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Brain Stroking · 08-07-2012 7:05pm

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

You're not blaming other drugs but are blaming alcohol and then state we need to learn the effects of recreational drugs?

Of which i expressly included alcohol as it commonly isnt listed as "recreational drug" by most people. Thanks for paraphrasing

Vinta81 · 08-07-2012 7:05pm

Paully D wrote: »

Was at the gig myself and only heard about the trouble today.

I had actually commented to a few people on how 99% of the people I had spoken to up there were just there to enjoy it and have a laugh, so was very surprised to hear about the stabbings and death(s). From my own experience it was one of the quietest gigs with regards to trouble that I've been at in a long time.

EDIT - The organisation was very poor though. The queue to get in was basically pushing and barging for 30 minutes +. It also would have been very easy for anyone who didn't have a ticket to get in. I don't really know much about these things and I'm not from the area, but surely the organisers could have found a better and more effective way to get people in?

Overall I really enjoyed it and didn't see any trouble at all.

Same! We were at the gig too and had a fantastic time! A lot of the trouble seemed to happen at the far left of the stage, from what I've heard. We were up the front for Calvin Harris and moved back a bit and we were in an area where people were just dancing and having a laugh, so pushing, shoving, we had space...it was great!

Sad to hear about the injuries and deaths, but honestly I didn't come across any violent behaviour.

criticalcritic · 08-07-2012 7:07pm

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Until people acknowledge that drugs such as MDMA, Ecstasy, Marijuana, speed, coke etc are not the problem here then we will continually be wondering why incidents like this weekend happen. The reason is very simple: alcohol. Mix alcohol with any of the above and there is the potential for what happened happening. Even mix alcohol with sleeping pills jor antibiotics and mayhem can ensue.

The sooner people in this country wake up to the effects of the recreational drugs out there (including alcohol) then we wont get anywhere.

Im sorry pal but that argument is pure b*llox

Its nothing but a drug addict or heavy users attempt to justify their drug use.

Take a walk around some of the flat blocks in the inner city and ask the residents what drugs has done to their community.

Narcotics drive addiction and mental issue, social deprivation, and Im sure you know damn well that drugs like coke and speed can induce mad behaviour that leas lead to violence, so can drink but nowhere near level narcotics do.

Id bet my life if was drugs related those stabbings last night

BRAIN FEEDs · 08-07-2012 7:07pm

wallpaper12 wrote: »

I had one of the best nights of my life there last night. However I did get punched in the face an kicked in the stomach by 2 different scumbags,

class!

you should move down the country mate.

BRAIN FEEDs · 08-07-2012 7:09pm

Brian Stoking is right imo........ alcohol is the common factor here:(

Tombi! · 08-07-2012 7:09pm

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Of which i expressly included alcohol as it commonly isnt listed as "recreational drug" by most people. Thanks for paraphrasing

No you stated:

Until people acknowledge that drugs such as MDMA, Ecstasy, Marijuana, speed, coke etc are not the problem here then we will continually be wondering why incidents like this weekend happen.

Then you said:

The sooner people in this country wake up to the effects of the recreational drugs out there (including alcohol) then we wont get anywhere.

So what one is is exactly? That we need to learn the affects of recreational drugs or that it's not the fault of other drugs bar alcohol?

Bobeagleburger · 08-07-2012 7:10pm

criticalcritic wrote: »

Im sorry pal but that argument is pure b*llox

Its nothing but a drug addict or heavy users attempt to justify their drug use.

Take a walk around some of the flat blocks in the inner city and ask the residents what drugs has done to their community.

Narcotics drive addiction and mental issue, social deprivation, and Im sure you know damn well that drugs like coke and speed can induce mad behaviour that leas lead to violence, so can drink but nowhere near level narcotics do.

Id bet my life if was drugs related those stabbings last night

I'd bet my life that the drug responsible for 99.99% of voilence is alcohol.

Atlantis50 · 08-07-2012 7:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet crime is lower now than when young lads were sent to borstal for any little thing they did, how does that work?

Rubbish. Crime is much higher now.

hatrickpatrick · 08-07-2012 7:11pm

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Until people acknowledge that drugs such as MDMA, Ecstasy, Marijuana, speed, coke etc are not the problem here then we will continually be wondering why incidents like this weekend happen. The reason is very simple: alcohol. Mix alcohol with any of the above and there is the potential for what happened happening. Even mix alcohol with sleeping pills or antibiotics and mayhem can ensue.

