National Postcodes to be introduced

Carawaystick · 15-04-2015 12:12pm

ukoda wrote: »

Yes it is. What's your point?

If Ireland is in Europe, then by the same logic, the Canaries and Mayotte are in Africa.

They're all islands off the mainland continent.

ukoda · 15-04-2015 12:17pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

If Ireland is in Europe, then by the same logic, the Canaries and Mayotte are in Africa.

They're all islands off the mainland continent.

Alaska is closer to Russia than the United States.... Is Alaska in Russia? Maybe it's in Canada?

We've been over this, it's part of the European Union and is included in Garmins Europe maps. As it rightly should be.

SpaceTime · 15-04-2015 12:21pm

Australia is in the Eurovision

dr.fuzzenstein · 15-04-2015 1:35pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

Australia is in the Eurovision

In future we'll have galactic post codes.

larchill · 15-04-2015 1:41pm

oscarBravo wrote: »

D24 people will have a D24 routing code; D16 people will have a D16 routing code. Nothing for anyone to get upset about. In fact, there's exactly one exception to the letter-digit-digit format of the routing code just for D6W.

As an aside: take this as an insight into why the blithe "tell more than half the people in the country that their address will be changing completely" approach espoused by some in this thread is utterly unrealistic.

Wonder what the Routing Codes for the rest of the country will be like. D is Dublin - will it be regionalised or what? A North West, B, the West, etc.

ukoda · 15-04-2015 1:48pm

larchill wrote: »

Wonder what the Routing Codes for the rest of the country will be like. D is Dublin - will it be regionalised or what? A North West, B, the West, etc.

I think they said randomn outside of the Dublin ones, to keep the Irish language people happy.

15-04-2015 6:38pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

In future we'll have galactic post codes.

Maybe we could base it on SNMP OID MIBs which means that the "postcode" would look something like this!

.1.4.2.6.7.45.34.7.8.1.8.5.0 P Smith

Carawaystick · 15-04-2015 10:22pm

What's the query for latitude/longitude in the eircode file? Is it GEOGRAPHIC or
GEODIRECTORY_LOOKUP ?
What's the positional resolution?
I know of 2 rural semi-d cottages with the doors beside each other, so if the doors are 3' and a jack wall of 1', the letterboxes are 4' apart

How will those addresses get their eircodes delivered correctly? if the eircode delivery person stands slouching to their favoured side, the separation will be lower, and the likelihood of error greater.

When is the geodirectory going to be updated with the latest postal addresses before the eircodes are sent out?

15-04-2015 10:37pm

ukoda wrote: »

What actually makes you think it won't launch?

Like, the product is built, An Post say they will be ready in May with all their systems, the pricing is published, the draft DP stuff is approved, the budget / money for a launch is there....

What is going to stop it? And I'm genuinely asking the question, what are the barriers people think could stop the launch?

There seem to be enough "legal" issues that could potentially delay it, but having said that It would probably go ahead, I just wouldn't bet the house on it.

Carawaystick · 15-04-2015 11:22pm

There's a lack of transparency to the whole thing, it was meant to launch before the end of this month, not its delayed. But we have no idea if the highly capitalised tender winner will be penalised for the delay, or if the original end of April date was optomistic, or anything really.

I guess we know Denis O'Brien isnt involved, as it would never happen then....

ukoda · 15-04-2015 11:36pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

What's the query for latitude/longitude in the eircode file? Is it GEOGRAPHIC or
GEODIRECTORY_LOOKUP ?
What's the positional resolution?
I know of 2 rural semi-d cottages with the doors beside each other, so if the doors are 3' and a jack wall of 1', the letterboxes are 4' apart

How will those addresses get their eircodes delivered correctly? if the eircode delivery person stands slouching to their favoured side, the separation will be lower, and the likelihood of error greater.

When is the geodirectory going to be updated with the latest postal addresses before the eircodes are sent out?

If you read the product guide it will answer all those questions for you.

The geo's are centroid. So the coordinates don't point to the letter box, they point to the centre of the building.

It would really be a worth while exercise for people to have a proper read of the product guide.

Carawaystick · 16-04-2015 10:10am

The product guide seems not to be freely available. I can not agree to all of the terms and conditions capita want me to to register to download the product guide. Particularily

eircodeTermsAndConditions wrote:

post content or initiate communications which are ... embarrassing to any other person as determined by us in our sole discretion

Eircode embarrass themselves by failing to deliver their advertised services on time

Sam Russell · 16-04-2015 12:47pm

... embarrassing to any other person as determined by us in our sole discretion.

Judge and jury in their own case.

