Kildare GAA General Discussion Thread

BNMC · 02-03-2014 11:49pm

jimd2 wrote: »

disgraceful refereeing for the goal at the end. Mattie Donnelly took at least 8 steps in the build up.

Horrible way for the game to finish.

Clutching at straws. Donnelly was being fouled and the ref was playing advantage which he is entitled to do under the new rule.

Ahoy Ahoy · 02-03-2014 11:52pm

BNMC wrote: »

I'd rather Dublin beat us by 35 points and we stay up.

That's an outrageous statement to be honest.

Division 1 football is vital to this inexperienced team's progression.

Very true-doesn't matter who you beat or how you beat them as long as you don't get relegated.

Ahoy Ahoy · 02-03-2014 11:55pm

BNMC wrote: »

Clutching at straws. Donnelly was being fouled and the ref was playing advantage which he is entitled to do under the new rule.

Don't think you can blame the ref-no players objected and he was been fouled. Hard to blame anyone but maybe the keeper(who was solid all game) should of done slightly better-even punched it out.

klairondavis · 03-03-2014 12:15am

Some harsh lessons to be learned but that's Division 1 football. Silly mistakes and loose play will be punished. That's why it's so important that we do stay up. There is no better place to blood young players.

No point in blaming the ref. Hurley was superb for seventy minutes today but he will be kicking himself over that line ball in injury time.

Ahoy Ahoy · 03-03-2014 12:33am

klairondavis wrote: »

Some harsh lessons to be learned but that's Division 1 football. Silly mistakes and loose play will be punished. That's why it's so important that we do stay up. There is no better place to blood young players.

No point in blaming the ref. Hurley was superb for seventy minutes today but he will be kicking himself over that line ball in injury time.

Hurley impressed me the most of the Kildare players. I seen him play before but he really impressed me today. Tyrone tried a few different players on him.....he is very skilful for such a big guy. I remember hearing reports of a lack of disaplain.....something about him going to oxygen before a match. Kildare fans will be hoping he kicks on now and puts in more performances like today.

klairondavis · 03-03-2014 12:36am

Ahoy Ahoy wrote: »

Hurley impressed me the most of the Kildare players. I seen him play before but he really impressed me today. Tyrone tried a few different players on him.....he is very skilful for such a big guy. I remember hearing reports of a lack of disaplain.....something about him going to oxygen before a match. Kildare fans will be hoping he kicks on now and puts in more performances like today.

He could be our new Dermot Earley as long as he keeps his head down and works hard at it. He's still quite young so he has a bit of maturing to do yet but the talent is there.

Frankie Lee · 03-03-2014 1:22am

klairondavis wrote: »

He could be our new Dermot Earley as long as he keeps his head down and works hard at it. He's still quite young so he has a bit of maturing to do yet but the talent is there.

Reminds me a bit of Martin Lynch so he does. With the younger players showing signs of development and Daniel Flynn returning there is reason to be optimistic about the future of Kildare football.

munchkin_utd · 03-03-2014 9:49am

kencoo wrote: »

sickening to be beaten like that. I felt that Tyrone had resigned to be beaten - hmmm...
<snip>

not sure if thats meant sarchastically, but Tyrone and other teams that have a winning mentality never feel bet.
They know the game isnt over till the final whistle, and conversely they wouldnt be triumphially giving each other high fives like the Kildare players were aparantly doing going into the final stages of the game (according to RTE radio who was reporting on the dying stages)

The only positive is that they should learn from this and not let it happen in the championship.

largepants · 03-03-2014 10:12am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

not sure if thats meant sarchastically, but Tyrone and other teams that have a winning mentality never feel bet.
They know the game isnt over till the final whistle, and conversely they wouldnt be triumphially giving each other high fives like the Kildare players were aparantly doing going into the final stages of the game (according to RTE radio who was reporting on the dying stages)

The only positive is that they should learn from this and not let it happen in the championship.

Triumphally givng high fives? Really. By any chance would Banty have been a bit colourful with the truth. It looked to me as if the subs were just high fiving after being subbed. Every team does that but Banty makes a big deal of it.

klairondavis · 03-03-2014 10:22am

I certainly didn't see any triumphant high fiving going on. I wouldn't pay any attention to Banty at all.

Paranoid Mandroid · 03-03-2014 4:24pm

kencoo wrote: »

sickening to be beaten like that. I felt that Tyrone had resigned to be beaten - hmmm...

There are positives though in that in the past 3 games only a point between the teams against strong opposition without some of our best players. Interestingly we also have the highest amount of scores..... both for and against....

