Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

DARK-KNIGHT · 26-02-2012 10:56pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

He hasn't even tried to "fight a battle in Cavan" so how do you know he would lose? As I said before, he could have put his head down and proven Andrews wrong but instead he ups and leaves to a county he has absolutely no affiliation to.
And you ask why can't Johnston play for Kildare? I basically think it flies in the face of everything the GAA is about. It's about representing where you come from. If this goes through, what's to stop stronger counties poaching great players (with the ability of Johnston etc.) from weaker counties in the future?
And would you feel the same you do now if someone like Johnny Doyle or Emmet Bolton switched to Dublin? Because in my view, they would have more of an entitlement to make that move than Johnston does to make this one.

I can tell you one thing the county rivalry between the dubs and Kildare is rife!!

John said himself if he won nothing inter county who cares he loves his county colours as for emmet I know him really well border area he is from Kildare dublin wise and he hates everything Dublin are about!! He used to hate the fact that eadestown wore Dublin colours!!

Apart from that it points out what does Johnston wanna play for Kildare??? Great chance at a Leinster medal or possible AI medal?? Where will his passion come from?? Etc etc!!

I can tell you now if alan smith is targeted by geezer to bring seanie in there will be trouble in the camp as smith is really well liked as far as I know!!!

All I'm saying is in my opinion the move is wrong but why should anyone tell Johnston who to play for as he gets no salary, Andrews doesn't want him and the chap wants to play on the big stage as most great players want to aswell

DARK-KNIGHT · 26-02-2012 11:00pm

Let's be honest the gaa rule book
Is stale! Needs to be completely looked at 100%

munchkin_utd · 27-02-2012 9:05am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Let's be honest the gaa rule book
Is stale! Needs to be completely looked at 100%

It is being addressed (see last paragraph) and the whole undefined yet crucial term of a "permanent move" better tied down

Due to a 2 way "conversation" between Gophur and tayto_lover my post reporting this very thing ended up buried a good number of pages back.

Stricter rules on transfers to go before Congress

By Martin Breheny
Thursday February 16 2012
STRICT new rules on what constitutes permanent residency for the purpose of GAA transfers are likely to be in place by May.

The Rules Advisory Committee is currently working through what is a very complex area in an effort to bring greater clarity.

It's expected to finalise its report shortly and will bring proposals to Congress in April, aimed at regularising the situation. If accepted, the new rules will come into effect in mid-May.

Under the current rule, 'permanent residence' is not clearly defined and is instead, left to county bye-laws to decide on the eligibility of players who are seeking transfers either across county or club boundaries.

That brings its own problems since not all counties have the same regulations.

Cavan's Seanie Johnston is the latest high-profile figure caught up in the residency issue as he seeks to prove that his request for a switch from Cavan Gaels and Cavan to St Kevin's, Staplestown and Kildare is valid under the transfer regulations.

The Rule Advisory Committee, chaired by Frank Murphy -- who is also the Cork county secretary -- has been working on the rule book for quite some time in an effort to address a whole range of problem areas and to simplify others.

DARK-KNIGHT · 27-02-2012 9:58am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

It is being addressed (see last paragraph) and the whole undefined yet crucial term of a "permanent move" better tied down

Due to a 2 way "conversation" between Gophur and tayto_lover my post reporting this very thing ended up buried a good number of pages back.

Heard a lot of talk about Johnston transferred to Kevin's as apparently one of lildares selectors or panel staff has a big influence in Kevin's!!

Most thought he would be trying to get into a sarsfields jersey or one of the 3 or 4 power clubs in Kildare

AGC · 27-02-2012 12:48pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I'm also not saying your wrong agc just don't say stuff like that if you can't back it up 100 percent !!!

I'm sure that keeper had no agenda getting media attention either

I can back it up 100% as I have done with several through PM's

Just on your later posts about McGeeney, it was not him who made the approach although im sure he knew what was going on.

raven136 · 27-02-2012 3:34pm

Is it true that he was back training with his club in Cavan the past week?

