E-Cigarettes - The original thread

mewso · 01-06-2011 2:48pm

Normally next day probably dependent on how early/late you order and stock etc. You should have it by tomorrow.

beano345 · 01-06-2011 2:50pm

thanks just one other thing i ordered a joye 510 b atomizer will this work with the standard joye 510?

mewso · 01-06-2011 3:30pm

beano345 wrote: »

thanks just one other thing i ordered a joye 510 b atomizer will this work with the standard joye 510?

Well I've heard of an eGo 510 mega atty type B and an eGo-T type b but not a 510 b so I'm not sure what it is but every single 510 atty fits any 510 battery in my experience. The only issues that arise are with some devices that can't take the mega/eGo sized 510 but the standard Joye batteries take them all.

* sorry you mean the standard cigarette sized battery. I think they should be ok but not with a LR atty.

beano345 · 01-06-2011 3:35pm

cheers,just on a side note all my family have converted to vaping even my father who smoked forty a day for 45 years made the transition easily,he does'nt have to use an inhaler anymore and his breathing does'nt sound like a truck going uphill in 2nd gear,i never thought i'd see him off the normal smokes.just a sucess story for anyone thinking of converting to vaping:D thanks for all the info here

Samba · 01-06-2011 5:17pm

Almost have all my home work done and finally getting up to speed on everything.

The liquid is my last stumbling block, I've been reading that the dekang juices are quite low quality and the finest are the Halo (by god they are pricey!).

The one you recommended Mewso, is that a Dekang based liquid?

Joye Tobacco liquid

I've gone to a few sites now and it's rarely, if ever indicated what type of juice it is.

For example..

http://www.thebestshop.eu/premium-eliquid/cat_38.html

That like all advertised juices don't state if they are dekang based or European... ?

wingnut32 · 01-06-2011 5:25pm

beano345 wrote: »

just ordered some e-liquid and a new battery for my joye 510 from the best shop.does anybody know what their delivery times are like?im stuck without a working e-cig at the moment and don't want to go back to analogs for a day or two

Next day delivery. They also are selling the 510-t starter kit now.

There will be a couple of new e-ciggy's on their site in hopefully the not so distant future, some with excellent battery life!

mewso · 01-06-2011 5:29pm

Dekang aren't what I would call low quality. The liquid is fine but the flavours are quite basic but it is very much in your interest to see if you take a fancy to any of their flavours (their menthol is as good as anything I've tried) as you can get their stuff in bulk for good prices. Don't think this liquid is manafactured in shed or anything. It is mass produced in state of the art labs in China to the best of my knowledge. It's cheap because it's popular and mass produced.

The Joye Tobacco liquid is not Dekang. Back when I bought my first e-cig the included carts had a generic tobacco flavour but nothing else I tried was quite the same. Then along came this stuff (as Titan Tobacco at Totally Wicked and simply Joye Tobacco on the Vapour Store) and lo and behold this was the stuff from the early days. Simple flavour with a good throat hit. I still love it.

I'm pretty sure that the Best Shop's premium liquid is Hangsen which is another Chinese manufacturer but you'll notice it's a mixture of VG and PG bases which is common among "Premium" liquids for that perfect combination of vapour production and throat hit (not that perfect really but sold as such). Liberty Flights in the UK do a wide range of Hangsen in straight PG or VG. The Hangsen stuff is more flavourful imo and well worth a look particularly if you want to find a good tobacco flavour. Plenty of options.

One tip to know where a liquid is sourced is if they don't say it's probably China. If it's sourced locally or in Europe or the US it will be in big letters as it's a selling point for many particularly in the US where xenophobia is an artform.

Samba · 01-06-2011 6:04pm

I probably should have worded that better, the main issue from what I gather is that consistency is lacking, batches can supposedly vary greatly .

Joye Tobacco ordered and I have a sampler of a variety of 5ml dakeng ordered, you're right though, no better judge than myself, i'll report back.

Cheers

mewso · 01-06-2011 6:09pm

Samba wrote: »

I probably should have worded that better, the main issue from what I gather is that consistency is lacking, batches supposedly can vary greatly apparently.

Joye Tobacco ordered and I have a sampler of a variety of 5ml dakeng ordered, you're right though, no better judge than myself, i'll report back.

Cheers

The big problem I find is that liquid tastes different to me in the old carts with filler material versus the new tank systems so I'm kind of having to re-investigate liquids to a degree to find stuff that tastes good in the tanks. I'm far from an expert in Dekang. When I started I found the tobacco and marlboro fine but the last batch of both flavours I bought were disgusting to my taste for some reason. I really don't know if I got a bad batch, if they changed something or what but I haven't really vaped Dekang since. I still have DK Menthol which has been the one reliable from them for me.