Jakey Rolling · 16-04-2015 1:46pm

So, another courier delivery today, arrived after the usual couple of phone calls to find our house by a process of iteration - turn at the old church, pass the cottage with the green door and mad terrier etc.

Me "So these new postcodes will be a great help to you"
Courier "Wha?"
Me "They'll give you the exact location on your SatNav "
Courier "Don't want to get one of them, I'd be forever stopping to look at directions. I'd rather phone for directions"

There's no helping some people!

dr.fuzzenstein · 16-04-2015 1:56pm

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

So, another courier delivery today, arrived after the usual couple of phone calls to find our house by a process of iteration - turn at the old church, pass the cottage with the green door and mad terrier etc.

Me "So these new postcodes will be a great help to you"
Courier "Wha?"
Me "They'll give you the exact location on your SatNav "
Courier "Don't want to get one of them, I'd be forever stopping to look at directions. I'd rather phone for directions"

There's no helping some people!

To some people they will be useless. They're easily spotted. Mid 60's, glasses still from the old health board, Father Jack sense of style, usually found driving in the middle of the road at 60 km/h. The type of person who thinks that the VHS recorder and fax machines are the zenith of technology and they haven't caught on to all that compuuuther malarkey and shure it's only rubbish anyway. "Who needs a computer when I can fix my old Escort with a hammer, a pliers, a rusty screwdriver and baling twine!"
Sometimes found at steam rallies saying "Oh, the new one is out!"

MBSnr · 16-04-2015 2:03pm

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

So, another courier delivery today, arrived after the usual couple of phone calls to find our house by a process of iteration - turn at the old church, pass the cottage with the green door and mad terrier etc.

Me "So these new postcodes will be a great help to you"
Courier "Wha?"
Me "They'll give you the exact location on your SatNav "
Courier "Don't want to get one of them, I'd be forever stopping to look at directions. I'd rather phone for directions"

There's no helping some people!

Genius.... Presumably he has an idea where he's going before he rings (it's not like he's on the East coast phoning you on the West coast) so he'd only need to look at it for the last mile or so. If he works for a courier company, it's likely they would look to invest in them for their drivers. It's a catch-22. Postcodes don't exist as yet so he can't see the benefit of them in his job....

irishgeo · 16-04-2015 11:34pm

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

So, another courier delivery today, arrived after the usual couple of phone calls to find our house by a process of iteration - turn at the old church, pass the cottage with the green door and mad terrier etc.

Me "So these new postcodes will be a great help to you"
Courier "Wha?"
Me "They'll give you the exact location on your SatNav "
Courier "Don't want to get one of them, I'd be forever stopping to look at directions. I'd rather phone for directions"

There's no helping some people!

doesnt he realise they speak the directions.

Sam Russell · 17-04-2015 9:33am

irishgeo wrote: »

doesnt he realise they speak the directions.

Perhaps he doesn't speak English.

L1011 · 17-04-2015 10:10am

Someone is doing market research on whether people know about Eircode, how well they've been informed and whether they're pro/anti them. Could be Capita, the Department or a losing bidder for all I know.

dr.fuzzenstein · 17-04-2015 10:52am

L1011 wrote: »

Someone is doing market research on whether people know about Eircode, how well they've been informed and whether they're pro/anti them. Could be Capita, the Department or a losing bidder for all I know.

I'd say 90% don't know and couldn't give a sh*te.

Sam Russell · 17-04-2015 11:40am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'd say 90% don't know and couldn't give a sh*te.

I'd say the other 10% do know and think it's sh*te.

dr.fuzzenstein · 17-04-2015 11:48am

Sam Russell wrote: »

I'd say the other 10% do know and think it's sh*te.

Not as sh*te as what we currently have:

Sam Spud
The Boreen Road
The Arsehole of Nowhere
Co Cavan

Sam Russell · 17-04-2015 12:51pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Not as sh*te as what we currently have:

Sam Spud
The Boreen Road
The Arsehole of Nowhere
Co Cavan

Maybe, but we could have done so much better. Poor design, and not meeting any of the design goals set. And not even launching on time, after decades of kicking the can (of worms) down the road..

marmurr1916 · 18-04-2015 11:13pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

Perhaps he doesn't speak English.

Might be a bit difficult for him to phone for directions then.

Courier "Don't want to get one of them, I'd be forever stopping to look at directions. I'd rather phone for directions"

At least with a satnav, you can choose the language.

a postere · 18-04-2015 11:14pm

Are postcodes not dead in the water thanks to the Irish Water fiasco and an election coming up ?

marmurr1916 · 18-04-2015 11:21pm

seamus wrote: »

Funny we were discussing this at home last night, the only thing I can see scuppering a May launch is the fact that the general public is not aware of it. Nobody I know is aware of this.
And there are a lot of people in Dublin going to be very upset about losing their postcode, we'll see people writing "Dublin 6W" and "Dublin 4" as their address before their eircode for years to come.