Dubhthamlacht · 27-02-2012 3:54pm

raven136 wrote: »

Is it true that he was back training with his club in Cavan the past week?

Yep, I was talking to one of his cavan club mates and he said it was true.

DARK-KNIGHT · 27-02-2012 4:54pm

getting a pain in my hole with this drama. its exactly what the lily whites need instead of concentrating on the work ahead of them the media swamp everything into seanie johnston dramatic transfer saga... FFS

dcr22B · 01-03-2012 10:39am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

getting a pain in my hole with this drama. its exactly what the lily whites need instead of concentrating on the work ahead of them the media swamp everything into seanie johnston dramatic transfer saga... FFS

Kildare bought this upon themselves, it's a bit pathetic that Kildare always seem to think the media is against them. The whole of last summer, they were so far up to the Lillies' tail end that it was nauseating.

Big, massive game for them in Navan this weekend!

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-03-2012 11:29am

dcr22B wrote: »

Kildare bought this upon themselves, it's a bit pathetic that Kildare always seem to think the media is against them. The whole of last summer, they were so far up to the Lillies' tail end that it was nauseating.

Big, massive game for them in Navan this weekend!

?? how were media up kildares arse?

huge game alright..

also who said media was against kildare? all i was saying was kildare needed to keep out of media spotlight and concentrate on breaking an 84 year gap

dcr22B · 01-03-2012 11:39am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

?? how were media up kildares arse?

huge game alright..

also who said media was against kildare? all i was saying was kildare needed to keep out of media spotlight and concentrate on breaking an 84 year gap

On the first point, seriously? Kildare are like the Dubs were pre-2010, great on paper but put them up against a seasoned campaigner and they simply didn't cut the mustard. Less than the sum of their parts and we know how that feels because we were there too.

If Kildare want to saty out of the media spotlight, they might want to concentrate on playing to their strengths instead of creating their own headlines.

largepants · 01-03-2012 2:10pm

dcr22B wrote: »

Kildare bought this upon themselves, it's a bit pathetic that Kildare always seem to think the media is against them. The whole of last summer, they were so far up to the Lillies' tail end that it was nauseating.

Big, massive game for them in Navan this weekend!

Its more pathetic that the only reason you found it nauseating was that the media weren't up your tail ends. Moaning when the media are on your backs and moaning when they take an interest in other teams. Point me in the direction where Kildare seemed to think the media was against them. Or are you just picking up on what one or two posters have said?

Lemlin · 01-03-2012 4:10pm

Cavan paper, Anglo Celt, reporting yesterday that Johnston has given up hope of the move going through.

blackbelt · 01-03-2012 4:25pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Cavan paper, Anglo Celt, reporting yesterday that Johnston has given up hope of the move going through.

Tell Mr Johnston I take 2 sugars in my tea.:p

munchkin_utd · 01-03-2012 5:20pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Cavan paper, Anglo Celt, reporting yesterday that Johnston has given up hope of the move going through.

indeed, a snippet of that article is here
http://anglocelt.ie/news/gaelicfootball/articles/2012/02/29/4009291-johnston-move-looks-unlikely-to-go-through-as-cavan-host-sligo/

DARK-KNIGHT · 02-03-2012 3:41am

hope he didnt sign a long lease for the house in straffan...

isnt he playing for kevins now?? now theres a commute from cavan to play club football

roy rodgers · 02-03-2012 7:02pm

The cccc still haven't made a decision on it yet believe it or not!!
They are an disgrace that no one can make a decision on the matter.
they were quick enough to hand out ban's and fines to kildare and monaghan after a bit of pushing.

DARK-KNIGHT · 05-03-2012 4:18pm

Any news on Johnston re this move

roy rodgers · 05-03-2012 10:51pm

Well he didnt play for cavan at the weekend and val andrews is delighted with his young lads coming through.
I hope we cccc get there fingers out of their hole this week and have an answer for him.