Samba · 01-06-2011 6:52pm

mewso wrote: »

The big problem I find is that liquid tastes different to me in the old carts with filler material versus the new tank systems so I'm kind of having to re-investigate liquids to a degree to find stuff that tastes good in the tanks. I'm far from an expert in Dekang. When I started I found the tobacco and marlboro fine but the last batch of both flavours I bought were disgusting to my taste for some reason. I really don't know if I got a bad batch, if they changed something or what but I haven't really vaped Dekang since. I still have DK Menthol which has been the one reliable from them for me.

That's strange alright, I got Camal and Mocha VG dekang, wouldn't describe them as horrible in anyway shape or form, when the juice vapes properly (tough with 100% VG) it tastes good but nothing like what they are supposed to.

Camal is like apple light and the Mocha has a tinge of coffee but tastes more like sweet wine/candy.

I got three bottles and as I'll only need it to top off my PG when it gets here, I'd be happy to pop one in the post for you, a little thank you for all the great advice given, fire me a pm if you want to test it out.

bryaner · 01-06-2011 7:27pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

http://www.thebestshop.eu/joye-ego/joye-ego-t-xl-starter-kit/prod_174.html

thats the best one to get starting off with, still the one I have and use mostly. For throat hit, afaik the higher the nicotine content of the juice the stronger the throat hit.. so for your first order maybe get a 24mg juice in whatever flavour you want. I quite like the ry4 juice, it's tobacco flavoured but with a kinda hint of something.. caramel or something sweet.

Jaysus the more I look the more my head hurts, I was looking at this instead because its €20 cheaper, do they work on the same principle?

http://www.thebestshop.eu/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/joye-510-manual-starter-kit/prod_2.html

Sorry for the silly questions..

wingnut32 · 01-06-2011 7:35pm

bryaner wrote: »

Jaysus the more I look the more my head hurts, I was looking at this instead because its €20 cheaper, do they work on the same principle?

http://www.thebestshop.eu/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/joye-510-manual-starter-kit/prod_2.html

Sorry for the silly questions..

Do yourself a favour and just order this, most people who are starting now start out with this. You cant go wrong...when you start getting bored with it the you can start trying other variations (cartos, clearos etc.).

http://www.thebestshop.eu/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/new-ego-t-650-starter-kit/prod_186.html

mewso · 01-06-2011 8:24pm

Samba wrote: »

That's strange alright, I got Camal and Mocha VG dekang, wouldn't describe them as horrible in anyway shape or form, when the juice vapes properly (tough with 100% VG) it tastes good but nothing like what they are supposed to.

Camal is like apple light and the Mocha has a tinge of coffee but tastes more like sweet wine/candy.

I got three bottles and as I'll only need it to top off my PG when it gets here, I'd be happy to pop one in the post for you, a little thank you for all the great advice given, fire me a pm if you want to test it out.

Cheers Samba but I'm overloaded in liquid at the moment so it would be wasted on me.

bryaner · 01-06-2011 8:49pm

wingnut32 wrote: »

Do yourself a favour and just order this, most people who are starting now start out with this. You cant go wrong...when you start getting bored with it the you can start trying other variations (cartos, clearos etc.).

http://www.thebestshop.eu/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/new-ego-t-650-starter-kit/prod_186.html

Right I'm going for the plunge soon will I go with the juice Sir Digby Chicken Caesar recommends the ry4?

wingnut32 · 01-06-2011 9:23pm

bryaner wrote: »

Right I'm going for the plunge soon will I go with the juice Sir Digby Chicken Caesar recommends the ry4?

I started with ry4 and its still my favourite

bryaner · 01-06-2011 9:28pm

wingnut32 wrote: »

I started with ry4 and its still my favourite

Sound, order going in I have enough tobacco to do me till friday, then hopefully see ya dirty smokes.

Cheers for the help all.

Elevelyn · 01-06-2011 10:28pm

I would also advise that anyone starting up should get some menthol.

Its my all day vape and my sister tried it, didn't like the menthol flavour so ordered a starter kit with ry4 and apple, anyway she ordered some menthol a few days ago and now she loves it and uses the ry4 only for a change.

Agonist · 02-06-2011 10:48pm

Elevelyn wrote: »

I would also advise that anyone starting up should get some menthol.