The sooner people in this country wake up to the effects of the recreational drugs out there (including alcohol) then we wont get anywhere.

Sorry but that's complete bullsh*t, many people are able to get locked/high and not become violent psychopaths.

If you turn into a murderer when you do drugs, it means it's already hidden under the surface but you keep it under control when you're sober. That's a problem. How do people end up that way? Is it to do with upbringing? The media? Genetics? What?

We should be concentrating on creating a generation which doesn't have those tendencies in the first place.

Nodin · 08-07-2012 7:11pm

Atlantis50 wrote: »

Rubbish. Crime is much higher now.

You've statistics to back that, I trust?

christmas2012 · 08-07-2012 7:12pm

attacks are more vicous now,going to concerts when i was a teen was a completely different kettle of fish..
why bring knives to concert events?another thing,i dont think the security were doing their job that night,were they intimidated by the scummy crowds i wonder?

Nodin · 08-07-2012 7:14pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

attacks are more vicous now,going to concerts when i was a teen was a completely different kettle of fish..
.............

I'd suggest your memory is a bit flawed there.

thebaz · 08-07-2012 7:14pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

i dont think the security were doing their job that night,were they intimidated by the scummy crowds i wonder?

doubt it , MCD security is usually pretty tight

Tombi! · 08-07-2012 7:15pm

Nodin wrote: »

I'd suggest your memory is a bit flawed there.

Maybe it's violent crime are more common amongst civilians?

wallpaper12 · 08-07-2012 7:15pm

BRAIN FEEDs wrote: »

class!

you should move down the country mate.

I am from down the country?

Getting punched and kicked were two annoying incidents that were over in about 2 seconds and had hardly any bearing on my night. I obviously wasnt saying getting kicked and punched was amazing.
The music and atmosphere in general was fantastic.

Also every single scumbag I noticed was from Dublin, no excpetion.

Atlantis50 · 08-07-2012 7:16pm

Nodin wrote: »

You've statistics to back that, I trust?

I certainly do.

http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/2144/1/jssisiVolXXVII_135175.pdf

See figure 1 (page 138) showing the explosion in crime since the 1970s onward.

See here also: http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/publications_ncc_summary_crimeinireland.html

R.F. · 08-07-2012 7:16pm

Is it true that 3 have died from overdoses at last nights concert?

criticalcritic · 08-07-2012 7:16pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

criticalcritic wrote: »

Im sorry pal but that argument is pure b*llox

Its nothing but a drug addict or heavy users attempt to justify their drug use.

Take a walk around some of the flat blocks in the inner city and ask the residents what drugs has done to their community.

Narcotics drive addiction and mental issue, social deprivation, and Im sure you know damn well that drugs like coke and speed can induce mad behaviour that leas lead to violence, so can drink but nowhere near level narcotics do.

Id bet my life if was drugs related those stabbings last night

I'd bet my life that the drug responsible for 99.99% of voilence is alcohol.

I dont equate an old man having a pint with his dinner with some scumbag who buys white powder of unknown origin off some even lower scumbag then shoves it up his nose.

Give me the environment of a pub with pints flowing over some banter over sticking toxic subtances up your nostrils having a manic episode

I work in a pscyh hospital mate. alcoholics are a pushover to treat over psyhcotic drug addicts

Bad Panda · 08-07-2012 7:17pm

thebaz wrote: »

what is it about stabbings and sunshine in Dublin - we moan about the poxy weather most of the time - then we get a blast of sunshine , and there is a new idiotic fad to pack knives instead of suncream - sickening - back in my day it was hand to hand combat amongst punks , skins, nothsiders/ southsiders - very rarely stabbings, a few broken noses was about it

Is that right Ponyboy?

christmas2012 · 08-07-2012 7:17pm

I wouldnt say their a pushover ive met some fierce hyper aggressive hobos in the past in a wet hostel not easy to deal with i can tell you!

Bad Panda · 08-07-2012 7:18pm

R.F. wrote: »

Is it true that 3 have died from overdoses at last nights concert?

I heard the report on the radio just now, but they only said one person died and they're trying to identify him.

thebaz · 08-07-2012 7:18pm

Bad Panda wrote: »

Is that right Ponyboy?