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-03-2012 1:42am

i have a funny feeling IF this goes through it will be to shake up kildares forwards cant see johnston marking himself out as a star forward tbh dont get me wrong i know he can turn fast and kicks great scores but for geezer to blank one of our regulars for johnston would be very bad form imo anyways

Lemlin · 06-03-2012 12:05pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Any news on Johnston re this move

Latest rumour round Cavan anyway is that Johnston has given up hope and will be back playing for Cavan Gaels this year.

There's 6 weeks until the next round of League games in Cavan so we won't know for a while anyway. He's not exactly famed for turning up for League games for the Gaels anyway. He played in very few last year.

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-03-2012 1:18pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Latest rumour round Cavan anyway is that Johnston has given up hope and will be back playing for Cavan Gaels this year.

There's 6 weeks until the next round of League games in Cavan so we won't know for a while anyway. He's not exactly famed for turning up for League games for the Gaels anyway. He played in very few last year.

There's no way if I was managing Cavan
Or was a true Cavan fan would I want him wearing county colours again!!

Just from a point of view he went to jump ship to win silverware well a chance at winning something with a strong Kildare side!!

Even from a club point of view I wouldn't want him due to this whole treatment to his county and club team

Lemlin · 06-03-2012 2:44pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

There's no way if I was managing Cavan
Or was a true Cavan fan would I want him wearing county colours again!!

Just from a point of view he went to jump ship to win silverware well a chance at winning something with a strong Kildare side!!

Even from a club point of view I wouldn't want him due to this whole treatment to his county and club team

You're wrong there. He jumped ship because he was told he wasn't required by Cavan.

Either way, I still wouldn't want him back.

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-03-2012 2:59pm

Lemlin wrote: »

You're wrong there. He jumped ship because he was told he wasn't required by Cavan.

Either way, I still wouldn't want him back.

Lemlin
Mate if I had a chance to wear my county colours at senior level I would give anything I would fight tooth and nail if I was him why would he want to play for anyone other than Cavan it's almost insulting to Cavan that he is looking to play for Kildare IMO

Lemlin · 06-03-2012 5:13pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Lemlin
Mate if I had a chance to wear my county colours at senior level I would give anything I would fight tooth and nail if I was him why would he want to play for anyone other than Cavan it's almost insulting to Cavan that he is looking to play for Kildare IMO

I agree. He should have stayed with the Gaels, kept his head down, had some virtuoso performances and then the pressure would really have been on Andrews to include him.

As it is, the majority of supporters in the county have now rallied behind Andrews and his project so Johnston has definitely ended up the loser in this one.

blackbelt · 08-03-2012 1:26pm

Well this puts to bed the saga of whether or not Johnston will be able to transfer.

Seanie Johnston's proposed transfer to Kildare appears to be dead in the water after his latest request was turned down by the Central Competitions Control Committee.

The want-away forward's home club Cavan Gaels has received confirmation of the decision and, as far as they're concerned, the saga is now at an end.

Cavan Gaels chairman Michael Mooney said in the Irish Examiner: "It's nice for it to come to a conclusion and we can now concentrate on football and get him back in the squad.

"Cavan Gaels always want to see the best players playing for Cavan Gaels and for the county. We definitely have no ill-feeling, it was never an issue that he didn't want to play with Cavan Gaels, he wanted to play county football and felt that he wasn't wanted by Cavan.

"He trained with us recently and he was very welcome."

The 27-year-old had sought a move to the Lilywhites after he was sensationally omitted from the Cavan panel by manager Val Andrews last November, but doubts over the player's permanently residency (he claimed he lived in Straffan, Co, Kildare) has thus far prevented the transfer from going through.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=163614

munchkin_utd · 08-03-2012 1:59pm

A bit of clarity is brought to the situation and now he can go on to help his club to win its first ever Ulster Club title.
For a man with ambition that's surely a challenging target with plenty of reward if achieved.

if you look at the roll of honour, its about time a Cavan team were successful in getting an ulster club title to the county .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Senior_Club_Football_Championship

Lemlin · 08-03-2012 5:18pm

blackbelt wrote: »

Well this puts to bed the saga of whether or not Johnston will be able to transfer.

Seanie Johnston's proposed transfer to Kildare appears to be dead in the water after his latest request was turned down by the Central Competitions Control Committee.