Its my all day vape and my sister tried it, didn't like the menthol flavour so ordered a starter kit with ry4 and apple, anyway she ordered some menthol a few days ago and now she loves it and uses the ry4 only for a change.

I've been vaping Green Mint from thebestshop.eu and it's great. A clear mint flavour with a yummy sweetness. I may stick to this as my preferred juice.

iPlop · 02-06-2011 10:51pm

Agonist wrote: »

I've been vaping Green Mint from thebestshop.eu and it's great. A clear mint flavour with a yummy sweetness. I may stick to this as my preferred juice.

I'm a Dekang Menthol myself ,50ml for €15 @ vapourireland

Agonist · 02-06-2011 10:52pm

A quick question:

I've been vaping for about three days without supplementing it with cigarettes. I was a very very heavy smoker, chain smoking Gitanes when I could get them. So I've been vaping 24mg juice, about 3ml per day (2 Ego-T B cartridges) and I've started feeling like sh*t with headaches and irritability.

Question is: Is this caused by too much nicotine or too little? What's your experience with balancing nicotine intake?

Agonist · 02-06-2011 10:59pm

Opit wrote: »

Also next week I'll get to test a new babe (full eGo or battery only - I don't know)

Hey Opit, what's the story with this battery with the LCD display. Is it going to be stocked by thebestshop? It looks like it will fit an Ego-T atty? Will it come in 900mAh?

It looks cool as f*ck :cool:

Sorry for the multiple posts but they're on very different topics. Someone please start a social group so we can get the info without trawling 1500 posts

iPlop · 02-06-2011 11:03pm

Agonist wrote: »

A quick question:

I've been vaping for about three days without supplementing it with cigarettes. I was a very very heavy smoker, chain smoking Gitanes when I could get them. So I've been vaping 24mg juice, about 3ml per day (2 Ego-T B cartridges) and I've started feeling like sh*t with headaches and irritability.

Question is: Is this caused by too much nicotine or too little? What's your experience with balancing nicotine intake?

Short answer ,YES, too much nicotine. I had the same problem myself until I dropped down to 18mg.

bryaner · 03-06-2011 10:33am

Right my eGO has landed putting it trough the coffee test atm, only problem is I don't seem to be getting a good plume seems a bit weak compared to the father in laws intellicig, battery is fully charged.

Edit: Just pushed the mouth piece in a bit and the next vape nearly went to me toes..

Count Dooku · 03-06-2011 10:58am

bryaner wrote: »

Right my eGO has landed putting it trough the coffee test atm, only problem is I don't seem to be getting a good plume seems a bit weak compared to the father in laws intellicig, battery is fully charged.

Probably you need LR atomizer
thebestshop has one genuine and cheaper one from other manufacturer

bryaner · 03-06-2011 11:02am

Jaysus I think this is gona work, thanks to all for the advice especially to mewso for starting such a helpful thread.

Agonist · 03-06-2011 12:50pm

Does anyone have any idea how to convert vaping nicotine dose into the equivalent analogue dose?

Here's my back of an envelope calculations. Looks like I'm getting less nicotine now

Analogues
20 cigarettes per day
10 mg nicotine per cig
200mg nicotine per day

E-cigarettes
2 cartridges per day.
1.5 ml per cartridge
3 ml per day
24 mg nicotine per ml
72 mg nicotine per day

Count Dooku · 03-06-2011 1:25pm

Agonist wrote: »

Does anyone have any idea how to convert vaping nicotine dose into the equivalent analogue dose?

Here's my back of an envelope calculations. Looks like I'm getting less nicotine now

Analogues
20 cigarettes per day
10 mg nicotine per cig 1.2 mg nicotine per cig
200mg nicotine per day 24 mg nicotine per day

E-cigarettes
2 cartridges per day.
1.5 ml per cartridge
3 ml per day
24 mg nicotine per ml
72 mg nicotine per day

Corrected

bryaner · 03-06-2011 1:47pm

Count Dooku wrote: »

Corrected

I better go handy on this thing I'm on me 2nd tank already..

Noreen1 · 03-06-2011 2:29pm

bryaner wrote: »

I better go handy on this thing I'm on me 2nd tank already..

If you look on the side, or the back of whatever brand of cigs you used to smoke, you'll find a table giving the tar and nicotine content per cigarette.
(I think Silk Cut is 0.6mg nicotine, and B+H are either 1.2, or 1.4 Mg)
Just do the math to calculate your daily nicotine intake.

