Power Meter Brands

Ryath · 11-03-2014 12:48am

http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/06/powertap-g3-wheelset/

This was the review that said they were made by Enve they don't have the Toroidal profile of the normal Enves though. They have the same decals as the one's you posted didn't spot they were made by reynolds. No info on rim size so hard to know if they're the same. For saving €300 I think I could live with those decals. Wonder if they're removable.

My plan for the new wheels was just for on the new race bike and try and save it for the dry days. No point having a power meter if I can't train on it year round. Would be a bit odd using deep sections on the turbo trainer as well. Guess that's why I had chosen the crankbased power2max.

Not really worried about the heat build up descending of The Wolftrap ain't exactly Alpe d'huez. Don't exactly use my brake's much descending either:D

Really just worried about how they perform in the wet even in the dry they're meant to a long way of alloy rims. For people who use carbon rims how bad are they in the wet?

Ryath · 11-03-2014 1:17am

doozerie wrote: »

but the “simplicity” and convenience of having the power meter built into your shoes should solve the main portability issue that afflicts every other current power meter to one degree or another.

What if the shoe colour doesn't match the bike?:D

godtabh · 31-03-2014 3:26pm

Stages must be real popular. Just been told my order has been pushed out until the end of June!

Will be cancelling my order. Might just leave it at that as I dont think there is anything else out there unless any one knows of a sub 800 crank based system or a power tab suitable for a zonda rear wheel?

richieg · 31-03-2014 7:08pm

godtabh wrote: »

Stages must be real popular. Just been told my order has been pushed out until the end of June!

Will be cancelling my order. Might just leave it at that as I dont think there is anything else out there unless any one knows of a sub 800 crank based system or a power tab suitable for a zonda rear wheel?

Which model were you ordering and from where?

I was thinking of going for one for Ultegra 6800. Hoping I'd get it in a few weeks.

doozerie · 31-03-2014 11:03pm

Ryath wrote: »

What if the shoe colour doesn't match the bike?:D

Buy a new bike to match your shoes, of course.

Inquitus · 13-06-2014 10:19am

My Stages Ultegra 6800 Power Meter arrived this week, I have to say it does just the job, very impressed so far, no fuss, no messing, calibrate once a week, analyse the numbers. I got someone to order it for me in the US, so it came in at just under 600 euro delivered. Once I get the Shimano Crank tool, it will be easy enough to swap between bikes, 5 mins work tops.

godtabh · 13-06-2014 10:22am

I gave up waiting on my order. Will be in the us in Octobre. May consider buying one then

damo80 · 13-06-2014 10:26am

I got an Ultegra Stages this time last year from Cookstown Cycles in Tyrone. Delivered to Republic. Can't fault them or the meter. Ease of use is unbelivable

godtabh · 13-06-2014 10:43am

damo80 wrote: »

I got an Ultegra Stages this time last year from Cookstown Cycles in Tyrone. Delivered to Republic. Can't fault them or the meter. Ease of use is unbelivable

Did you have any issues with the battery and water ingress? I heard earlier versions had issues with this and with the irish water I am sure this is a place that had a few failures?

damo80 · 13-06-2014 12:17pm

godtabh wrote: »

Did you have any issues with the battery and water ingress? I heard earlier versions had issues with this and with the irish water I am sure this is a place that had a few failures?

I had an issue at the very start with the meter not activating, but Stages replaced the whole meter within a week. Never had issue with water (touch wood)

Statler · 13-06-2014 1:31pm

godtabh wrote: »

Did you have any issues with the battery and water ingress? I heard earlier versions had issues with this and with the irish water I am sure this is a place that had a few failures?

I got one shortly after launch, it died after approx 6 weeks so Stages replaced it, the replacement worked fine for a while but then developed the battery drain issue, basically using a battery a day. It also seems to die in wet weather, so I have both issues. I've had a support ticket open with Stages in the States since last Monday, after receiving no reply to a mail to their European support.

When it works it's a fine bit of kit, I was initially impressed with Stages when the first one had to be replaced, this time around they seem to be dragging their feet, I'll be buying a new bike this summer and was going to buy a new Stages unit for it, I'm definitely considering other power meter options now though....

harringtonp · 13-06-2014 7:53pm

Stages seem to be the flavour of the day at the moment. The last 3 cyclists I know who bought PM's all bought a Stage.