The want-away forward's home club Cavan Gaels has received confirmation of the decision and, as far as they're concerned, the saga is now at an end.

Cavan Gaels chairman Michael Mooney said in the Irish Examiner: "It's nice for it to come to a conclusion and we can now concentrate on football and get him back in the squad.

"Cavan Gaels always want to see the best players playing for Cavan Gaels and for the county. We definitely have no ill-feeling, it was never an issue that he didn't want to play with Cavan Gaels, he wanted to play county football and felt that he wasn't wanted by Cavan.

"He trained with us recently and he was very welcome."

The 27-year-old had sought a move to the Lilywhites after he was sensationally omitted from the Cavan panel by manager Val Andrews last November, but doubts over the player's permanently residency (he claimed he lived in Straffan, Co, Kildare) has thus far prevented the transfer from going through.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=163614

That decision should have been made long ago. The only loser from this has been Johnston. Andrews has actually received alot of support in the county and it seems to me that Johnston is now seen by many as a figurehead for the negative characteristics of players from previous years.

His reputation in Cavan has been invariably tarnished and, even if Andrews moves on, it'll be a bold move by any future manager to call him back into the setup.

Cavan's 'Saipan' is over at least it seems.

tayto lover · 08-03-2012 7:09pm

Lemlin wrote: »

That decision should have been made long ago. The only loser from this has been Johnston. Andrews has actually received alot of support in the county and it seems to me that Johnston is now seen by many as a figurehead for the negative characteristics of players from previous years.

His reputation in Cavan has been invariably tarnished and, even if Andrews moves on, it'll be a bold move by any future manager to call him back into the setup.

Cavan's 'Saipan' is over at least it seems.

Et tu Brute.

roy rodgers · 08-03-2012 8:06pm

im hearing from a reliable source when the decision was made yesterday an appeal had gone in straight away to the central appeals commitee..
and so it continues...

That came from some one on the kildare fourm on hogan stand.
I suppose he has the right to appeal!!

Royal Legend · 08-03-2012 9:41pm

Lemlin wrote: »

That decision should have been made long ago. The only loser from this has been Johnston. Andrews has actually received alot of support in the county and it seems to me that Johnston is now seen by many as a figurehead for the negative characteristics of players from previous years.

His reputation in Cavan has been invariably tarnished and, even if Andrews moves on, it'll be a bold move by any future manager to call him back into the setup.

Cavan's 'Saipan' is over at least it seems.

I am confused, Cavan people give their county players stick for being "not good enough" in their eyes, yet now they are going to blank the one decent footballer they have. And you wonder why Cavan have won sweet F A all these years

tayto lover · 08-03-2012 10:26pm

Royal Legend wrote: »

I am confused, Cavan people give their county players stick for being "not good enough" in their eyes, yet now they are going to blank the one decent footballer they have. And you wonder why Cavan have won sweet F A all these years

You couldn't make it up.
AND these lads think they are knowledgeable about football. They would stab their own in defence of a lu la like Val.

Royal Legend · 08-03-2012 10:35pm

tayto lover wrote: »

You couldn't make it up.
AND these lads think they are knowledgeable about football. They would stab their own in defence of a lu la like Val.

I wouldn't call him a lu la, he is a decent coach in his own right, why anyone would want to take on the mantle of coach to Cavan is beyond me, their overall club structure is antiquated, they don't have the desire or determination from what I can see, possibly have some talent, but without effort they may as well be togging out for Kilkenny footballers

Hammer Archer · 08-03-2012 11:35pm

Royal Legend wrote: »

I am confused, Cavan people give their county players stick for being "not good enough" in their eyes, yet now they are going to blank the one decent footballer they have. And you wonder why Cavan have won sweet F A all these years

If the manager feels he has a destabilising effect on the team (and I'd bet my life that that's why he wasn't recalled to the Cavan squad) he has every right to drop him. Gaelic football is a team sport and no man is bigger than his team. His own club team Cavan Gaels even dropped him (most likely for similar reasons) and stripped him of the captaincy if I'm not mistaken.
And yes, they haven't won anything for years, but for the past few years that has been with Johnston in the team. From what Lemlin has been saying, in this time there has been a serious attitude problem in the team in that time. That's probably a much bigger reason that they haven't won anything if true.

tayto lover wrote: »

You couldn't make it up.
AND these lads think they are knowledgeable about football. They would stab their own in defence of a lu la like Val.