I have a theory (and it is purely my own opinion), that nicotine is not the only addictive substance in fags... reason being, the OH was very edgy when he changed over to the eGo first.
No matter how much he smoked the eGo, he still felt he wanted "something", without knowing what he wanted.

His solution was to smoke the eGo as a normal fag, until the craving for a fag hit - then smoke a normal fag.
As the days went on, he smoked fewer analogue cigs., and gradually switched to all e-cigs.

After that, he started gradually reducing the nicotine strength, by adding one drop of 0 nicotine juice to the tank, then two, etc.

He's now adding 4 drops of 18mg strength e-juice per tank, the rest is 0 nicotine.
So far, it's working for him - I don't know how it would work for anyone else, but it might be worth a try for anyone who's struggling.

Good luck!

mewso · 03-06-2011 2:37pm

You've got bear in mind the one factor not included in these kind of calculations. You are comparing the most efficient nicotine delivery system known to man (i.e. the combustion of a cigarette) to a completely new delivery system whose efficiency remains to be determined from proper testing. If I need a toke, vape, puff whatever you want to call it I take one simple as that. I'll worry about everything else when we have more information. In the strictest sense we have no proof that this is safer but it is very likely so that'll do me for now.

bryaner · 03-06-2011 4:01pm

Noreen1 wrote: »

If you look on the side, or the back of whatever brand of cigs you used to smoke, you'll find a table giving the tar and nicotine content per cigarette.
(I think Silk Cut is 0.6mg nicotine, and B+H are either 1.2, or 1.4 Mg)
Just do the math to calculate your daily nicotine intake.

I have a theory (and it is purely my own opinion), that nicotine is not the only addictive substance in fags... reason being, the OH was very edgy when he changed over to the eGo first.
No matter how much he smoked the eGo, he still felt he wanted "something", without knowing what he wanted.

His solution was to smoke the eGo as a normal fag, until the craving for a fag hit - then smoke a normal fag.
As the days went on, he smoked fewer analogue cigs., and gradually switched to all e-cigs.

After that, he started gradually reducing the nicotine strength, by adding one drop of 0 nicotine juice to the tank, then two, etc.

He's now adding 4 drops of 18mg strength e-juice per tank, the rest is 0 nicotine.
So far, it's working for him - I don't know how it would work for anyone else, but it might be worth a try for anyone who's struggling.

Good luck!

Thanks sounds like a good formula, so far today I've managed to smoke only one fag and vape the rest, it seems pretty good at repelling the demons.

I'm gona take it to the max later and go for a pint, that will be the ultimate test.

Cheers again.

Agonist · 03-06-2011 4:03pm

mewso wrote: »

You've got bear in mind the one factor not included in these kind of calculations. You are comparing the most efficient nicotine delivery system known to man (i.e. the combustion of a cigarette) to a completely new delivery system whose efficiency remains to be determined from proper testing. *If I need a toke, vape, puff whatever you want to call it* I take one simple as that. I'll worry about everything else when we have more information. In the strictest sense we have no proof that this is safer but it is very likely so that'll do me for now.

I love that guy on youtube who calls it a "toot" :pac:

mewso · 03-06-2011 4:04pm

Agonist wrote: »

I love that guy on youtube who calls it a "toot" :pac:

Yeah the guys in the US seem to have adopted that one. Is it good enough for us Europeans though?

Agonist · 03-06-2011 4:17pm

mewso wrote: »

Yeah the guys in the US seem to have adopted that one. Is it good enough for us Europeans though?

It has vaguely Irish roots though.
Bing Crosby in 1945 sang McNamara's Band.

"Hennessy Tennesy tootles his flute
Oh, sure tis something grand"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara's_Band

Maybe I'm older than you think ;-)

theblueirish · 03-06-2011 6:04pm

ovale wrote: »

You can get your original 510-T and the original Ovale e-liquid from ovaleireland.com

Is this the same company as ecirettesolutions.com?

mewso · 03-06-2011 6:05pm

Overpriced is what it is no matter what company it is.

theblueirish · 03-06-2011 6:36pm

but you get free delivery when you spend over €65:pac:

Opit · 03-06-2011 7:52pm

ovale wrote: »

You can get your original 510-T and the original Ovale e-liquid from ovaleireland.com

55euro for 510-T and 70euro for eGo-T !! Crazy !! It must be made of gold?!
Ovale pouch looks cool but again toooo expensive.
Someone there forget about recession

ArseBook · 03-06-2011 8:22pm

Why are the Thebestshop.eu just selling generic 510-t starter kits? I can't find any Irish site to buy the genuine Joye one from other than VapourIreland which I don't want to use due to past experience. The past experience being that I've gotten generic product from them which packed in very quickly so I am also hesitant to buy more knockoffs.

