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    #5342
    LuckyGent88
    Registered Users Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    windy shepard henderson wrote: »
    cratloe through as expected to round 3 , tough ask now for whitegate in the relegation final

    https://twitter.com/CratloeGAAClub/status/767406542840819712?lang=en



    1/4 Finals

    Crusheen
    Clonlara
    Eire Og
    Feakle

    Round 3 playoffs
    Ballyea
    Clarecastle
    Cratloe
    Clooney/quinn
    Sixmilebridge
    Tulla
    Wolfe Tones
    O'C Mills

    Relegation Playoffs
    kilmaley
    Inagh/Kilnamona
    Newmarket
    Whitegate

    Is the round 3 playoffs an open draw??


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    #5343
    windy shepard henderson
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    LuckyGent88 wrote: »
    Is the round 3 playoffs an open draw??

    no as far as i know , i belive it will be the winners of the playoff v a loser from the winners group , for example cratloe,the bridge,tulla or clarecastle can not meet each other in this round

    losers from winners group

    wolfe tones
    O'C Mills
    Clooney/quinn
    Clarecastle

    V One from
    from losers group

    Ballyea
    Sixmilebridge
    Cratloe
    Tulla


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    #5344
    LuckyGent88
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    Bridge v tones
    Clarecastle v cratloe
    Mills v tulla
    Clooney v ballyea

    Relagation:
    Inamona v kilmaley
    Newmarket v whitegate

    Some local derbies thrown into the mix. That relegation derby could be a belter.


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    #5345
    rodge68
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    The Mills V Tulla should be lively...


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    #5346
    windy shepard henderson
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    LuckyGent88 wrote: »
    Bridge v tones
    Clarecastle v cratloe
    Mills v tulla
    Clooney v ballyea

    Relagation:
    Inamona v kilmaley
    Newmarket v whitegate

    Some local derbies thrown into the mix. That relegation derby could be a belter.

    i almost expect momentum to stand to tulla vs the mills , clooney/quinn v ballyea could go to the wire also , big ask perhaps for tones and the magpies , kilmaley got the worst draws possible in both 1st and 2nd round draws , the probably will have too much for there neighbors , had the draw or luck being kinder for them they would still be a serious threat in the championship

    toss of a coin in the blues v whitegate game , the blues could have been hammered by ballyea last week had they taken half of there chances while whitegate battled well for 50/55 minutes against a far superior team in cratloe , i wouldnt be surprised if newmarket find themselves in a drop zone final but the likelihood is now for a inaghmona v whitegate final


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    #5347
    Clareman
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    Newmarket really are having a terrible season, at the start of the season I would have thought they'd be 1 of the favorites for the Canon Hamilton.


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    #5348
    Twiceasnice97
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Newmarket really are having a terrible season, at the start of the season I would have thought they'd be 1 of the favorites for the Canon Hamilton.

    that could be a big problem for them. Whitegate no matter what they saywill have had the possibility of a relegation match in the back of their minds.
    No part of newmarkets thinking would have involved that which could be difficult to deal with


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    #5349
    Clareman
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    I see Davy is back in the news saying that he's not going to make a decision quickly and is going to concentrate on his own recovery while playing golf and not going to matches. http://clareherald.com/2016/08/davy-concentrating-on-recovery-before-making-a-decision-on-clare-future/

    Now, call me cynical, but surely if he's the current Clare Manager he should be attending championship matches to not only keep an eye on existing players but to spot potentially new players.


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    #5350
    funnyname
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    Indeed

    Looks like he's going to ride out the storm and then come out with a statement in September or October that he's recharged his batteries and he's ready to give it all in the pursuit of another Munster Senior Hurling League.
    Clareman wrote: »
    I see Davy is back in the news saying that he's not going to make a decision quickly and is going to concentrate on his own recovery while playing golf and not going to matches. http://clareherald.com/2016/08/davy-concentrating-on-recovery-before-making-a-decision-on-clare-future/

    Now, call me cynical, but surely if he's the current Clare Manager he should be attending championship matches to not only keep an eye on existing players but to spot potentially new players.


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    #5351
    Clareman
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    The listing of Munster Leagues as success is very annoying, who cares about the Munster League? Wasn't there a change to the teams who even played in it recently? Most other teams wouldn't be playing college players either. The thing about winning 2 promotions is that you have to had been relegated at least once.


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    #5352
    danganabu
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    Clareman wrote: »
    The listing of Munster Leagues as success is very annoying, who cares about the Munster League? Wasn't there a change to the teams who even played in it recently? Most other teams wouldn't be playing college players either. The thing about winning 2 promotions is that you have to had been relegated at least once.

