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The "live as it happens" Budget comment thread....

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    #512
    steamjetjoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭steamjetjoe


    I hate when members from other parties get up and leave :mad:


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    #513
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Ah, good, Joan Burton is on. Time to switch off for a while. Most moany,annoying voice in politics?


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    #514
    Alicat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,264 ✭✭✭✭Alicat


    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed, some people. How much of the total young & single unemployed would these people represent though? Not very much, I would expect, in fact I'd imagine most just don't want to move back in with their parents.

    Well I'm glad things are so cushy up your end of town that it's not a problem.

    Maybe they don't want to move in cause their parent(s) is/was abusive? Or they don't get on?

    Maybe they don't want to move in because their parents have no room?

    Maybe they dont want to move in because their parents are struggling already?

    Maybe their parents are dead?

    There are plenty of reasons for not "wanting" to move home that are perfectly reasonable. So while it seems insignificant to you, unless you have figures that prove otherwise, the "move home" option is not as easy as some are implying.


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    #515
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    adrieanne__x wrote: »
    Not too many, but there is still a need there.

    Absolutely! I'm not suggesting that that clause of Rent Allowance be changed in any way. I just wanted to point out that out of people who move out of home and lose their job soon after, not too many of them will get rent allowance to offset their loss in JSA.


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    #516
    [Deleted User]
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    gandalf wrote: »
    Just saw the details of the budget. Surprised at the fact he hit the lower paid ps! Will comment further when I get home.

    A lot of the PS who earn 30k or less are clerical staff who would be making much less in the private sector if they were doing the same job.


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    #517
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users Posts: 9,544 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    ssaye wrote: »
    Which sector of society will be first to "storm the Dail" I suggest the OAPs who will have to pay 50c per prescription from April 2010, all people who have medical cards whatever age will also have to pay this 50c.

    Wow - a whole 50c!


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    #518
    RodgerTheDoger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭RodgerTheDoger


    OK I see it this way:

    0 - 30K 5%
    next 40K is 30K - 70k at 7.5%
    next 55K is 70 - 125k at 10%


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    #519
    kadafi006
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭kadafi006


    steamjetjoe wrote: »
    I hate when members from other parties get up and leave :mad:

    Its a sign of protest. Who cares.


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    #520
    efb
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    gandalf wrote: »
    Just saw the details of the budget. Surprised at the fact he hit the lower paid ps! Will comment further when I get home.

    PS lower paid starts at €24K
    PR SEC starts at 19K

    24K is alot for filling forms


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    #521
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    A lot of the PS who earn 30k or less are clerical staff who would be making much less in the private sector if they were doing the same job.

    That doesn't make a bit of difference really, they're in the public sector, not the private sector. They're still low paid and they still got hit.


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    #522
    nesf
    Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    David Begg is talking ****. 70% of people haven't had their wages cut... Christ. The survey's he's quoting do not say what he says!


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    #523
    [Deleted User]
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    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    That doesn't make a bit of difference really, they're in the public sector, not the private sectory. They're still low paid and they still got hit.

    Sense make you good.


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    #524
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Alicat wrote: »
    Well I'm glad things are so cushy up your end of town that it's not a problem.

    Maybe they don't want to move in cause their parent(s) is/was abusive? Or they don't get on?

    Maybe they don't want to move in because their parents have no room?

    Maybe they dont want to move in because their parents are struggling already?

    Maybe their parents are dead?

    There are plenty of reasons for not "wanting" to move home that are perfectly reasonable. So while it seems insignificant to you, unless you have figures that prove otherwise, the "move home" option is not as easy as some are implying.
    That's a lot of maybe's. Bring some actual facts and numbers to the argument and we'll see how it floats then.

    For the time being, the best solution is for people to move home if they can't afford their lifestyle.


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    #525
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Jamie-b wrote: »
    This new applicant thing is rubbish. The new applicants are the ones who presumably have been working until now and not claiming benefits, and if they lose their job now they are worse off than someone unemployed all year! Crazy

    No, they'll get Job Seekers Benefit which barely got touched today.


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    #526
    Breaktown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭Breaktown


    jenzz wrote: »
    He said the reducion is 4.1% so thats where the €8 comes from

    Is it 4.1% or €8 though? (Not the same for me since JSA is means tested and I'm on a LOT less than the maximum amount). I've seen both written on different parts of the RTE and budget websites.


