reseeding

triggerharvey · 09-04-2014 11:17am #1

going reseeding later in the year was thinking of spraying of and then stitching in with one pass is it a good job

f140 · 09-04-2014 11:42am

i strongly believe nothing beats the plough for reeseding. about three years ago I tried discing the field twice and set with the one pass. the field is still only average to grow. ph is perfect and level 4s for p+k so no problem there.
anything I ever ploughed on my ground turned out a mighty job.

Greengrass1 · 09-04-2014 11:45am

f140 wrote: »

i strongly believe nothing beats the plough for reeseding. about three years ago I tried discing the field twice and set with the one pass. the field is still only average to grow. ph is perfect and level 4s for p+k so no problem there.
anything I ever ploughed on my ground turned out a mighty job.

Ye its more of a case of finding what suits your ground. I've ploughed ground here for reseeding and its worked well.
Also disced and worked equally as good if not better as it has a lot of nutrients to get at.

I said · 09-04-2014 12:49pm

Did the disc and power harrow route here mighty job

jd06 · 09-04-2014 1:04pm

Could you power harrow without discing

MfMan · 09-04-2014 1:47pm

Or disc without power-harrowing? Was thinking about getting a 2nd hand harrow and doing my own reseeding, but man told me the MF 390 would scarcely work it; he said you really need 6 cylinders plus plenty of weight to run a power harrow properly.

mf2909 · 09-04-2014 10:59pm

i have 3m lely power harrow on 4wd 390 and its not hard worked. i used heavier power harrows and except for the weight of them i worked them sound. thing with harrow is you dont go deep to start. hard to beat 390

Muckit · 10-04-2014 12:15am

What's the difference between a power harrow and a stone burier?

td5man · 10-04-2014 8:50am

Muckit wrote: »

What's the difference between a power harrow and a stone burier?

a stoneburier is a rotavator running in the opposite direction
one here with tractor and driver for hire. :-)

simx · 10-04-2014 9:02am

Sprayed off ground yesterday that was stitched in the fall and didn't work out, going to go the power harrow and seed route this time, would I be better to disc first?

noworries2004 · 10-04-2014 9:58am

Whats the best Grass seed for grazing at the moment?

severeoversteer · 27-07-2014 10:54pm

td5man wrote: »

a stoneburier is a rotavator running in the opposite direction
one here with tractor and driver for hire. :-)

how stoney is too stoney for one of those stone buriers??

td5man · 27-07-2014 11:00pm

severeoversteer wrote: »

how stoney is too stoney for one of those stone buriers??

You need a bit of soil to cover the stones, it Bury anything bigger than about 3 inches or flat stones.
A stone rake or a digger with a rake could be a better option if it's very stoney

severeoversteer · 27-07-2014 11:12pm

td5man wrote: »

You need a bit of soil to cover the stones, it Bury anything bigger than about 3 inches or flat stones.
A stone rake or a digger with a rake could be a better option if it's very stoney

I have an outfarm that is very dry and has been used to outwinter cattle, I got it in my head to make one big silage field out of it of over 30 acres but the land is uneven and stoney from neglect so at the moment I am thinking use a heavy disc then a light mounted disc harrow then I might buy a stone rake and use my digger to gather up the rows of stones

Parishlad · 28-07-2014 3:48pm

severeoversteer wrote: »

I have an outfarm that is very dry and has been used to outwinter cattle, I got it in my head to make one big silage field out of it of over 30 acres but the land is uneven and stoney from neglect so at the moment I am thinking use a heavy disc then a light mounted disc harrow then I might buy a stone rake and use my digger to gather up the rows of stones

What kind of stone rake are you talking about? Is it one of the power rakes that basically fires all the stone out to the side in a row or i've also seen yokes just like a big rake on 3 pt linkage? Have cleared some land recently and just can't find the time to get all the stones picked. Trying to find something to hire (or potentially buy) in the Clare area.

frazzledhome · 28-07-2014 6:25pm

New seeds, drilled 15/5.

Greengrass1 · 28-07-2014 6:42pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

New seeds, drilled 15/5.

Lovely stuff.

