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Nelson Mandela has passed

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    #542
    AerynSun
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    There is a (comparatively) HUGE Jewish community in South Africa, and for the most part Jewish South Africans supported the anti-Apartheid struggle because they knew what it was like to be an oppressed people. They stood alongside black South Africans, in solidarity. Not because there was some Zionist agenda, but because they felt it was the right thing to do. My high school English teacher was Jewish, and in retrospect I have the highest regard for the way she respectfully challenged some very racist attitudes that emerged from her white students.

    Mossad's activities in South Africa during the Apartheid era were generally counter the Broederbond zeal for keeping Apartheid in place.

    Yes, I know - the current situation in Palestine raises a LOT of questions: why do people who know what it's like to be oppressed not understand the suffering of oppressed Palestinians? I honestly don't know enough about the middle East to try to answer that.

    But suggesting that Jewish support of anti-Apartheid activists and structures in South Africa was a Zionist plot... is like saying that David Icke and Sarah Palin are the most rational people on the planet.


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    #543
    Awakened
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Awakened


    Nodin wrote: »
    The only fact thus far you've produced is that Nelson Mandela sung a song beside a Jewish individual.

    Why do you mention the USSR and Karl Marx?

    Might have something to do with this.
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    #544
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Awakened wrote: »
    Might have something to do with this.
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    Yes, the ANC were communist.......your point?


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    #545
    Awakened
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Awakened


    AerynSun wrote: »
    There is a (comparatively) HUGE Jewish community in South Africa, and for the most part Jewish South Africans supported the anti-Apartheid struggle because they knew what it was like to be an oppressed people. They stood alongside black South Africans, in solidarity. Not because there was some Zionist agenda, but because they felt it was the right thing to do. My high school English teacher was Jewish, and in retrospect I have the highest regard for the way she respectfully challenged some very racist attitudes that emerged from her white students.

    Mossad's activities in South Africa during the Apartheid era were generally counter the Broederbond zeal for keeping Apartheid in place.

    Yes, I know - the current situation in Palestine raises a LOT of questions: why do people who know what it's like to be oppressed not understand the suffering of oppressed Palestinians? I honestly don't know enough about the middle East to try to answer that.

    But suggesting that Jewish support of anti-Apartheid activists and structures in South Africa was a Zionist plot... is like saying that David Icke and Sarah Palin are the most rational people on the planet.

    Thank's for you're input rabbi....but I don't think it applys to my original question ......nice try to derail what my points are.......well done :)


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    #546
    Awakened
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭Awakened


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, the ANC were communist.......your point?

    Nothing to point out........refer to my original post!

    Draw you're own conclusions!......


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    #547
    Piliger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, the ANC were communist.......your point?

    The ANC were never communists. Neither was Mandela. And China is nothing near being a communist state. Where do people get this crap from ?


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    AerynSun
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Awakened wrote: »
    Thank's for you're input rabbi....but I don't think it applys to my original question ......nice try to derail what my points are.......well done :)

    It's high praise indeed to be called rabbi, but it would be disingenuous of me to keep the compliment without pointing out that I am not in fact a rabbi. Nor am I Jewish, despite the Jewish genes in my DNA.

    I wasn't at all trying to derail your points - I was filling in some information that might contribute to your understanding of South African history. I hope I've helped. But since you feel that I haven't 'gotten it' as far as your question/points are concerned, you're going to need to go slowly for me here: what ARE your points, exactly?

    I notice you avoided answering a request for clarification by Nodin regarding your original post - but if your original post has left some of us confused about what you're trying to say... wouldn't you be better off giving us a quick summary, rather than suggesting we 'draw our own conclusions', when it seems you're disappointed by the conclusions we're drawing?


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    #549
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Piliger wrote: »
    The ANC were never communists. Neither was Mandela. And China is nothing near being a communist state. Where do people get this crap from ?

    China may have moved towards a capitalist economy, but politically they're the perfect communist country. Hardly "nowhere near" now is it?


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    #550
    AerynSun
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Piliger wrote: »
    The ANC were never communists. Neither was Mandela. And China is nothing near being a communist state. Where do people get this crap from ?

    Many ANC members were in fact communists. Many more of them would have described themselves as socialists, or Marxists at the very least. And Nelson Mandela attended a good number of communist meetings. This is not a problem - this was the foundation for the struggle against the bourgeois Afrikaner regime.

    And today, the Communist Party is still a member of the tripartite alliance that has seen the ANC retain power. They are aligned to the Young Communist League and COSATU (the parent body that NUMSA is currently calling on to abandon support of JZ and the ANC for the 2014 elections).


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    #551
    Awakened
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    Piliger wrote: »
    The ANC were never communists. Neither was Mandela. And China is nothing near being a communist state. Where do people get this crap from ?

    People like you that make statements like that, without research, just validate my points! You're just a fleece in the flock!
    BAHHHHH, BAHHHH


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    #552
    Piliger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Awakened wrote: »
    People like you that make statements like that, without research, just validate my points! You're just a fleece in the flock!
    BAHHHHH, BAHHHH

    Yada yada .. you have no evidence that they were or are or ever tried to implement communism or ever supported communism as a political system.

    if you have ... then cough it up here and we'll all stop laughing.


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    #553
    AerynSun
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Piliger wrote: »
    .. you have no evidence that they were or are or ever tried to implement communism or ever supported communism as a political system.

    The ANC's Freedom Charter of 1955 is based on sound Marxist ideology, explained well in the South African Communist Party's Political Programme 2012-2017.

    The common underlying ideology is what has kept the tripartite alliance together ... until now.

    JZ upgrading Nkandla isn't very socialist, and that's the basis for NUMSA calling for his resignation and asking COSATU to withdraw support for the ANC - because if the ANC's leadership is acting against the well documented socialist ideals of the alliance... then something is wrong.


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    #554
    humanji
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    When a thread descends into anti-Semitic ramblings, it's time to close it.


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