    The college teams were removed from it and Tipp didn't enter it, was played off in 3 weeks in January in the muck and shi*e.


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    #5353
    Clareman
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    danganabu wrote: »
    The college teams were removed from it and Tipp didn't enter it, was played off in 3 weeks in January in the muck and shi*e.

    With Clare in training since October and Limerick missing Na Piarsaigh players.

    Yup, that's a competition worth noting


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    #5354
    tatoo
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    You must be another one of those Clare supporters that's losing the run of themselves


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    #5355
    Clareman
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    tatoo wrote: »
    You must be another one of those Clare supporters that's losing the run of themselves

    That's me, totally losing the run of myself by thinking that a bunch of players with 4 Under 21 All Ireland's, 1 Senior All Ireland and a National League in the past 7 years should be getting as far as All Ireland quarter finals or heaven forbid, winning a match in Munster.


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    #5356
    Henno30
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    Clareman wrote: »
    That's me, totally losing the run of myself by thinking that a bunch of players with 4 Under 21 All Ireland's, 1 Senior All Ireland and a National League in the past 7 years should be getting as far as All Ireland quarter finals or heaven forbid, winning a match in Munster.

    But I bet if we won two Munster leagues in a row you wouldn't be complaining would you? Ennis wouldn't sleep for a week.


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    #5357
    Figerty
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    But I bet if we won two Munster leagues in a row you wouldn't be complaining would you? Ennis wouldn't sleep for a week.

    Didn't we win the Waterford Crystal competition at one stage? Irrelevant competition in January. I don't think Ennis even woke up that we were in it.


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    #5358
    Clareman
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    Sure Ennis wasn't hosting the Fleadh last week, it was celebrating past Munster League victories.


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    #5359
    Akrasia
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    I heard the green bibs won in a training match in January. I had a few beers to celebrate


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    #5360
    billo.d86
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    Clareman wrote: »
    I see Davy is back in the news saying that he's not going to make a decision quickly and is going to concentrate on his own recovery while playing golf and not going to matches. http://clareherald.com/2016/08/davy-concentrating-on-recovery-before-making-a-decision-on-clare-future/

    Now, call me cynical, but surely if he's the current Clare Manager he should be attending championship matches to not only keep an eye on existing players but to spot potentially new players.

    Ya totally agree with you, the only players coming through are the lads who are coming as stars from underage, there is not chance for late bloomers al la Lar Corbett.

    I hate the fact we stop our championship and kill everyone development, maybe im on my own on that. But 6 weeks between matches is useless to lads.


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    #5361
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭Henno30


    This radio documentary should be something special. Dear god, what sort of stuff is going to come out with now.


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    #5362
    billo.d86
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭billo.d86


    Henno30 wrote: »
    This radio documentary should be something special. Dear god, what sort of stuff is going to come out with now.

    What documentary is this?


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    #5363
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭Henno30


    billo.d86 wrote: »
    What documentary is this?

    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2016/0811/808524-davy/?imz_s=3hf63j3jb0m5i8b57jqsg1ln23

    Davy

    People think they know Davy Fitzgerald because of what they see during the game, but what about before and after? This documentary had unique access to follow Clare's 2016 hurling year and experience it through Davy's eyes. (2016)


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    #5364
    Clareman
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2016/0811/808524-davy/?imz_s=3hf63j3jb0m5i8b57jqsg1ln23

    Davy

    People think they know Davy Fitzgerald because of what they see during the game, but what about before and after? This documentary had unique access to follow Clare's 2016 hurling year and experience it through Davy's eyes. (2016)

    Is this the guy that was complaining about the media? He had someone from the media follow him for the year, you couldn't make this up.


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    #5365
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭Henno30


    Clareman wrote: »
    Is this the guy that was complaining about the media? He had someone from the media follow him for the year, you couldn't make this up.

    He's always been an attention seeker. Media is fine until there's criticism, then it becomes a vast conspiracy to undermine him.

    The sickening thing about this documentary, is that he will blatantly lie and misrepresent the facts of his tenure, completely unchallenged by a journalist who has nowhere near the required knowledge to question him.

    We know what it will be. He loves Clare, loves 'his boys', loves hurling, and he won't let the 'bullies' get to him. He has a great record, and he's extremely proud of it. And the Clare fans have lost the run of themselves because of all the success he has brought them. He only does interviews with people who won't challenge this nonsense, like John Fogarty.