I live right on the border between D24 and D16 which means there's a good chance we'll all share the same routing code. There'll be a lot of upset people about it.

Someone in the Dail will get angry calls from their Donnybrook constituents and will try to call a halt to the whole thing.

The routing code part of Dublin Eircodes will be based on the existing Dublin postal districts.

If you live in Dublin 24 now, the first part of your Eircode will be D24. If you live in Dublin 4 now, the first part of your Eircode wil be D04, etc, etc. Even Dublin 6W will be retained.

marmurr1916 · 18-04-2015 11:24pm

a postere wrote: »

Are postcodes not dead in the water thanks to the Irish Water fiasco and an election coming up ?

Have there been large public marches protesting against the introduction of Eircodes?

Are any of the political parties making an issue of Eircodes? Are any of them them opposed to Eircodes?

The next general election will be held about one year from now, in the spring of 2016.

dr.fuzzenstein · 18-04-2015 11:32pm

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Have there been large public marches protesting against the introduction of Eircodes?

Are any of the political parties making an issue of Eircodes? Are any of them them opposed to Eircodes?

The next general election will be held about one year from now, in the spring of 2016.

Right. If there's a holdup, it's due to the usual laziness, incompetence and lack of funding. Unless it's something big and glittering to garner votes, the Irish government (no matter who that may be) couldn't give a flying sh*te.
They just want big, glittery shiny campaigns to get votes and if the country actually works it's juts a happy coincidence. None of them cares a fig beyond their own arse.

a postere · 19-04-2015 12:15am

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Have there been large public marches protesting against the introduction of Eircodes?

Are any of the political parties making an issue of Eircodes? Are any of them them opposed to Eircodes?

The next general election will be held about one year from now, in the spring of 2016.

What about the question I asked ?

irishgeo · 19-04-2015 11:01am

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Have there been large public marches protesting against the introduction of Eircodes?

Are any of the political parties making an issue of Eircodes? Are any of them them opposed to Eircodes?

The next general election will be held about one year from now, in the spring of 2016.

it will make the delivery of election crap much easier:D

dashcamdanny · 19-04-2015 11:38am

a postere wrote: »

Are postcodes not dead in the water thanks to the Irish Water fiasco and an election coming up ?

No.

Irish water have nothing to do with postcodes. It will make your bill find the right home though, but it will also make your deliveries arrive to the correct house.

In a world drivin by online markets in the future, it is essential for your home to be located .
Driving around a townland looking for Mrs Browns house is not acceptable for delivery companies anymore.

Time to bring us out of the stone age.

marmurr1916 · 19-04-2015 10:23pm

a postere wrote: »

What about the question I asked ?

What about it? :rolleyes:

paulbok · 22-04-2015 9:08am

does anyone know when the final decision/ piece of legislation/ whatever is needed, is due to be made?
It must be very soon if the roll out is scheduled for June.

SpaceTime · 22-04-2015 12:02pm

irishgeo wrote: »

it will make the delivery of election crap much easier:D

Election marketing's about as non-targeted as it comes! They just push unaddressed junk through every letterbox.

Although to be honest, I'm not that annoyed by electoral stuff as a lot of people aren't really reachable any other way.

It's more the large wad of supermarket fliers I get through the door all the time that I never read and I put straight into the recycle bin. Also, huge catalogues from a certain stationary company that keep arriving no matter what I do.

Targeted marketing at least might be a bit more relevant than just chucking a huge pile of paper through a letterbox and hoping it's vaguely of interest to someone inside.

It's environmentally less damaging too if it's at least focused.

recedite · 22-04-2015 6:56pm

paulbok wrote: »

does anyone know when the final decision/ piece of legislation/ whatever is needed, is due to be made?
It must be very soon if the roll out is scheduled for June.

Ah yes, it'll be any day now.
Try this link

..Minister Ryan said he expects new postal codes with digits and letters to be introduced in 2011.
In 2005, the then Minister for Communications, Noel Dempsey, promised a new system by 2008.

Oops! that one is out of date

Lets see if we can find another...

John Joe Jones · 23-04-2015 5:30pm

pro eircode propaganda piece on RTE 1 television now saying it will be the best in the world blah blah blah

ukoda · 23-04-2015 5:37pm

John Joe Jones wrote: »

pro eircode propaganda piece on RTE 1 television now saying it will be the best in the world blah blah blah

Anymore details? A TV ad? Discussion on a particular show? News item?