Id take relegation if we could just beat dublin next week and league form says we should be close.

Is beating Dublin in the league really that important to you? Why?

Always_Running · 03-03-2014 9:04pm

Jason Ryan making a number of changes in the final 10 mins thinking the game was over came back to bite him on the ass.

BNMC · 03-03-2014 9:12pm

I think it was more of a time wasting exercise. It totally distorted the shape of the team. Some players looked like they hadn't a clue where they were supposed to be playing. I like Ryan, I think he's a good manager, but he has to take some of the blame for that disaster yesterday. High fiving players that were coming off looked pretty bad when he should have been roaring instructions at his players.

It looks like it will take two more wins from our last four games to ensure Division football next year. Dublin(a), Westmeath(h), Kerry(h) and Derry(a). Realistically we need to win our two remaining home games, you don't want to be heading to Celtic Park for a must win game.

klairondavis · 03-03-2014 9:15pm

The Derry match is before the Westmeath match. I think we will do enough to stay up.

BNMC · 03-03-2014 9:21pm

Yeah, you're right. I think we'll do enough too.

Despite all the doom and gloom a win over Dublin will put us right back in contention for a semi final. They didn't look too sharp against Cork last Saturday and are struggling for scores so far this year.

Stranger things have happened...

grouchyman · 03-03-2014 11:07pm

How do you reckon the Dublin match will go folks? I think we're going to concede goals - how many probably about three. At the start of the league I figured we'd lose the Tyrone and Dublin matches and I still think Dublin will beat us, but please God - not another mauling. Saturday's match is going to be a character builder as they say. These lads will get no sympathy from the Dub supporters over the way we lost on Sunday. Tommy Carr and Banty going on about high-fiving won't help either. Though I must say from watching the match on TG4 I thought it was just a hand-shake (sort of well played) gesture so to speak, rather that we've this won now. Anyway roll on Saturday. Really looking forward to it.

klairondavis · 03-03-2014 11:20pm

It's gas how the small matter of a player having his hand shook as he is replaced becomes a flurry of high fives and backslapping in some pundits eyes only after a two goal collapse. If the referee had pulled the Tyrone lad for over carrying at the end then it wouldn't have even been mentioned and the same talking heads would be banging on about how well Kildare had played. Babs Keating was on the money when he said there was only a few inches between a pat on the back and a kick up the arse.

If we can produce a similar performance on Saturday I think we can do ok. Dublin are missing as many of their front line players as we are at the moment. I don't think we will win but it will be disappointing if we are not competitive. It's important that the under 21 players come through Wednesday night injury free for us to have any chance.

klairondavis · 05-03-2014 4:17pm

Kildare u21 v Offaly:

1 Shane McNamara (Celbridge)
2 Barry Egan (Clane)
3 Sean Higgins (Maynooth)
4 Shane O’Hagan (Kill)
5 Dylan Corcoran (Celbridge)
6 David Hyland (Athy)
7 Cian O’Donoghue (Clane)
8 Gavin Farrell (Castledermot)
9 Fergal Conway (Celbridge)
10 Barry Coffey (Sarsfields)
11 Tony Gibbons (Athy)
12 Paddy Brophy (Celbridge)
13 David Hughes (Celbridge)
14 Daniel Grehan (Clogherinkoe)
15 Neil Flynn (Maynooth)

BNMC · 05-03-2014 6:21pm

No Mick O'Grady? Injured?

klairondavis · 05-03-2014 6:24pm

Overage I think. He played under 21 in 2012 so he must be about 23 now.

BNMC · 05-03-2014 6:46pm

I was sure he was 18 or 19. Looks about 14.

klairondavis · 05-03-2014 6:54pm

He is very young looking alright!

I don't think we should be a 1/6 shot against Offaly who already have a big win down in Wexford under their belts. I know this group beat Offaly easily at minor level in Tullamore but that counts for nothing three years later. Niall Kelly and Daniel Flynn are two high class players that we can ill afford to be without for too long.

roy rodgers · 05-03-2014 9:07pm

Kildare 0-05 Offaly 0-06 half time

klairondavis · 05-03-2014 9:47pm

Offaly 0-13 Kildare 0-9

The scoreline does not flatter Offaly. A very disappointing night for Kildare.

BNMC · 05-03-2014 9:49pm

Offaly definitely our bogey team at this level.

Have to say, the dropping of Neil Flynn to start Daniel Flynn was a disgrace. The managements heads should roll.

klairondavis · 05-03-2014 9:56pm

I don't know why they had Grehan starting in the full forward line with Brophy much deeper. Surely it should have been the other way around?