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LH Pathe · 08-07-2012 7:19pm

E is the dangerous designer disco-infiltrating drug the tv shows of the 80s predicted. Became a must-take accompiament for most, to enjoy the 'music' what about the guy who has to collect his dole accompanied by his mother, lurching head-down brain- damaged and de-sensitized by one too many. Senses perma-dulled, unable to feel anythhing whatsoever anymore having got so high - that's the price; artificial buzz to artificial music in artificial environment. Robotic music/Robotic poeple. Don't be a sucker - don't be a hipster. Don't take e; don't attend raves. Nobody says you have to, ignore the hip herd majority and do yores own thing

Bad Panda · 08-07-2012 7:20pm

thebaz wrote: »

?

Just a reference to 'The Outsiders' Was meant in jest

criticalcritic · 08-07-2012 7:21pm

R.F. wrote: »

Is it true that 3 have died from overdoses at last nights concert?

http://www.thejournal.ie/phoenix-park-three-males-dead-swedish-house-mafia-overdose-513781-Jul2012/

Nodin · 08-07-2012 7:22pm

Atlantis50 wrote: »

I certainly do.

http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/2144/1/jssisiVolXXVII_135175.pdf

See figure 1 (page 138) showing the explosion in crime since the 1970s onward.

See here also: http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/publications_ncc_summary_crimeinireland.html

Indeed.

It is encouraging to note that the current trend in recorded crime reflects the trend in nonindictable and indictable crimes, which has fallen since the 1980s. In the eight years from 1990 to 1998, non-indictable crimes fell by 11 per cent, while indictable crimes fell by two per cent and the total recorded crime rate fell by nine per cent

The fact is that crime rates in Ireland are greatly related to emmigration. The lowest rates ever with in the 1950's. Violent crime in Europe generally has been dropping since the 1800's.

Namlub · 08-07-2012 7:23pm

criticalcritic wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/phoenix-park-three-males-dead-swedish-house-mafia-overdose-513781-Jul2012/

So there's nothing to say that 2 of the 3 were even at the concert?

Nodin · 08-07-2012 7:24pm

criticalcritic wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/phoenix-park-three-males-dead-swedish-house-mafia-overdose-513781-Jul2012/

One died at the gig.

Meanwhile, gardaí are also appealing for information on the identity of a man who was at the concert but died in Connolly Hospital last night.
The man, who was in his early 20s, sought medical attention at the concert, before being taken to hospital.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0708/stabbing-phoenix-park-concert.html

VEN · 08-07-2012 7:24pm

wallpaper12 wrote: »

Also every single scumbag I noticed was from Dublin, no excpetion.

yep :rolleyes:

Atlantis50 · 08-07-2012 7:24pm

Nodin wrote: »

Indeed.

The fact is that crime rates in Ireland are greatly related to emmigration. The lowest rates ever with in the 1950's. Violent crime in Europe generally has been dropping since the 1800's.

How does that support your claim that crime rates were higher at the time when borstals were in existence?

Madam_X · 08-07-2012 7:24pm

criticalcritic wrote: »

You know things are bad when some of local scumbag element who live around the rough estates beside the park are digusted by the element there last night.

As one junkie said to me earlier 'bleedin vermin at that yoke man'

Lol

LH Pathe wrote: »

Raves will always bring the ****ing idiot element; end-of.

It wasn't a rave because it's 2012, not 1990. Plus, raves played good music.

immersive wrote: »

So many uneducated know it alls here. Typical narrow minded Ireland.

I think "know-it-all" might be a bit rich.

The type of music has nothing to do with all the scumbags turning up

It most definitely did. Snoop and Tinie Tempah are deemed "bad-ass" by those eejits here. There was no such hassle at Stone Roses - so of course it was the music that attracted them.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

*sigh*
Why the hell do people have to equate "scumbag" with class, welfare, money, location, accent etc?

I agree, but you cannot compare life in Sandycove to life in an area with a lot of problems and intimidation, harassment etc.

flyswatter · 08-07-2012 7:24pm

MCD are fucked now I'd say.

Oops.

withless · 08-07-2012 7:26pm

LH Pathe wrote: »

E is the dangerous designer disco-infiltrating drug the tv shows of the 80s predicted. Became a must-take accompiament for most, to enjoy the 'music' what about the guy who has to collect his dole accompanied by his mother, lurching head-down brain- damaged and de-sensitized by one too many. Senses perma-dulled, unable to feel anythhing whatsoever anymore having got so high - that's the price; artificial buzz to artificial music in artificial environment. Robotic music/Robotic poeple. Don't be a sucker - don't be a hipster. Don't take e; don't attend raves. Nobody says you have to, ignore the hip herd majority and do yores own thing

Nodin · 08-07-2012 7:27pm

Atlantis50 wrote: »

How does that support your claim that crime rates were higher at the time when borstals were in existence?