Personally I'm glad though I got a power2max. So far ultra reliable... touch wood. Have to say I've always had a lot of respect for German engineering.

Inquitus · 13-06-2014 8:27pm

harringtonp wrote: »

Stages seem to be the flavour of the day at the moment. The last 3 cyclists I know who bought PM's all bought a Stage.

Personally I'm glad though I got a power2max. So far ultra reliable... touch wood. Have to say I've always had a lot of respect for German engineering.

Ease of moving between bikes is probably the main benefit of a Stages over a Power2Max, the known reliability of Power2max is the main benefit of it over the new Stages, both give good, reliable, consistent measurements.

Smalltom · 13-06-2014 8:32pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Ease of moving between bikes is probably the main benefit of a Stages over a Power2Max, the known reliability of Power2max is the main benefit of it over the new Stages, both give good, reliable, consistent measurements.

I have a P2M and cannot complain after putting it through the winter. In relation to switching it over-about 3minutes I guesstimate and then switch over the bikes on the garmin profile. How long to switch stages over?

mirv · 13-06-2014 8:41pm

I can't see how switching between bikes is any easier with a power2max over a stages - after all, taking the LHS crank off is the most 'difficult' part of the process, and you only need to tap the axle and RHS crank out to remove the other side.

However I can see how it would be easier to swap between standard/compact/triple/mtb/fixed chainsets with a single LHS stages arm if you ran the same brand of chainset but different chainring configs.

Inquitus · 13-06-2014 8:57pm

mirv wrote: »

I can't see how switching between bikes is any easier with a power2max over a stages - after all, taking the LHS crank off is the most 'difficult' part of the process, and you only need to tap the axle and RHS crank out to remove the other side.

However I can see how it would be easier to swap between standard/compact/triple/mtb/fixed chainsets with a single LHS stages arm if you ran the same brand of chainset but different chainring configs.

Aye I have one compact and one std double, so for me that wouldn't be viable.

harringtonp · 13-06-2014 10:33pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye I have one compact and one std double, so for me that wouldn't be viable.

I was the same but switched from compact position to standard on winter bike so that I could always use the P2M.

Changeover time for me is about 5 mins at a leisurely pace and that includes getting out/putting away the tools. Thankfully there is no recalibration with P2M after switching it to another bike

lennymc · 13-06-2014 10:55pm

stages look attractive alright if they have a crank available for your bike!

Im looking at another powertap. I like being able to move from one bike to another.

Idleater · 13-06-2014 11:12pm

lennymc wrote: »

stages look attractive alright if they have a crank available for your bike! .

I'm missing something with the stages I think. 700 quid and you get half a crankset?
Must be close to 1k to buy for a new bike. That's more expensive than powertap and marginally cheaper than p2m?

godtabh · 14-06-2014 8:39am

lennymc wrote: »

stages look attractive alright if they have a crank available for your bike!

Im looking at another powertap. I like being able to move from one bike to another.

Do you have one for your "good wheels" and "training wheels" ?

dario28 · 16-06-2014 4:14pm

Gonna get stages for my aeroroad , anyone bought one recently and if so where ya get it from ?

Id like to buy from Ireland / UK incase it breaks , but it seems the USA price is 100eur cheaper

lennymc · 16-06-2014 7:05pm

godtabh wrote: »

Do you have one for your "good wheels" and "training wheels" ?

just seeing this now -no. Only have one at the moment, built into a mavic open pro. Does the job perfectly. Race, train, commute etc with it.

Statler · 17-06-2014 12:05pm

Just an update on my issues with Stages for anyone thinking of buying, I never got a reply from the mail I sent their European support, so I got onto the US support through their website, it did take a few days but they got back to me (and in fairness apologised for the delay and said they're having issues with support but are taking steps to improve things), asked me for a photo of the unit and once I sent that they got straight back to say they'll send a new unit and will be in touch to arrange collection of the old one. Granted I've now had 2 units returned but I can't fault their after sales support, and they do seem to have sorted the battery drain/ water leak issues with newer models.

godtabh · 17-06-2014 12:08pm

From what I have read battery drain was sorted using an elastic band to form a better seal

doozerie · 25-06-2014 3:52pm

Interesting new InfoCrank power meter from Verve Cycling. Cost is US$1,750 including a head unit, some of the features include: measures torque from each leg, calibrated once for its lifetime barring damage during a *bad* (they claim) crash, claimed to be very accurate, long-lasting user-replaceable batteries, waterproof, compensates for ambient temperature, built-in cadence sensor, ANT+ compatible. And it looks like the Praxis chainrings it comes fitted with are compatible with Shimano, SRAM, and Campag, both 10sp and 11sp in each case.

