Luas Cross City (Line BX/D) [now open]

Muahahaha · 22-08-2015 10:09pm

monument wrote: »

Video: Liam Whelan / Fassaugh Road Bridge – Deck Replacement

https://www.luascrosscity.ie/news/liam-whelan-bridge-deck-replacement/

cool vid, never knew replacing a bridge would be done that way. I noticed in the video how some kids managed to get down underneath the bridge overnight and graffitti the underpass when it was freshly done. It didn't take them long to leave their mark there

Schadenfreudia · 22-08-2015 11:31pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

cool vid, never knew replacing a bridge would be done that way. I noticed in the video how some kids managed to get down underneath the bridge overnight and graffitti the underpass when it was freshly done. It didn't take them long to leave their mark there

Hopefully the "mark" will be removed asap.

Here in DLRCC they remove graffiti very rapidly - the tactic works.

FreudianSlippers · 24-08-2015 9:10am

Muahahaha wrote: »

It didn't take them long to leave their mark there

I wouldn't even care so much if it wasn't all such **** graffiti! Banksy these guys are definitely not.

LeinsterDub · 25-08-2015 11:14pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I wouldn't even care so much if it wasn't all such **** graffiti! Banksy these guys are definitely not.

Off topic but Banksy me arse. Why does he get to be a vandle just because he makes some social commentary in the process?

Schadenfreudia · 26-08-2015 12:07am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Off topic but Banksy me arse. Why does he get to be a vandle just because he makes some social commentary in the process?

He's a genius. Free pass.....but as you say, off topic.

CatInABox · 26-08-2015 12:36pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Off topic but Banksy me arse. Why does he get to be a vandle just because he makes some social commentary in the process?

If someone wanted to come along and add a £500,000 work of art to the side of my house, I'd make them a cup of tea to be honest.

Reuben1210 · 10-09-2015 12:24am

Anyone know when they will actually get moving on pouring foundations for the rail, and installing the tracks in the areas that are being dug-up at the moment?

MJohnston · 10-09-2015 9:50am

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Anyone know when they will actually get moving on pouring foundations for the rail, and installing the tracks in the areas that are being dug-up at the moment?

They're in that phase at the minute but it's probably the final part of the Main Infrastructure works:
https://www.luascrosscity.ie/whats-the-plan/timeline/

Muahahaha · 10-09-2015 3:32pm

Probably a dumb question but how do tram tracks intersect each other. Is there some sort of a points system on the track itself or do the trams just rumble over a tiny missing section where the tracks intersect each other?

FreudianSlippers · 10-09-2015 3:50pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Probably a dumb question but how do tram tracks intersect each other. Is there some sort of a points system on the track itself or do the trams just rumble over a tiny missing section where the tracks intersect each other?

Like on OCS where the Green/Red will intersect? I presume they'll be grand union junctions with "frog" junctions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbSmoUH1Cqk

theskeptic · 11-09-2015 10:24am

AFAIK the Luas Red and Green lines will cross each other at right angles - i.e. Luas passenger services will not cross over from one line to the other.

There are engineering links at Abbey St / O'Connell St and Abbey St / Marlborough St junctions - but presumably these will just be for transferring tram units across the lines (withOUT passengers).

Hint: add "/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/LCC-Route-Pack-Dawson-Northbound-Update.pdf" to end of luas cross city web site for details...

MJohnston · 11-09-2015 10:57am

theskeptic wrote: »

AFAIK the Luas Red and Green lines will cross each other at right angles - i.e. Luas passenger services will not cross over from one line to the other.

There are engineering links at Abbey St / O'Connell St and Abbey St / Marlborough St junctions - but presumably these will just be for transferring tram units across the lines (withOUT passengers).

Hint: add "/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/LCC-Route-Pack-Dawson-Northbound-Update.pdf" to end of luas cross city web site for details...

Interesting that they have those links though, that's the first I've seen them mentioned (I originally thought there would be zero connection at all between the lines other than a crossover) - I wonder how much turnaround flexibility that could provide in the result of road closures, security alerts etc.

cgcsb · 11-09-2015 11:03am

There are turn around facilities at Smithfield, Connolly, Stephen's Green and there'll be a new one on the top of Parnell Street.

MJohnston · 11-09-2015 11:13am

cgcsb wrote: »

There are turn around facilities at Smithfield, Connolly, Stephen's Green and there'll be a new one on the top of Parnell Street.

I'm sure it'll be vital given the amount of closures in that area due to protest marches.

LXFlyer · 11-09-2015 12:07pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Interesting that they have those links though, that's the first I've seen them mentioned (I originally thought there would be zero connection at all between the lines other than a crossover) - I wonder how much turnaround flexibility that could provide in the result of road closures, security alerts etc.

They'll only be used for swapping trams between lines to get to/from depots.

The detailed plans for the line have been in the public domain since before the public enquiry.

There will be a turnback siding on St Stephen's Green North, northbound trams will be able to turn around at Parnell Street, and there will be a crossover on Dominic Street allowing southbound trams turn back there.