    The endless self-promotion is incredibly sickening. Every single interview has the same narrative, that "a county like Clare" should not be expecting to win anything, but at the same time his record is fantastic.

    I would love, just once, for someone to put these facts to him:

    - You have won just one Munster championship game in five years

    - You have had three consecutive failed seasons with Clare and yet insist that you have an excellent record

    - You only seem capable of winning games against the Leinster preliminary group teams in the championship

    - You have the best ever generation of Clare underage teams at your disposal, yet your results are significantly worse than those produced by Anthony Daly in the mid-00s for example

    - You repeatedly lower expectations for Clare hurling as a means of defending your own record


    It would be nice for someone to cut through the bullsh*t for a change. I am so tired of listening to him cherrypick stats about Munster leagues and 'only two losses all season' and have no one pick him up on such blatant nonsense.

    The greatest spoof of all is that he then portrays himself as a victim, a decent guy beset on all sides by bullies and critics. The truth is that he is a prominent and very high profile individual in the GAA, protected by an all-powerful county secretary in his father. In the late 90s he was handed an All-Ireland winning minor team for his first stint at intercounty management. Then he was given by far and away the best generation of underage players we have ever had, and a blank cheque into the bargain.

    He's a powerful figure, with a dreadful record entirely deserving of criticism, using his profile to bully others into silence. That's the real Davy Fitz, but I doubt we'll see that in the documentary.


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    #5366
    windy shepard henderson
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    You would serously consider not renewing the season ticket next season . Utter nonsense this whole saga is turning out to be .

    The basic reasons behind clares down fall are us the unloyal supporter and the local media (bar dunphy of course) nothing to do with playing a tactic that suites no one.

    Its almost unbareable supporting clare hurling at the moment


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    #5367
    Gael85
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    Will the club's be allowed to voice their displeasure on Davy performance as manager over last 3 years? Bringing in Donal Og seemed a last resort and he didn't seem to have much input and same tactics were used as in previous years. Would any of the hurling lads switch over to footballers ?Clare football in a good place and will need more bodies for division 2 football


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    #5368
    windy shepard henderson
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    Gael85 wrote: »
    Will the club's be allowed to voice their displeasure on Davy performance as manager over last 3 years? Bringing in Donal Og seemed a last resort and he didn't seem to have much input and same tactics were used as in previous years. Would any of the hurling lads switch over to footballers ?Clare football in a good place and will need more bodies for division 2 football

    nearly all of what you said happened last year and late 2014, players jumped ship to the footballers , clubs protested ex players protested , malty mcdounagh promised a " warts and all" investigation into clare hurling it never happened , davy is still in charge the players are still disgruntled as are the supporters


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    #5369
    windy shepard henderson
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    games in the senior football championship this weekend

    big clash in shannon where two former county finalists take part in a relegation semi final , lissycasey will look for redemption against o'currys after controversy in the previous round and hope to get one over the team that knocked them out at the same stage last year . cooraclare will have to improve ten fold if they want to stay in the competition let alone challenge like last year .

    tomorrow sees kilrush take on corofin in the second relegation semi , while ennistymon face a tricky derby in the park against up and coming st breckens , clondegad will hope they have too much for kilkee

    Round 3 Saturday

    Cooraclare : O'Currys v Lissycasey @ 6:00
    Gurteen : Cooraclare v Wolfe tones @ 6:00

    Sunday

    Cooraclare :Clondegad v Kilkee @ 1:00
    Cusack park : Ennistymon v ST Breckans @ 6:30

    Relegation playoff semi final

    saturday
    Shannon: Eire Og v Doora/barefield @6:00

    sunday
    Lissycasey: Kilrush v Corofin @ 12:00


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    #5370
    windy shepard henderson
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    impressive stuff from lissycasey to qualify for the last 8 , while cooraclare get over the line against wolfe tones to join them in the next round , while the townies and the parish are in extra time in shannon at the moment

    https://twitter.com/Westclarepage/status/769601712831234048n


    https://twitter.com/ryancorry8


    https://twitter.com/EireOgInisGAA/status/769602109826293761


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    #5371
    Gael85
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    windy shepard henderson wrote: »
    nearly all of what you said happened last year and late 2014, players jumped ship to the footballers , clubs protested ex players protested , malty mcdounagh promised a " warts and all" investigation into clare hurling it never happened , davy is still in charge the players are still disgruntled as are the supporters

    Surely there will be investigation this year? I know his father has a lot of power but something needs to be done before this group of players are lost. Surely the players can't be happy with set up. They seem to be afraid to voice their opinion?


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