They also suggest the potential for interesting functionality for the future, based on being able to make better use of the data the device can measure but which can’t currently be transmitted due to what they describe as limitations in the ANT+ protocol.

Inquitus · 25-06-2014 4:01pm

doozerie wrote: »

Interesting new InfoCrank power meter from Verve Cycling. Cost is US$1,750 including a head unit, some of the features include: measures torque from each leg, calibrated once for its lifetime barring damage during a *bad* (they claim) crash, claimed to be very accurate, long-lasting user-replaceable batteries, waterproof, compensates for ambient temperature, built-in cadence sensor, ANT+ compatible. And it looks like the Praxis chainrings it comes fitted with are compatible with Shimano, SRAM, and Campag, both 10sp and 11sp in each case.

They also suggest the potential for interesting functionality for the future, based on being able to make better use of the data the device can measure but which can’t currently be transmitted due to what they describe as limitations in the ANT+ protocol.

Very surprised at the omission of Bluetooth LE, Ant+ days are numbered.

godtabh · 25-06-2014 4:54pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Very surprised at the omission of Bluetooth LE, Ant+ days are numbered.

Bluetooth smart devices are the future. Stages dual broadcasting I think is good but most devices in the future as the amount of data that can be transmitted will be fantastic

richieg · 26-06-2014 9:03am

dario28 wrote: »

Gonna get stages for my aeroroad , anyone bought one recently and if so where ya get it from ?

Id like to buy from Ireland / UK incase it breaks , but it seems the USA price is 100eur cheaper

Got mine from Rutland Cycles in th eUK. Only place that I could find with the Ultegra 6800 crank.

Great service, had it within a week.

jiffybag · 26-06-2014 6:22pm

richieg wrote: »

Got mine from Rutland Cycles in th eUK. Only place that I could find with the Ultegra 6800 crank.

Great service, had it within a week.

The guys in Cookstown Cycles in Tyrone have got good stock of the Ultegra and 105 models . Two mates of mine have got Stages from them .

GLC · 26-06-2014 9:32pm

jiffybag wrote: »

The guys in Cookstown Cycles in Tyrone have got good stock of the Ultegra and 105 models . Two mates of mine have got Stages from them .

Was this recently, last time I enquired they told me they wouldn't have stock of the Ultegra model until August sometime.

jiffybag · 26-06-2014 9:54pm

GLC wrote: »

Was this recently, last time I enquired they told me they wouldn't have stock of the Ultegra model until August sometime.

Last week , they claimed to have good stock levels . Could be worth checking back with them again.

martin.mcevoy · 28-06-2014 5:26pm

Has anyone any experience of Garmin Vector pedals, or does their quite prohibitive price rule them out of consideration?

Smalltom · 28-06-2014 9:58pm

martin.mcevoy wrote: »

Has anyone any experience of Garmin Vector pedals, or does their quite prohibitive price rule them out of consideration?

Two people I cycle have them and are a bit meh about them. The torquing of them has to be spot on when changing them from bike to bike or they won't give accurate readings. One of them was complaining of a lot of 'spiking' in power levels during the wet winter weather. Beastly is a good man to quiz on the vectors iirc. In saying all that they're light and look neat and give true L/R power. I ended up buying a P2M and am happy with it.

pprendeville · 30-06-2014 4:07pm

Looks like the Zone from brim Brothers is ready for testing.

godtabh · 30-06-2014 4:13pm

pprendeville wrote: »

Looks like the Zone from brim Brothers is ready for testing.

yeah saw that. I think its all about the price point for them

pprendeville · 30-06-2014 4:19pm

ya can't wait to see what they price it at.

godtabh · 30-06-2014 4:38pm

I dont expect them to be cheap but as a small start up they shouldn't have the overheads of the likes of Garmin or PowerTap and should be able to recover the R&D costs quicker than those boys.

tunney · 30-06-2014 4:44pm

godtabh wrote: »

yeah saw that. I think its all about the price point for them

And actually work.................

godtabh · 30-06-2014 4:46pm

tunney wrote: »

And actually work.................