Dardania · 11-09-2015 12:42pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Interesting that they have those links though, that's the first I've seen them mentioned (I originally thought there would be zero connection at all between the lines other than a crossover) - I wonder how much turnaround flexibility that could provide in the result of road closures, security alerts etc.

I was curious about this myself lately - if you look at the alignment drawings:

https://www.luascrosscity.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/LCC-Route-Pack-Dawson-Northbound-Update.pdf page 4, as theskeptic says

you can see heading northbound on o'connell street; there's a left turn for the greenline to go west bound on the red line (and conversely, if one is going westbound on the redline, it allows you to go North on the greenline)

and similarly, on marlborough street, if a luas heads southbound, it goes onto the red line eastbound (and conversely if one is heading westbound on the red line, it allows you to go southbound on the green line with a turnback)

Conceivably, this would allow the greenline from stephens green to serve hueston, tallaght etc. directly, and busaras if they use the oconnell street loop

and would allow the redline from busaras serve broombridge, and sandyford etc via the O'connell street loop

a PITA, but possible

FreudianSlippers · 11-09-2015 1:52pm

theskeptic wrote: »

AFAIK the Luas Red and Green lines will cross each other at right angles - i.e. Luas passenger services will not cross over from one line to the other.

There are engineering links at Abbey St / O'Connell St and Abbey St / Marlborough St junctions - but presumably these will just be for transferring tram units across the lines (withOUT passengers).

Hint: add "/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/LCC-Route-Pack-Dawson-Northbound-Update.pdf" to end of luas cross city web site for details...

https://www.luascrosscity.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/LCC-Route-Pack-Dawson-Northbound-Update.pdf

Having looked there, they don't look like right angles to me?

loyatemu · 11-09-2015 2:33pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

https://www.luascrosscity.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/LCC-Route-Pack-Dawson-Northbound-Update.pdf

Having looked there, they don't look like right angles to me?

It is on O'Connell Street:

markpb · 11-09-2015 3:38pm

Dardania wrote: »

Conceivably, this would allow the greenline from stephens green to serve hueston, tallaght etc. directly, and busaras if they use the oconnell street loop

and would allow the redline from busaras serve broombridge, and sandyford etc via the O'connell street loop

a PITA, but possible

The RPA have publicly said that those links will only be used for stock movement, not for passenger services.

Dardania · 11-09-2015 3:44pm

markpb wrote: »

The RPA have publicly said that those links will only be used for stock movement, not for passenger services.

curious why this is the case - is it for simplicity of their network? Seems an opportunity is present to take advantage here

loyatemu · 11-09-2015 4:00pm

Dardania wrote: »

curious why this is the case - is it for simplicity of their network? Seems an opportunity is present to take advantage here

for simplicity - what you gain in extra route options you lose in frequency on the direct routes. Simpler to just allow passengers to transfer at Abbey St.

1huge1 · 11-09-2015 6:06pm

loyatemu wrote: »

for simplicity - what you gain in extra route options you lose in frequency on the direct routes. Simpler to just allow passengers to transfer at Abbey St.

Plus, with the Leap card, the transfer would be seamless

LXFlyer · 11-09-2015 6:53pm

1huge1 wrote: »

Plus, with the Leap card, the transfer would be seamless

LEAP fares are already zonal based so with or without a LEAP card it makes no difference. You can already buy a ticket from a green line stop to a red line stop as it is.

The LEAP fare will be cheaper though.

AngryLips · 12-09-2015 8:53pm

Call me a cynic but I'm guessing the Luas central zone will be further divided up on completion of BXD to squeeze more profits out of users.

Schadenfreudia · 13-09-2015 12:42am

AngryLips wrote: »

Call me a cynic but I'm guessing the Luas central zone will be further divided up on completion of BXD to squeeze more profits out of users.

You're a cynic!

LXFlyer · 13-09-2015 2:05am

AngryLips wrote: »

Call me a cynic but I'm guessing the Luas central zone will be further divided up on completion of BXD to squeeze more profits out of users.

I don't think that will happen, but I'd expect a new zone for stops north of Broadstone.

FreudianSlippers · 14-09-2015 9:18am

loyatemu wrote: »

It is on O'Connell Street:

Sorry, but I see very clear non-right angles there as they do not bisect at 90deg.

LXFlyer · 14-09-2015 9:37am

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Sorry, but I see very clear non-right angles there as they do not bisect at 90deg.

And what is your point?

There are plenty of railway crossings that are not at precise right angles.

It's not exactly unusual and is hardly a big deal.

FreudianSlippers · 14-09-2015 9:45am

lxflyer wrote: »

And what is your point?

There are plenty of railway crossings that are not at precise right angles.

It's not exactly unusual and is hardly a big deal.

Maybe you missed something. Someone suggested the junction was a right angle and I simply just said that it was incorrect. To which a picture was provided as proof that they crossed at right angles (when it clearly seems to show that is not correct).

I'm a bit surprised at your suggestion that there is such a thing as a non-"precise right angle"; it's like being a little bit pregnant, you are or you aren't.

AFAIK the nature of the angle with which the tracks meet is important when considering the junction type - which is why we're discussing the track junctions at all.