Brown Podzol · 28-07-2014 6:48pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

New seeds, drilled 15/5.

What yield do you expect?. Lovely thick looking crop. Direct drilled? What varieties and is it for cutting or grazing? Apologies for all the questions.

frazzledhome · 29-07-2014 12:08am

Brown Podzol wrote: »

What yield do you expect?. Lovely thick looking crop. Direct drilled? What varieties and is it for cutting or grazing? Apologies for all the questions.

In the door now

About 4 tonne dm per ha or 4 fresh bakes to the acre. Will tedd twice and bake Wed

Drilled into barley stubble, Roundup, 1 pass of power harrow, 3* 10/10/20, 2 tonne lime, sown with one pass, ring rolled, post emerge spray, 60 units Cut Sward

It's mainly for silage but will be grazed also

Castlehill from Sinclair Magill. Wouldn't be my choice but landlord supplies so I won't refuse. We set 60 acres of it when we went there in 2912, grows some crops.

Ps, this field has been in tillage for years so not expecting wonders for a while!!

nhg · 29-07-2014 6:07am

frazzledhome wrote: »

In the door now

Drilled into barley stubble, Roundup, 1 pass of power harrow, 3* 10/10/20, 2 tonne lime, sown with one pass, ring rolled, post emerge spray, 60 units Cut Sward

It's mainly for silage but will be grazed also

Castlehill from Sinclair Magill. Wouldn't be my choice but landlord supplies so I won't refuse. We set 60 acres of it when we went there in 2912, grows some crops.

What would be your choice of seed, used Gold Tooth on reseed last year, worked out well, we were recommended castle hill Sinclair Magill this yr but hear that it doesn't preform in the long term, (one cut of pit silage & grazing for bullocks)

frazzledhome · 29-07-2014 8:56am

nhg wrote: »

What would be your choice of seed, used Gold Tooth on reseed last year, worked out well, we were recommended castle hill Sinclair Magill this yr but hear that it doesn't preform in the long term, (one cut of pit silage & grazing for bullocks)

Glanbia Mastercrop extend. It's Tyrella, Abergain and Aberchoice.

You'll need to be on your game to control it ie grazing every 12-15 days in heavy growth

Robson99 · 29-07-2014 8:00pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Glanbia Mastercrop extend. It's Tyrella, Abergain and Aberchoice.

You'll need to be on your game to control it ie grazing every 12-15 days in heavy growth

Did anyone ever use Turbo from Sinclair McGill ?? Supposed to be very good

stanflt · 29-07-2014 10:18pm

spread dung on 8acres today- used a maschio stubble incorp to prepare the groumd

run of the land leveller and then seeding

hoing with

3kg tyrella
5.5kg aston energy
3kg glenveagh
1kg crusador clover

Coonagh · 30-07-2014 1:48pm

stanflt wrote: »

spread dung on 8acres today- used a maschio stubble incorp to prepare the groumd

run of the land leveller and then seeding

hoing with

3kg tyrella
5.5kg aston energy
3kg glenveagh
1kg crusador clover

I set that exact mixture minus the clover 5 weeks ago, grazed some of it this morning, massive leaf in it I'd say it will be the business for grazing ground.

Greengrass1 · 30-07-2014 1:53pm

Coonagh wrote: »

I set that exact mixture minus the clover 5 weeks ago, grazed some of it this morning, massive leaf in it I'd say it will be the business for grazing ground.

Set the same here this april. Grazed it 3 timed in last 6 weeks. Super stuff

mahoney_j · 30-07-2014 6:25pm

6 kg tyrella
4 kg abberchoice
4 kg Aston energy
No clover
Been set next Tuesday.gives a really thick sward with good all season growth.set same mix for last 2 years .very impressed.ob the Aston energy can anyone tell me why it ain't on the Irish approved list??.grows very well in greenfield and know 2 other guys that set it as a stand alone mix and massively impressed