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    #527
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    It looks to me as if my public service pension is untouched: there was some ambiguity in how he put things, but I don't think that pensions are being reduced pro rata with current salaries. Possibly another indication of the political fear caused by the medical cards debacle. If my interpretation is correct, I have no hesitation in saying that it is a wrong decision.


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    #528
    Rb
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    nesf wrote: »
    David Begg is talking ****. 70% of people haven't had their wages cut... Christ. The survey's he's quoting do not say what he says!
    Oh Nesf, you're not expecting some thing reasonable from Mr. Begg these days, are you?


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    #529
    Tawny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Tawny


    Who is that talking now?


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    #530
    Ashanti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭Ashanti


    excellent speech by Bruton. He made his points decisively and had a go at the govt for not going after those who brought this country to this state. Those bank executives who are still in their high paid positions despite what the banking sector has done. Not to mention the other policies or lack thereof, which brought a thriving economy to the one of the worst in the EU.


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    #531
    Alicat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,264 ✭✭✭✭Alicat


    Rb wrote: »
    For the time being, the best solution is for people to move home if they can't afford their lifestyle, if circumstances allow

    FYP.


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    #532
    nesf
    Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    It looks to me as if my public service pension is untouched: there was some ambiguity in how he put things, but I don't think that pensions are being reduced pro rata with current salaries. Possibly another indication of the political fear caused by the medical cards debacle. If my interpretation is correct, I have no hesitation in saying that it is a wrong decision.

    Pensions will be dealt with in the 2011 budget with the changes being examined over the next year. That's what I got out of it anyway.


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    #533
    wicorthered
    Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭wicorthered


    Very annoyed the long term unemployed got off so lightly. Its only right newly redundant people who payed tax are looked after but my idea would be any one who has been unemployed for three years or more get slashed drastically!!!! Sick of seeing bums who never worked a day in their lives swanning around having the time of Reilly.


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    #534
    tudlytops
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭tudlytops


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    No, they'll get Job Seekers Benefit which barely got touched today.


    Agree this cuts should affect people claiming for say 6 month's or more, not the ones that just got made unemployed.


    Edited: sorry i used the wrong quote there. What are they doing about the long term unemployed?

    And what about those, sick, disabled or carers, it's not their fault they can't work, must they be condemned to a live of penny counting.


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    #535
    MOH
    Registered Users Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭MOH


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    No, they'll get Job Seekers Benefit which barely got touched today.

    RTE aren't helping
    New dole applicants aged 20 and 21, who have no dependent children, will have their payment reduced to €100 per week.

    Those aged between 22 and 24 will see a reduction to €150 per week.

    For all other cases, the rate will be reduced to €150 per week

    This certainly doesn't seem to be the case for JSB, it applies to JSA only.


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    #536
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Joan Burton on how "Nama killed santa claus" for families and that with lowering the cost of drink and cars it's lads budget Jermry clarkson would like.


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    #537
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Alicat wrote: »
    FYP.
    Exactly, I'm glad we see eye to eye on the matter.


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    #538
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Ashanti wrote: »
    excellent speech by Bruton. He made his points decisively and had a go at the govt for not going after those who brought this country to this state. Those bank executives who are still in their high paid positions despite what the banking sector has done. Not to mention the other policies or lack thereof, which brought a thriving economy to the one of the worst in the EU.

    You honestly think BankExecs are getting 2007 levels... No chance. And if they got share options...


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    #539
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    frman wrote: »
    Would you like to explain that to my Granny ?

    No problem. Put her on;)

    But seriously. Older people tend to have less financial committments and more allowances (medical cards, free schemes ...). But they get off scott free, while every other SW recipient gets a cut. Doesn't make sense.


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    #540
    PrideandLuna
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭PrideandLuna


    Hi I'm on a three day week and am currently getting €102p/w jobseekers benefit will i be cut to €75 p/w? I'm 23 and have a mortgage to pay....


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    #541
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Breaktown wrote: »
    Is it 4.1% or €8 though? (Not the same for me since JSA is means tested and I'm on a LOT less than the maximum amount). I've seen both written on different parts of the RTE and budget websites.

    4.1%, works out at €8.xx for the top max rate.
    Tawny wrote: »
    Who is that talking now?

    Joan Burton, the voice would drive you to madness.


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