I didn't make that claim. However in the 1860's when there was imprisonment for a vast range of minor offences, crime was higher than it is now.

Arciphel · 08-07-2012 7:29pm

Have just seen this other video posted on another site...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3ms6wsYLI

immersive · 08-07-2012 7:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Let people drink til 6 but don't sell drinks above a certain strength at certain times? People should be able to go out without being treated like children but strong drinks shouldn't be sold? Huh?

I've seen this work in Australia amongst other countries. A bar is opened all night. You can buy alcohol all night but the sale of cocktails is stopped at a certain hour, shots for example at another hour. It's just one example. Maybe it wouldn't work but this whole excuse of cheap alcohol and lets close venues even earlier is rubbish.

Bobeagleburger · 08-07-2012 7:31pm

LH Pathe wrote: »

E is the dangerous designer disco-infiltrating drug the tv shows of the 80s predicted. Became a must-take accompiament for most, to enjoy the 'music' what about the guy who has to collect his dole accompanied by his mother, lurching head-down brain- damaged and de-sensitized by one too many. Senses perma-dulled, unable to feel anythhing whatsoever anymore having got so high - that's the price; artificial buzz to artificial music in artificial environment. Robotic music/Robotic poeple. Don't be a sucker - don't be a hipster. Don't take e; don't attend raves. Nobody says you have to, ignore the hip herd majority and do yores own thing

http://greginmotion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/03-cool-story-bro.jpg

Brain Stroking · 08-07-2012 7:31pm

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

No you stated:
Then you said:
So what one is is exactly? That we need to learn the affects of recreational drugs or that it's not the fault of other drugs bar alcohol?

I am not talking about the societal effects of recreational drugs. I am talking about their actual effects. If there was no alcohol at that gig yesterday (impossible i know) and everyone was just off their heads then i sincerely believe that we wouldnt be talking about the violence that occurred. Alcohol is the common denominator.

To others speaking about an old man enjoying his pint, thats not what i'm talking about. Alcohol makes the most timid people aggressive. But, as it's legal and taxable, it's consistently ignored.

flyswatter · 08-07-2012 7:32pm

Arciphel wrote: »

Have just seen this other video posted on another site...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3ms6wsYLI

That security guard is awesome at pushing! Just look at him go!

VEN · 08-07-2012 7:32pm

LH Pathe wrote: »

E is the dangerous designer disco-infiltrating drug the tv shows of the 80s predicted. Became a must-take accompiament for most, to enjoy the 'music' what about the guy who has to collect his dole accompanied by his mother, lurching head-down brain- damaged and de-sensitized by one too many. Senses perma-dulled, unable to feel anythhing whatsoever anymore having got so high - that's the price; artificial buzz to artificial music in artificial environment. Robotic music/Robotic poeple. Don't be a sucker - don't be a hipster. Don't take e; don't attend raves. Nobody says you have to, ignore the hip herd majority and do yores own thing

where did you get this from?

LH Pathe · 08-07-2012 7:33pm

Onixx wrote: »

It wasn't a rave because it's 2012, not 1990. Plus, raves played good music.

maybe to you, purist organic grafter bastard like me insists 'no'.

yesterday was pop. what's popular. What's the norm now, a rank computerized amalgmatin of rap and rave. With 'rockstar' fantasies being fulfilled by employing session musicians that facelessly lend some musical validity albeit itself, by numbers

Atlantis50 · 08-07-2012 7:33pm

Nodin wrote: »

I didn't make that claim. However in the 1860's when there was imprisonment for a vast range of minor offences, crime was higher than it is now.

Now the ball is in your court to back that claim up with statistics.

Brain Stroking · 08-07-2012 7:34pm

criticalcritic wrote: »

I dont equate an old man having a line at the local hotspot after his dinner with some scumbag who buys some hooch of unknown origin off some even lower scumbag then shoves it down his throat.

