Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

psychward wrote: »

a good way not to ignore that deficit could be for widespread civil disobedience against all taxes followed by the rolling out of guillotines and the usage of these guillotines on specific greedy corrupt treasonous slimeballs until the pension bill goes down .. but I disgress ... tis but a dream

What do you think would happen to your little bit of private property? The not so civil disobeyers might think they were as much entitled to it as you.

donalg1 wrote: »

Unbelievable, you seem to be the most confused person I have ever seen on Boards. You say the government needs to raise additional funds and therefore no one should pay their taxes???

Mind boggling!!!

I think you have a major lack of understanding with this and the fact that your not reading my comments properly

The only confused ones on this are the ones that really want this new charge to be implemented, I find it strange how much some of you are fighting for this??

Donal can you please quote what I said regarding no one should pay there taxes???

Funny stuff....

black francis wrote: »

As I suspected - haven't got a clue have you?
Back to the t-shirts slogans with you.

As you suspected? I know as thing or two but there's very little point arguing with you now is there? You know it all by the sounds of it :cool:

mickydoomsux wrote: »

So you haven't got any sensible ideas then?

I do indeed, but lots of silly ones too


What I do know is that if enough people refuse to pay this tax, then it will force the issue and require the government to think about how we fund the running of this country and what we spend our fair and just taxes on.
It will make them realise that they are elected to represent all of the citizens of the country and not just a select few (and some of their apologetic acolytes).

Meeting in Sligo tomorrow night @ 8pm in the Glasshouse and I expect there to be plenty of people there too.

And btw the simplistic views that some have on the legislation and it's validity is not a reason to pay the tax. Even if you think it's really stupid.

Pete M. wrote: »

LOL that is truly hilarious indeed

You really seem to think that all of this lovely moula raised by the household tax is for local services.
Do you realise how much the local government fund has been reduced already? By way more than will be raised by their efforts.
And you think that it is even a minute possibility that commercial rates will be reduced significantly in the foreseeable future?

You're telling people opposed to the tax to get real and yet you are in La La land lad!

From reading the fair bit of rubbish on this forum I have confirmed the people here who want this charge are really in la la land and have no comprehension on reality and on the impact of this stupid new charge.

Question for the people on cloud 9 sorry I mean people for this new charge:

Hypothetically suppose in a few years all new taxes have been implemented and increased to around €1600/yr

(you might ask €1600?????? well according to the few for this charge, we the ones against this charge are bewildered and we are mad to think that the government can find other solutions so the only way out of this mess is to savagely increase taxes, sure its only €1600, we need to pay it for progress isnt that right???)

With mortgages, taxes, bills, bins, fuel etc there is nothing left and half the country would be running into debt, businesses everywhere collapsing job losses shoots up, how just how is this progress?????

Keep chipping away at a tree no matter how big it is and it will fall down, this is what people need to wake up to and realise the bigger picture!!

By us not paying this we are telling the government no not going to work this time move on to plan b!! Plan b being the implementation of money saving and money making alternatives. You ask how can we save money?? straight away look at prisons and the social welfare system? biggest waste of money ever for zero productivity never mention the other waste that goes on in government departments.

The reduction of the septic tank registration fee from €50 to €5 before the deadline is another fine example of the contempt in which we the people are held by this Government - do they really think we are so stupid as to fall for this 'once-in-a-lifetime' chance to save €45 whilst handing over our personal details for them to use as they see fit in screwing us out of more money in years to come?

I'd really love to know who thought that this ploy would work because if that is the level of intelligence in Fine Gael \ Labour then God help us.

Don't Register \ Don't Pay

Mr CJ wrote: »

From reading the fair bit of rubbish on this forum I have confirmed the people here who want this charge are really in la la land and have no comprehension on reality and on the impact of this stupid new charge.