Coonagh · 30-07-2014 7:25pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

6 kg tyrella
4 kg abberchoice
4 kg Aston energy
No clover
Been set next Tuesday.gives a really thick sward with good all season growth.set same mix for last 2 years .very impressed.ob the Aston energy can anyone tell me why it ain't on the Irish approved list??.grows very well in greenfield and know 2 other guys that set it as a stand alone mix and massively impressed

I was only recently talking to a guy with an Aston energy monoculture, savage savage spring growth but dies a death in the mid season

mahoney_j · 30-07-2014 7:31pm

Coonagh wrote: »

I was only recently talking to a guy with an Aston energy monoculture, savage savage spring growth but dies a death in the mid season

That's the onecreason why I'd never but in a monoculture..with 3 to 4 varietys u give ur self a better balance rather than just obe

awaywithyou · 30-07-2014 11:34pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

In the door now

About 4 tonne dm per ha or 4 fresh bakes to the acre. Will tedd twice and bake Wed

Drilled into barley stubble, Roundup, 1 pass of power harrow, 3* 10/10/20, 2 tonne lime, sown with one pass, ring rolled, post emerge spray, 60 units Cut Sward

It's mainly for silage but will be grazed also

Castlehill from Sinclair Magill. Wouldn't be my choice but landlord supplies so I won't refuse. We set 60 acres of it when we went there in 2912, grows some crops.

Ps, this field has been in tillage for years so not expecting wonders for a while!!

we put castlehill in a field here about 17 yrs ago.... that field is still growing some serious grass today.... i would say it easily outperforms all other paddocks/fields we have

Charliebull · 31-07-2014 9:55am

lads whats this weed

frazzledhome · 31-07-2014 11:33am

awaywithyou wrote: »

we put castlehill in a field here about 17 yrs ago.... that field is still growing some serious grass today.... i would say it easily outperforms all other paddocks/fields we have

Thanks for that. I never used till 2012 and as I wasn't supplying seed, kept my gob shut. I'm really glad to hear that as I intend milking on this farm in 2-3 yrs time.

stanflt · 31-07-2014 2:25pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

6 kg tyrella
4 kg abberchoice
4 kg Aston energy
No clover
Been set next Tuesday.gives a really thick sward with good all season growth.set same mix for last 2 years .very impressed.ob the Aston energy can anyone tell me why it ain't on the Irish approved list??.grows very well in greenfield and know 2 other guys that set it as a stand alone mix and massively impressed

How much is that mix costing

I paid 49 for 12.5kg

severeoversteer · 31-07-2014 2:58pm

stanflt wrote: »

How much is that mix costing

I paid 49 for 12.5kg

do you mind me asking where you are getting that mix?

stanflt · 31-07-2014 2:59pm

severeoversteer wrote: »

do you mind me asking where you are getting that mix?

Gold crop diamond lea is similar

arctic8dave · 31-07-2014 6:27pm

stanflt wrote: »

How much is that mix costing

I paid 49 for 12.5kg

aberchoice
abergain
drumbo
11.5 kgs 65 euro vey expensive
i have found the mix quite good though

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2014 6:28pm

We paid 75e for
Abergain
Aberchoice and
Tyrella.
Worth it though

arctic8dave · 31-07-2014 6:49pm

Yeah Tyrella an excellent grass seed
put in aston energy Tyrella sorentio spring last year with brilliant results. Anyone else here have serious bloat problems with clover. Neighbour also has same problem
I just won't plant it anymore after a few losses.

td5man · 31-07-2014 6:57pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

We paid 75e for
Abergain
Aberchoice and
Tyrella.
Worth it though

AFAIK I paid less than that last year.

simx · 31-07-2014 6:57pm

arctic8dave wrote: »

Yeah Tyrella an excellent grass seed
put in aston energy Tyrella sorentio spring last year with brilliant results. Anyone else here have serious bloat problems with clover. Neighbour also has same problem
I just won't plant it anymore after a few losses.

one lad at discussion group said he had that problem alright, never heard anyone else complain of it though

Greengrass1 · 31-07-2014 7:05pm

td5man wrote: »

AFAIK I paid less than that last year.

I'll have a look. That was off top of my head

nashmach · 31-07-2014 7:21pm

simx wrote: »

one lad at discussion group said he had that problem alright, never heard anyone else complain of it though

Have it here too but just have to manage it accordingly.