Will they be getting the JoyE one soon?

Opit · 03-06-2011 8:48pm

ArseBook wrote: »

Why are the Thebestshop.eu just selling generic 510-t starter kits? I can't find any Irish site to buy the genuine Joye one from other than VapourIreland which I don't want to use due to past experience. The past experience being that I've gotten generic product from them which packed in very quickly so I am also hesitant to buy more knockoffs.

Will they be getting the JoyE one soon?

Because orginal Joye 510-T has crappy auto battery (still the same sound sensor!). Believe me this kit passed long tests and quality is really high (the same as Joye or even better). A few other guys from this forum also tested this product before it went on sale.
The same factory redesigned 510 auto battery for thebestshop and soon you will see for sale new 510 battery with real vaccum sensor (same as 901).

Tell me why they sell also manual ones? http://www.heaven-gifts.com/product-329.html

ArseBook · 03-06-2011 8:53pm

Opit wrote: »

Because orginal Joye 510-T has crappy auto battery (still the same sound sensor!). Believe me this kit passed long tests and quality is really high (the same as Joye or even better). A few other guys from this forum also tested this product before it went on sale.
The same factory redesigned 510 auto battery for thebestshop and soon you will see for sale new 510 battery with real vaccum sensor (same as 901).

Tell me why they sell also manual ones? http://www.heaven-gifts.com/product-329.html

Thanks for that info, I didn't realise that version was a quality one.

I have no idea about your question.

Opit · 03-06-2011 9:28pm

ArseBook wrote: »

Thanks for that info, I didn't realise that version was a quality one.

I have no idea about your question.

Heaven Gifts - they sold first automatic versions. Later realized that this is not the best choice so now sell only manual version. Joye produces really crappy auto batteries.
Some time ago you could buy Joye eGo auto batteries (still have one) but not anymore because it's crap.
If you want good auto ecig get 901 or wait until thebestshop releases a new 510 auto battery.

Esel · 04-06-2011 12:32am

One cigarette may contain 1.2mg of nicotine, but a smoker does not inhale the entire cigarette - think of the time elapsing between drags. I'd hazard a guess at 50% max.

bryaner · 04-06-2011 1:03am

Tested with a few beers, tough but this is my first go at it..

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-06-2011 1:08am

it can take a while to get used to vaping while drinking, but you will in the end.

Esel · 04-06-2011 1:09am

^ Try saying 'A gottle of gear' at the same time as well!

Agonist · 04-06-2011 2:11am

Esel wrote: »

One cigarette may contain 1.2mg of nicotine, but a smoker does not inhale the entire cigarette - think of the time elapsing between drags. I'd hazard a guess at 50% max.

I'm finding I need two or three type B (2 ml) cartridges per day. Any less and I get cravings for a smoke. That's what's suggested on thebestshop site too. I'm a massively heavy smoker.

There'll need to be more research on how the nicotine is absorbed. It's not adding up. I checked a packet of Samson and it said 0.1 1.0 mg per average smoke. Two packs a week (~120 cigarettes) doesn't add up to much nicotine, but obviously they are very strong, stronger than Marlboro for example.

Any links to research studies if they exist please post here.

Esel · 04-06-2011 2:36am

Agonist wrote: »

I checked a packet of Samson and it said 0.1 mg per average smoke.

A typo on your part? I would have thought 1.0mg?

Agonist · 04-06-2011 2:43am

Esel wrote: »

A typo on your part? I would have thought 1.0mg?

Well spotted. It's 0.8 to 1.3 mg per cig.

Samba · 04-06-2011 10:15am

I would have considered myself a pretty dedicated smoker, averaging 10-15 a day and 20 if playing poker or doing some other potentially stressful activity.
When I first started vaping 10 days ago, I couldn't put it down using 18mg 100% VG but I found it was too much for me, even for someone who could easily smoke 20 Camel on a given day.

The Joye Tobacco 11mg landed yesterday, loving this stuff and I find that 11mg is more than sufficient for me, I consumed slightly less than two small carts in one day.

Next order I'm going to drop down levels to 6mg and the plan is to gradually reduce my intake to 0.

Now that I have the Joye Tobacco it's the first time I've been able to vape properly the VG was too thick, first morning I haven't had a smoke, I was still getting my staple 3 in these past 10 days due to vaping issues.

Now 100% analog free from here on in.

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