DC Rainmaker had a prototype a while back. He seems positive about them. The Giro pink version they posted a picture about looks sweet.

tunney · 30-06-2014 4:51pm

godtabh wrote: »

DC Rainmaker had a prototype a while back. He seems positive about them. The Giro pink version they posted a picture about looks sweet.

He can put a positive spin on most things

Plus he did an initial impression not a review.

Show me a power file for the cleats for a ride and then show me the SRM file for the same ride.

Now show me files under a range of scenarios, climbing, sprinting, constant variations in power.

Then after that we know they work, until then.........

Be great if they do work, would be epic to get power cycling to work and not have to worry about someone nicking your expensive PM and bike

fortis · 30-06-2014 9:30pm

I can +1 on the power2max. Have it 2 years, zero problems in all kinds of sh** weather

1 battery change so far with more or less 10 hours a week use

godtabh · 30-06-2014 10:04pm

fortis wrote: »

I can +1 on the power2max. Have it 2 years, zero problems in all kinds of sh** weather

1 battery change so far with more or less 10 hours a week use

How many bikes do you use it on?

fortis · 30-06-2014 10:12pm

godtabh wrote: »

How many bikes do you use it on?

2.

Switching is a 5 minute job (not even tbh once you have done it a few times), two Allen keys are all that are needed

Obviously u need to have the same bottom bracket type on both bikes. Or bb adapters.

Stages are getting a lot of hype because of the "Sky" connection but there are inherent compromises in the design I think to keep them to a price point that isn't that much cheaper than p2max anyway. And sky are not going to publicise on reliability. For that forums like this are your best bet

When I bought 2 years ago, vector, stages, pioneer, brim...none of those were available. Would I buy p2max again now that they are? Yes. Definitely. It has been faultless and ridiculously easy to use

godtabh · 30-06-2014 10:14pm

fortis wrote: »

2.

Switching is a 5 minute job (not even tbh once you have done it a few times), two Allen keys are all that are needed

Obviously u need to have the same bottom bracket type on both bikes. Or bb adapters.

Stages are getting a lot of hype because of the "Sky" connection but there are inherent compromises in the design I think to keep them to a price point that isn't that much cheaper than p2max anyway. And sky are not going to publicise on reliability. For that forums like this are your best bet

When I bought 2 years ago, vector, stages, pioneer, brim...none of those were available. Would I buy p2max again now that they are? Yes. Definitely. It has been faultless and ridiculously easy to use

With no issues on year round use?

fortis · 30-06-2014 10:19pm

godtabh wrote: »

With no issues on year round use?

Nope. Zero

BTW I don't work for them or anything like that (they only sell direct anyway) ! Just appreciate a good product, well made and does what it is supposed to do

I bought mine on recommendation of a friend of mine and he loves it also

BTW I have the original one, the type s is out now but it seems to be the same thing essentially, just more aesthetically pleasing and marginally lighter. But slightly more expensive

harringtonp · 01-07-2014 9:42am

Been using mine 25-35 hours a month since the middle of last October and like Fortis switching between 2 bikes.

Not a single problem, battery still going fine.

godtabh · 03-07-2014 9:54am

For the lads using the power2max what set up do you have? Did you just buy the sensor?

Was in touch with Power2Max to see what options would be available to me an are suggesting I need to buy Rotor 3D/p2m Type S, because the Rotor 3D crank is compatible with my SH-bb. That puts the price a good bit more than say the Stages

pprendeville · 03-07-2014 10:01am

Did you not get the Stages 105?

godtabh · 03-07-2014 10:09am

pprendeville wrote: »

Did you not get the Stages 105?

it was taking so long to come in that I cancelled my order. May still go back to it. I do a lot of research before making a decision so this process is on going!

pprendeville · 03-07-2014 10:11am

They're some price here. If I knew someone in The States it would be handy.

Power Meter Brands

Comments