Get great cuts of silage off it every year with minimal fertiliser and cattle really thrive on it.

Worth managing it correctly but wouldn't include clover in a wetlands mix.

mahoney_j · 31-07-2014 7:40pm

stanflt wrote: »

How much is that mix costing

I paid 49 for 12.5kg

70 euro after a lot of haggling start point was 75.very good mix though and 14 kg,feel like I've been robbed seeingcwhat u paid!

stanflt · 31-07-2014 7:45pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

70 euro after a lot of haggling start point was 75.very good mix though and 14 kg,feel like I've been robbed seeingcwhat u paid!

I think someone under charged me- paid on day group price cash

Will through up the invoice tomorrow

Sami23 · 31-07-2014 9:38pm

nashmach wrote: »

Have it here too but just have to manage it accordingly.

Get great cuts of silage off it every year with minimal fertiliser and cattle really thrive on it.

Worth managing it correctly but wouldn't include clover in a wetlands mix.

Why wouldn't you include clover in a wetland mix ?

aneala · 01-08-2014 12:18am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Set the same here this april. Grazed it 3 timed in last 6 weeks. Super stuff

Hi Gg, just wondering could you tell me how much fert it has gotten since reseed?

Greengrass1 · 01-08-2014 12:40am

aneala wrote: »

Hi Gg, just wondering could you tell me how much fert it has gotten since reseed?

Got 2 goes of pasture sward. Was a cover if 1500 10 days ago when cows grazed it. Its slow now with lack of water but there us a cover of 450-500 on it now

nhg · 01-08-2014 9:07am

Got the 11acres of grass seed sewn & rolled last night, shower just started as rolling finished, now to get the Physolith out before the rain tonight.

Buncha Fives · 01-08-2014 10:01am

Sprayed off six acres last friday evening/saturday morning, I used Gallup 360 at a rate of 2.5/ltrs to the hectare and the water application was 250ltrs to the hectare. It seems to be dieing off well. A couple of people I mentioned it to said they would have used more spray, I am just wondering what is the general opinion?

Greengrass1 · 01-08-2014 10:07am

Buncha Fives wrote: »

Sprayed off six acres last friday evening/saturday morning, I used Gallup 360 at a rate of 2.5/ltrs to the hectare and the water application was 250ltrs to the hectare. It seems to be dieing off well. A couple of people I mentioned it to said they would have used more spray, I am just wondering what is the general opinion?

6 litres/ha is reccomened to get a good kill.
I personally go with 7l/ha

mahoney_j · 01-08-2014 10:38am

Go on manufacture suggestion,2.5 to 3 Ltrs per he .if old grass or high amount nod weeds up to 5 Ltrs per he,above that can't see point and adding to reseeding cost with neglible return.burnt off an 11 year old sward with sone d meadow grasses and docks on Monday at a rate of 4 Ltrs per he.well burnt now and cows going to graze tomorrow.seeds in Monday/Tuesday .one run of ripper 3 tonne of lime per acre 3 bags 10 10 20 per acre ,14 kg grass seed per acre.roll and sit back and wTchbit grow!

Buncha Fives · 01-08-2014 10:41am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Go on manufacture suggestion,2.5 to 3 Ltrs per he .if old grass or high amount nod weeds up to 5 Ltrs per he,above that can't see point and adding to reseeding cost with neglible return.burnt off an 11 year old sward with sone d meadow grasses and docks on Monday at a rate of 4 Ltrs per he.well burnt now and cows going to graze tomorrow.seeds in Monday/Tuesday .one run of ripper 3 tonne of lime per acre 3 bags 10 10 20 per acre ,14 kg grass seed per acre.roll and sit back and wTchbit grow!

I always took it to be the same, I am pretty sure the leaflet said 2.5-3ltr per hect and I was always told don't be shy with the water as its the cheapest part and the more water the better the spray. I would be no expert on spraying that why I was interested to get other peoples opinions. Sprayed off grass at this rate before and it appeared to be die off very well.

reseeding

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