I thought you said you were leaving this thread? Your personal vendetta against Val Andrews is extremely annoying.

Royal Legend · 08-03-2012 11:41pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

If the manager feels he has a destabilising effect on the team (and I'd bet my life that that's why he wasn't recalled to the Cavan squad) he has every right to drop him. Gaelic football is a team sport and no man is bigger than his team. His own club team Cavan Gaels even dropped him (most likely for similar reasons) and stripped him of the captaincy if I'm not mistaken.
And yes, they haven't won anything for years, but for the past few years that has been with Johnston in the team. From what Lemlin has been saying, in this time there has been a serious attitude problem in the team in that time. That's probably a much bigger reason that they haven't won anything if true.

I thought you said you were leaving this thread? Your personal vendetta against Val Andrews is extremely annoying.

That is an unbelieveably naive mis-informed statement.

The reason for Cavan's poor showing in gaelic football is down to Seanie Johnston, so, if that is true, I am going to stick a tenner on them to win Ulster this year, thats once Seanie stays away like.

tayto lover · 08-03-2012 11:52pm

Royal Legend wrote: »

That is an unbelieveably naive mis-informed statement.

The reason for Cavan's poor showing in gaelic football is down to Seanie Johnston, so, if that is true, I am going to stick a tenner on them to win Ulster this year, thats once Seanie stays away like.

ha ha. You are right of course but that's what you are up against. Might throw a tenner on that myself if that logic works.

Hammer Archer · 09-03-2012 12:28am

Royal Legend wrote: »

That is an unbelieveably naive mis-informed statement.

The reason for Cavan's poor showing in gaelic football is down to Seanie Johnston, so, if that is true, I am going to stick a tenner on them to win Ulster this year, thats once Seanie stays away like.

I suggest you read my post properly.
I did not say that the reason that Cavan have been doing so badly is because of Johnston. You said they were blanking "the one decent footballer they have" and then said "you wonder why Cavan have won sweet F A all these year". I stated that Cavan have had an attitude problem in their camp for years which is quite possibly the main reason for their lack of success recently. Note that Johnston wasn't the only player not recalled to the squad in 2012.
Need another explanation or have you got it this time?

tayto lover wrote: »

ha ha. You are right of course but that's what you are up against. Might throw a tenner on that myself if that logic works.

Give it a rest will you for Christ's sake. You are totally incapable of carrying out any sort of debate without throwing around sly digs at everyone who disagrees with you.

MickySticks · 10-03-2012 1:00pm

We haven't heard the end of this yet. Watch this space...

StupidLikeAFox · 10-03-2012 4:04pm

I think the DRA is the last chance for this to go through so there may be a bit to go yet.

eyescreamcone · 11-03-2012 8:59am

ColHol wrote: »

I think the DRA is the last chance for this to go through so there may be a bit to go yet.

There is always the legal route!
It would be interesting to see what the wigs would think of this archaic restrictive practice!

Tom Joad · 11-03-2012 11:40pm

Royal Legend wrote: »

I am confused, Cavan people give their county players stick for being "not good enough" in their eyes, yet now they are going to blank the one decent footballer they have. And you wonder why Cavan have won sweet F A all these years

Cavan have won sweet F A (as you put it yourself) because of the attitude, lack of discipline and non commitment of some of the players around the camp, not because our players are "not good enough"!! Where have Cavan people given players stick for not being good enough????

Being a talented footballer means nothing if you don't have the attitude to go with it. Fair play to the manager for being brave enough to make such a call and the reason the manager is being backed is that it was a decision that had to be made.