I'm not sure if it would have made a big difference in the end. Offaly wanted it way more than our lads.

WarKinse · 07-03-2014 1:45pm

klairondavis wrote: »

I don't know why they had Grehan starting in the full forward line with Brophy much deeper. Surely it should have been the other way around?

Brophy is a serious ball winner, at U21 great option for kick-out's!

klairondavis · 07-03-2014 3:19pm

WarKinse wrote: »

klairondavis wrote: »

I don't know why they had Grehan starting in the full forward line with Brophy much deeper. Surely it should have been the other way around?

Brophy is a serious ball winner, at U21 great option for kick-out's!

He's much more of a danger inside. 9 points is a poor return. If Brophy had played in the corner or at the edge of the square I'm sure we would have put up a bigger score.

WarKinse · 07-03-2014 10:29pm

klairondavis wrote: »

WarKinse wrote: »

He's much more of a danger inside. 9 points is a poor return. If Brophy had played in the corner or at the edge of the square I'm sure we would have put up a bigger score.

I get where you're coming from but in my opinion that would have to be what the management were thinking, twinned with his running ability. Poor result without question, pe sceal e Cill Dara abu

BNMC · 08-03-2014 9:52pm

Jaysus.

That is all.

blowitupref · 08-03-2014 11:10pm

The Dubs weren't 10 points better tonight, Kildare will be kicking themselves about the amount of goals chances they missed. Next weekends game against Kerry will now be key.

klairondavis · 09-03-2014 1:05pm

The Kerry game was always going to be the big one after last week. Win it and Kildare will stay up. A defeat and we're probably doomed. We could do with Tyrone doing us a bit of a favour down in the Kingdom this afternoon. That's not too much to ask of them after we gifted them the two points last Sunday!

Big game for the hurlers today over in Ruislip. Kildare have not started the year very well and a win there might just kick start the season.

klairondavis · 09-03-2014 5:50pm

Hurlers beaten again after being well in the game for most of the way according to KFM. I think we were leading up until fifteen minutes to go and ended up losing by 6. It has not been a good start for Brian Lawlor.

roy rodgers · 09-03-2014 5:56pm

Not a good 7 days for kildare gaa at all..
kerry turned on the style in the second half today scoring 3-7 to a point. Its gonna be crunch time come this day next week.

klairondavis · 13-03-2014 11:18pm

Any team news ahead of Sunday? I wouldn't mind seeing Sean Campbell or Ciaran Fitz tried out in the backs. Hard to see us winning if our defending doesn't improve a lot. Kerry dismantled Tyrone with ease in the second half last Sunday. I don't think they will win as much ball against our midfield but they might not need to.

BNMC · 14-03-2014 12:17am

Will be named tomorrow I'd say, seems to be the norm with Ryan. Is Fitzpatrick even on the panel? I'd leave Foley full back and bring in Campbell for McGrillen.

Midfield will be crucial on Sunday. Gary White needs to get his act together as Maher and Moran are a great partnership for Kerry.

Not confident about this game at all.

klairondavis · 14-03-2014 12:55am

BNMC wrote: »

Is Fitzpatrick even on the panel?

He was out on the pitch training with Peter Kelly, Adam Tyrrell, Johnny Byrne, Smith, Niall Kelly and a few others after the Tyrone game.

klairondavis · 14-03-2014 11:24pm

Keogh Cup Final result: Castledermot 1-7 Kill 1-5

I heard the Aldridge Cup Final ended in a draw after extra time with Smith in good form for Sash and Kelly for Athy.

One change to the Kildare team for Sunday with Hyland replacing McGrillen.

Celbridge's Conor Kenny has been named to start for the Tipp hurlers for their game this weekend.

BNMC · 14-03-2014 11:45pm

Smith hit 0-8 for the Sash. Niall Kelly came on in the first half and got a goal. Good to see these lads back in action.

Unlucky there Klairon, great achievement for Kill getting to the final all the same.

kencoo · 16-03-2014 5:08pm

Kildare 0:15 Kerry 2:15 (FT). Disappointing.

klairondavis · 17-03-2014 11:55am

We seem to have forgotten how to defend over the last three years. Pundits will still trot out the lazy cliches about Kildare lacking forwards but that is simply not the problem at the moment. Our forwards are capable of putting up a score against most defences. It's the consistently large totals we're leaking at the other end that is the big challenge facing Jason Ryan. We are missing a few of our first choice defenders but the ease at which we are turned and the complete panic that seems to set in when we are ran at is very concerning. Lots of work ahead before the summer.

