that cannot see.
It's his way or nothing else. No other argument can be explored.

Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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