John Joe Jones · 23-04-2015 6:07pm

ukoda wrote: »

Anymore details? A TV ad? Discussion on a particular show? News item?

Discussion on the today show

yuloni · 23-04-2015 8:36pm

This post has been deleted.

recedite · 23-04-2015 9:04pm

yuloni wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Is Daithi keeping one of the tablets for himself, because he says you get a chance to win ONE of them.
These guys are really pulling out all the stops now, no expense spared

ukoda · 23-04-2015 9:08pm

yuloni wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Browsing the comments and theres a lot of positive ones, "badly needed" "can't wait" and the likes

And appearing on TV shows is part of "thier own" marketing, it's called PR and as a result 700+ people (so far) have shared this to their Facebook newsfeed, meaning eircode have reached 1000's (probably 10,000's) of people with a pro eircode message... Yeah they really made a bollix of it didn't they....

dr.fuzzenstein · 23-04-2015 9:10pm

recedite wrote: »

Is Daithi keeping one of the tablets for himself, because he says you get a chance to win ONE of them.
These guys are really pulling out all the stops now, no expense spared

There'll be a half an hour segment on the Late Late next. Which is probably more entertaining than the usual bile they have on there. It's slowly turning into the Krusty the Clown show without the funny bits. Why am I saying slowly? It has been dire for years now.

a65b2cd · 24-04-2015 1:13pm

yuloni wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

He said notification to addresses starting early June and completed by end June, imminent now

ukoda · 24-04-2015 1:19pm

Was just thinking that the 2 presenters basically reacted to eircode the same way the rest of the country will

Yay I'll be easier to find
Great no more entering 00000 in the postcode field on Amazon/eBay etc
No more embarrassment I don't have a postcode
Emergency services will find be faster

Etc etc.

Like I predicted before. No one will give a flying **** if its hierarchical or not. They'll be told this is your postcode and away they'll go using it wherever they can.

Sorry lads but your doomsday prediction of the code failing and no one using it is falling apart.

dr.fuzzenstein · 24-04-2015 1:45pm

ukoda wrote: »

Was just thinking that the 2 presenters basically reacted to eircode the same way the rest of the country will

Yay I'll be easier to find
Great no more entering 00000 in the postcode field on Amazon/eBay etc
No more embarrassment I don't have a postcode
Emergency services will find be faster

Etc etc.

Like I predicted before. No one will give a flying **** if its hierarchical or not. They'll be told this is your postcode and away they'll go using it wherever they can.

Sorry lads but your doomsday prediction of the code failing and no one using it is falling apart.

Unless the letter of notification gets lost in the post. :P
On a personal note, yay! Postcodes! I might finally get my letters.

OssianSmyth · 24-04-2015 3:12pm

I have published the latest versions of the technical spec for the Eircode Address Database and the Eircode Address File for you to download.

murpho999 · 25-04-2015 12:40am

John Joe Jones wrote: »

pro eircode propaganda piece on RTE 1 television now saying it will be the best in the world blah blah blah

yuloni wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Seriousy what's with the negative posting.

Whether you like the code or not , its not in crisis like you doomsayers like to make out that it is and it's normal that they would go on TV to promote the launch and make people aware of it as the launch time nears. Unlike the anoraks on here (with their hoods up of course to protect their precious privacy that Eircode is going to destroy!) the majority of people are not aware they are getting a postcode.

recedite wrote: »

Is Daithi keeping one of the tablets for himself, because he says you get a chance to win ONE of them.
These guys are really pulling out all the stops now, no expense spared

As an entrant can only win one tablet and not both so there will be two winners....simple really.

recedite · 25-04-2015 10:29am

murpho999 wrote: »

As an entrant can only win one tablet and not both so there will be two winners....simple really.

Unless Daithi enters the competition under a different name, and then awards himself the tablet. Then there is only one winner.

A bit like like the way those who designed the government postcode tender were also bidding for it, and against all odds managed to win it

But as they said afterwards, it would have been a pity to let all their "expertise" be wasted, just because of a minor conflict of interest.

ukoda · 25-04-2015 10:50am

recedite wrote: »

Unless Daithi enters the competition under a different name, and then awards himself the tablet. Then there is only one winner.

A bit like like the way those who designed the government postcode tender were also bidding for it, and against all odds managed to win it

But as they said afterwards, it would have been a pity to let all their "expertise" be wasted, just because of a minor conflict of interest.

And let's just hope that another brand of tablet dont throw their toys out of the pram and start a hate campaign because their tablet wasn't picked for the competition.

ukoda · 27-04-2015 9:53am

Launch seems to be ramping up, good few news articles today about "you'll be gettin your postcode soon"

National Postcodes to be introduced

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