Here's how I'd like to see us lining up against Louth/Westmeath:

1 Connolly
2 McGrillen (toss up between himself and O'Grady, experience to win out)
3 P Kelly
4 Lyons
5 Hyland
6 E Doyle (F Conway if Doyle isn't fit)
7 Bolton
8 Dan Flynn
9 Hurley
10 N Kelly
11 E O'Flaherty
12 P Cribbin
13 Brophy
14 O'Connor (would like to see Fogarty given a run of games but he appears injury prone at the moment)
15 Mulhall

klairondavis · 17-03-2014 12:00pm

Very disappointing result for the hurlers yesterday too. I arrived after Willie Greene was sent off so I can't possibly comment on that. No one seemed to know at half time what the straight red was for. The lads were always going to be up against it after that. The concession of a few soft goals did for us.

lanomist · 19-03-2014 12:05am

The sooner we get the injured defenders back the better, all too easy for the opposing midfielders and forwards to waltz through our defense.Am not even sure if even that will solve our problems Reading on the paper where we have conceded the most scores in all four divisions. A total of 8-87 conceded. two scores more than the next worst.

klairondavis · 23-03-2014 6:07pm

Draw for the hurlers today in a crazy match. Gave Derry a 8 point head start before we got a point on the board. Dominated for the next 50 minutes or so before David Harney was sent off for a second yellow and Derry came back into it to snatch a draw. Team cannot seem to catch a break at the moment.

klairondavis · 28-03-2014 5:13pm

Kildare team v Derry:

1. Shane Connolly

2. Mick O’Grady

3. Michael Foley

4. David Hyland

5. Hugh McGrillen

6. Gary White

7. Keith Cribbin

8. Tommy Moolick

9. Hugh Lynch

10. Cathal McNally

11. Mikey Conway

12. Eoghan O’Flaherty

13. Paddy Brophy

14. Tomás O’Connor

15. Darroch Mulhall

Rumours of disciplinary issues concerning a few of the Johnstownbridge players which may explain their absence. Chalky worth a try at centre back. I'm not convinced Mikey Conway or Hugh Lynch still have the legs for county football but he has to try something different.

BNMC · 28-03-2014 10:11pm

I think you're being a little harsh on Mikey Conway. He has done pretty well this year when called upon, particularly against Dublin.

Seems like some lads went on tear. Not good vibes coming from the Kildare camp.

It's going to be a short Summer this year methinks.

Self implosion. We do that pretty well here in Kildare.

klairondavis · 29-03-2014 1:15pm

BNMC wrote: »

I think you're being a little harsh on Mikey Conway. He has done pretty well this year when called upon, particularly against Dublin.

Seems like some lads went on tear. Not good vibes coming from the Kildare camp.

It's going to be a short Summer this year methinks.

Self implosion. We do that pretty well here in Kildare.

I like Mikey as a footballer. He has one of the best footballing brains on the Kildare panel. I just feel he struggles physically now after all his injuries which unfortunately seem to have taken their toll on him. I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.

Frankie Lee · 30-03-2014 4:15pm

Back to the bad old days.

grouchyman · 30-03-2014 4:19pm

Whitewash! Kildare seem to be all at sea. It's looking like it could be a short year. 10points down.

klairondavis · 30-03-2014 9:05pm

We were very poor. There needs to be some serious surgery before the Leinster Championship.

- Mick Foley has not played well in a long time now. A terrific servant over the last ten years but I would fear for him in Croke Park on a hot summer's day. Fitzpatrick or Campbell are surely worth a try at least.
- Keith Cribbin is not a half back. He does a lot of positive things going forward but struggles greatly when he is put on the back foot.
- Midfield battled manfully but lack pace and mobility.
- Full forward line was left far too isolated again. O'Connor was surrounded by a sea of Derry jerseys anytime the ball went near him. Brophy was dropped too deep and I don't see why Mulhall was hauled off first. There were a few more established names who should have gone ahead of him.
- Chalky is not the solution at centre back.
- The kickout strategy is suicidal at times. Connolly does not possess a Cluxton like kickout so there is no point in asking him to do something that he simply cannot do. It's putting him and the defence under pressure time and time again.

I always try to find the positives in a performance but it's tough to find any crumbs of comfort today. O'Grady, Cribbin and Moolick stuck at it for the duration and it was good to see JD, Leper and the two Kellys off the bench. I expect nearly all of those players returning will be straight into contention for the championship team along with Eoin Doyle, Lyons and the two Flynns because there are some players there at the moment who look like they are playing themselves out of a spot on the team.

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