Give me the environment of my sitting room with joints flowing over some banter over sticking toxic subtances down your gullet having a manic episode

I work in a pscyh hospital mate. drug addicts are a pushover to treat over psyhcotic alcoholics

FYP = the difference culturally between something being legal and illegal

Madam_X · 08-07-2012 7:35pm

I would agree alcohol is likely to be the causal factor for a lot of the violence that has people saying "They were high as kites Joe." Easier to blame the illegal substance. A heroin/crack/meth/prescription drug (e.g. benzo)/even pot addict and a person who takes an amphetamine/line of coke/smokes a joint now and again are not even comparable - there is a tendency for some to lump all drugs into one homogenous mass, however there are so many variables.

Cocaine mixed with alcohol can cause awful aggression though.

It's disingenuous however to compare an auld fella having a pint in the local to a junkie, as if those are the only two scenarios. Of course former is preferable to the latter.
But what about: an alcoholic, barely able to function, and a person, perfectly healthy and doing fine for themselves in all aspects of life, who takes one or two E every few months at big events?

thebaz · 08-07-2012 7:37pm

immersive wrote: »

I've seen this work in Australia amongst other countries. A bar is opened all night. You can buy alcohol all night but the sale of cocktails is stopped at a certain hour, shots for example at another hour. It's just one example. Maybe it wouldn't work but this whole excuse of cheap alcohol and lets close venues even earlier is rubbish.

at a guess , I would say 80% of the alcohol that caused any of the major problem yesterday was bought cheaply in supermarkets - as an ex problem drinker I find the demise of the Irish bar is a bad thing for Irish society , it has simply been replaced by the gluttonous binge drinking of cheap off licence booze

Nodin · 08-07-2012 7:37pm

LH Pathe wrote: »

maybe to you, purist organic grafter bastard like me insists 'no'.

yesterday was pop. what's popular. What's the norm now, a rank computerized amalgmatin of rap and rave. With 'rockstar' fantasies being fulfilled by employing session musicians that facelessly lend some musical validity albeit itself, by numbers

I'm not the only one who didn't manage "Finnegans Wake", I trust?

immersive · 08-07-2012 7:38pm

sink wrote: »

I have been to many dance music gigs over the years and I've never seen trouble at the majority of them, but they would usually be attended by a maturer audience. There is a subset of dance music that attracts a very young crowd 17-21 and it's usually the current chart toppers. At that age they seem to care less about the music and are more attracted by the alcohol and drug fuelled revelry, with less experience and knowledge of how to handle it.

This is so true. Shm are commercially successfull now. Not to mentioned the production work on other chart music. Will I am s new song is produced by shm. It's the likes of them etc that attract the young 17, 18 year olds. A lot of them will continue drinking into oblivion (the irish way) while more will continue to discover electronic music and educate themselves as they grow up.

Tombi! · 08-07-2012 7:39pm

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I am not talking about the societal effects of recreational drugs. I am talking about their actual effects. If there was no alcohol at that gig yesterday (impossible i know) and everyone was just off their heads then i sincerely believe that we wouldnt be talking about the violence that occurred. Alcohol is the common denominator.

To others speaking about an old man enjoying his pint, thats not what i'm talking about. Alcohol makes the most timid people aggressive. But, as it's legal and taxable, it's consistently ignored.

No, it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry, but you don't.

I've seen completely sober scumbags beat people within an inch of their lives. I've seen drunk people help others when they fall down.

Alcohol doesn't make timid people violent. It reduces inhibitions. It makes it more likely than violent scumbags will be violent scumbags. Alcohol isn't a common factor. Scumbags are the common factor.

Prop Joe · 08-07-2012 7:40pm

df1985 wrote: »

oh piss off.

I was at the gig last night, yes i was on drugs, the only altercation i had was putting my arms around random people all loved up, and 9am tomorrow ill be back beihind the office desk working 9-5 paying my taxes like everyone else.

Dont tar everyone with the same brush.

On a serious note, I hope the people stabbed ok. and for the folks who overdosed...they only wanted a good time like everyone else. god help their families.

You are an idiot

Madam_X · 08-07-2012 7:41pm

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

No, it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry, but you don't.

I've seen completely sober scumbags beat people within an inch of their lives. I've seen drunk people help others when they fall down.

Alcohol doesn't make timid people violent. It reduces inhibitions. It makes it more likely than violent scumbags will be violent scumbags. Alcohol isn't a common factor. Scumbags are the common factor.

Too much alcohol can most definitely make reasonable people rowdy and aggressive though. What that person is saying is: recreational drugs are less likely to do this (with the exception of cocaine I'd think) because they have a "loved up" effect.

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