Keyzer · 14-09-2015 9:48am

That video of the bridge is awesome.

My father law grew up around there, just sent him the link, he'll be delighted.

LXFlyer · 14-09-2015 9:50am

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Maybe you missed something. Someone suggested the junction was a right angle and I simply just said that it was incorrect. To which a picture was provided as proof that they crossed at right angles (when it clearly seems to show that is not correct).

I'm a bit surprised at your suggestion that there is such a thing as a non-"precise right angle"; it's like being a little bit pregnant, you are or you aren't.

AFAIK the nature of the angle with which the tracks meet is important when considering the junction type - which is why we're discussing the track junctions at all.

I couldn't care less whether it is at right angles or not - it makes no difference to providing a crossover across the tracks.

I wasn't being precise in my language - you really are taking this too literally.

The bottom line is that there was space for one connection at either junction.

After the original plans were shelved, there was never any plan to have trams switching between lines operationally, so the whole discussion is somewhat moot.

They are only ever going to be used for our of service movements where, for example, trams need to be transferred between depots.

Reuben1210 · 28-10-2015 2:02pm

The section where fleet st meets weadmoreland st has been reopened with the tram tracks installed in the road...can't attach a picture using the boards app however...

Reuben1210 · 28-10-2015 2:03pm

The junction of Fleet st. And Westmoreland st. has been reopened with the tracks installed in the road.

I can't upload the photo I took this morning on this app for boards though

MJohnston · 28-10-2015 2:23pm

Reuben1210 wrote: »

The junction of Fleet st. And Westmoreland st. has been reopened with the tracks installed in the road.

I can't upload the photo I took this morning on this app for boards though

Stick it on http://imgur.com/

Reuben1210 · 28-10-2015 3:29pm

Do I need to set up an account, upload it to it, and then link it across?

MJohnston · 28-10-2015 3:34pm

Imgur will let you upload without an account, there is probably an Android/iOS app too

Reuben1210 · 29-10-2015 12:10am

MJohnston wrote: »

Imgur will let you upload without an account, there is probably an Android/iOS app too

Finally could do it on the mac!

So, finally tangible evidence of progress...

Jamie2k9 · 29-10-2015 12:11am

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Finally could do it on the mac!

Safe to assume the tar around the track is temp until proper stone is laid?

Reuben1210 · 29-10-2015 12:18am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Safe to assume the tar around the track is temp until proper stone is laid?

Yeah, I was thinking that myself looking at it. though not all of the LUAS line along harcourt street is stone...

Jamie2k9 · 29-10-2015 1:34am

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Yeah, I was thinking that myself looking at it. though not all of the LUAS line along harcourt street is stone...

Yeah maybe but to me it doesn't look like long term tar.

Schadenfreudia · 02-11-2015 2:22am

Came across one whopper of an oxymoron on the Transport Ireland website

The Luas network consists of two separate lines

http://www.tii.ie/light-rail/luas/red-and-green/index.xml

ongarboy · 09-11-2015 1:08pm

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Finally could do it on the mac!

So, finally tangible evidence of progress...

I'm pretty certain I also spotted a small section of newly laid tracks on O'Connell Street north of the Spire when I drove past in the dark the other night.

cgcsb · 09-11-2015 1:15pm

track is down north of the spire, it also looks like they're getting some track into the dominick st section soon.

Brasso · 10-11-2015 3:39am

I got an email to say "rail deliveries" will be taking place around college green over the next few nights until Thursday and then again from Sunday until next Thursday(19th).

NyOmnishambles · 11-11-2015 4:45pm

cgcsb wrote: »

track is down north of the spire, it also looks like they're getting some track into the dominick st section soon.

I would imagine so, they are digging the sh!te out of that area currently and carting away tons of material

Paddico · 12-11-2015 3:48pm

Can any tell what is the scheduled opening date?

cgcsb · 12-11-2015 3:49pm

Dec 2017/Jan 2018 provided no hiccups. The govt might insist on a few additional delays around Easter Time for the rising celebrations.

Idbatterim · 19-11-2015 6:09pm

with the absolute disaster that is the m50, can many people see people taking dart to Tara Street, then few minute walk to southbound stop at trinity and then taking Luas to dundrum, sandyford, leopardstown, cherrywood etc?

Alternatively coach from northside, using port tunnel, down quays and let them off at rosey hackett bridge and can walk one minute to marlborough street southbound stop...

Muahahaha · 19-11-2015 6:22pm

its an interesting point. I wonder what the time difference is going Swords to Sandyford via m50 vs. taking the Swords Express through the port tunnel and then Luas to Sandyford during rush hour. I'd imagine driving would probably be quicker but with the m50 getting more and more packed the time difference is likely getting smaller

MJohnston · 19-11-2015 6:41pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

its an interesting point. I wonder what the time difference is going Swords to Sandyford via m50 vs. taking the Swords Express through the port tunnel and then Luas to Sandyford during rush hour. I'd imagine driving would probably be quicker but with the m50 getting more and more packed the time difference is likely getting smaller

Time difference isn't the only factor, public transport is about 500% better for your blood pressure, fact

Luas Cross City (Line BX/D) [now open]

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