Question for the people on cloud 9 sorry I mean people for this new charge:

Hypothetically suppose in a few years all new taxes have been implemented and increased to around €1600/yr

(you might ask €1600?????? well according to the few for this charge, we the ones against this charge are bewildered and we are mad to think that the government can find other solutions so the only way out of this mess is to savagely increase taxes, sure its only €1600, we need to pay it for progress isnt that right???)

With mortgages, taxes, bills, bins, fuel etc there is nothing left and half the country would be running into debt, businesses everywhere collapsing job losses shoots up, how just how is this progress?????

Keep chipping away at a tree no matter how big it is and it will fall down, this is what people need to wake up to and realise the bigger picture!!

By us not paying this we are telling the government no not going to work this time move on to plan b!! Plan b being the implementation of money saving and money making alternatives. You ask how can we save money?? straight away look at prisons and the social welfare system? biggest waste of money ever for zero productivity never mention the other waste that goes on in government departments.

If you want to speculate on what the charge will be in future years here is some possibly more informed speculation. Other people on here were saying €3000 or €4000 from scare stories they heard.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1221/breaking6.html

Us the 1.6 million who own our own houses are a diverse group and not everyone is on the breadline yet. The savings ratio in the country is above average and personal savings accounts total €100,000,000,000 at the moment. 85% of people still have a job and some are sailing along nicely in the middle of the recession. I don't think the militancy displayed on this forum will be reflected in the general populace. The best comparitor we have recently is the €200 NPPR (second homes) tax which 340,000 people are paying this last three years without much comment.

There must be a bit of money in the country if people can afford to drink this much (in the news today) and Paddy Powers top brass can afford to pay themselves over €1 million per year from gambling activity.

The average Irish adult consumed 11.9 litres of pure alcohol in 2010, equivalent to 482 pints of lager, 125 bottles of wine or 45 bottles of vodka.

Unless someone can guarantee to me that the law will be taken off the statute books I am not going to put myself outside the law and run up arrears for the sake of €100. Let next year and the year after take care of themselves. Other people can do what they like but as the owners of private houses they will bear consequences by defying the law and the campaigners will be long gone when some of these consequences come home to roost.

Mr CJ wrote: »

The sad thing is it will work in some cases.... just read the comments on this forum!! We are talking about the Irish here with there usual hands up in the air "ah sure what can ya do we just have to pay it... now how much do you want Enda????"

I do not have a septic tank so dont know much about them but what I can see is a new NCT or should I say NSTT with strict requirements down the road exactly like what they are doing with the NCT to this day. and this will be another massive hike in expenditure for the Irish person! But I can see this as clear as daylight but there are still the few that say ah its only a fiver nice one... ha

I'm not paying, I have a sCeptic tank.

K-9 wrote: »

Without getting into the slagging matches so beloved of this thread (all sides), welfare has to be cut, no doubt about it, still leads to less growth, less money spent in local shops (might as well mention pubs as it's AH!), the exact same thing a few posters are so worried about on here!

Just seems to be the whole left wing vs. right wing thing again. Cuts are good, raising taxes are evil thing! Both have huge consequences.

Ideally you'd cut taxes but between banks, lending and other things, it probably isn't going to work. The UK cutting VAT as a good example. People know we are in for a few years of this.

Many middle class families cannot afford this household charge despite what many say. People are borrowing from Credit Unions already to pay the increased education fees, car insurance, health insurance etc. All this while wages are decreasing and expenses like fuel and mortgages are rising.
They cannot get blood out of a stone. People are not just refusing to pay
THEY CAN'T PAY.

donalg1 wrote: »

Please be quiet pal. If you actually understood the context of that post it would be helpful however you see what you want to see and ignore everything else just like every other wally here. That post was in reference to the idiotic posts by others that think not paying this charge will generate huge revenue for local businesses which in turn will create a multitude of jobs and will end the recession!!! So basically not paying your taxes will end the recession!!!

So lol at that one and find that truly hilarious just like I did with your ridiculous puts son

Pal? Wally? Son?

I think not buddy...

You have your wobbly way of seeing things, I have mine.

Do you see the poll up there?Thats the one that counts round these here parts so