I personally won't be blanking Seanie, I would love to see him back in a Cavan jersey - yes he went down in my opinion the way he try to bail the minute he was dropped and his carry on with the media. But if he knuckles down and plays his ball and learns from this he could be a massive asset again for Cavan football

To Alcohol · 12-03-2012 1:45am

He was in Newbridge today watching Kildare beat Derry. I'd read from that he's still hoping the transfer will go through.

Personally I'd kick the ****er back over to Cavan and I'm not alone thinking that.

Lemlin · 12-03-2012 9:57am

Royal Legend wrote: »

I wouldn't call him a lu la, he is a decent coach in his own right, why anyone would want to take on the mantle of coach to Cavan is beyond me, their overall club structure is antiquated, they don't have the desire or determination from what I can see, possibly have some talent, but without effort they may as well be togging out for Kilkenny footballers

The club structure needs work alright, I'll give you that but an attempt at rehauling it is starting next year.

As for the rest of your post, why would anyone want to take over Cavan? Well, we reached an U21 All-Ireland final last year and an Ulster U21 club final the year before. We also won the minor title in Ulster last year.

That shows there are players coming through. Seven U21s from last year started against Tipp yesterday and a similar number also started the previous three league games. You only have to look at Damien Barkey to see how experience is helping these lads.

The oldest scorer against Sligo was 23 year old David Givney, a man who was captaining our U21s only two years ago. Now, I'll admit the Cavan manager's job is a poisioned chalice but there's plenty there to work with. Whereas your own county have nothing coming through so they are playing 39 year olds.

Now, if people want to discuss Cavan football, I'd suggest you move over to the Cavan GAA thread.

Lemlin · 12-03-2012 9:59am

tayto lover wrote: »

You couldn't make it up.
AND these lads think they are knowledgeable about football. They would stab their own in defence of a lu la like Val.

Yawn. Back again after you said you were going.
Do yourself a favour and write a letter to Val with all your misinformed crap.

By the way, you were predicting relegation, Cavan now have 4 points after 4 games whereas Offaly and Tipp both have none. Guess you were wrong again.

DARK-KNIGHT · 12-03-2012 5:41pm

tayto lover wrote: »

You couldn't make it up.
AND these lads think they are knowledgeable about football. They would stab their own in defence of a lu la like Val.

tayto to be fair do you have to **** stir here constantly its unfair on those of us that want to discuss this subject in a civilised manner

roy rodgers · 12-03-2012 6:09pm

http://www.balls.ie/2012/03/11/no-prizes-for-guessing-who-was-at-the-kildare-match-today/

and still it goes on

To Alcohol · 13-03-2012 12:29am

roy rodgers wrote: »

http://www.balls.ie/2012/03/11/no-prizes-for-guessing-who-was-at-the-kildare-match-today/

and still it goes on

McGeeney has thrown a wobbler over the transfer not going through. Kildare planning an appeal. Should be a story running in the Indo tomorrow.

Stoner · 13-03-2012 12:55am

IMO if a player wants to go he should be just allowed to go, there's no point in holding on to him if he does not want to play for you. Kildare lost out on this in the past in the 1990, maybe they are due one.

munchkin_utd · 13-03-2012 8:02am

Stoner wrote: »

IMO if a player wants to go he should be just allowed to go, there's no point in holding on to him if he does not want to play for you. Kildare lost out on this in the past in the 1990, maybe they are due one.

For the umpteenth time.

That IS the rule!

All the player has to do is simply move to a new county and there is nothing an old club or county can do to prevent the move. It's an automatic approval.
But you do have to really move.

With the lads that previously left Kildare they took up a new life, job and all in their new county. They were irrefutably no longer in Kildare. Case closed. Transfer request automatically approved.

Seanie though has job and many aspects of his life still in Cavan town and is finding it very difficult to convince that he has a new life in Kildare a two hour drive away from his job and centre of personal interest.

EDIT: I'd also mention that circumstantial stuff like a bank account in a place doesnt mean you live in a particular place. For instance I have bank accounts in Cavan, Belfast, Ballincollig and Boston (and another couple in Munich) but does prove that I live in any of the various places at this current moment?

Stoner · 13-03-2012 10:18am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

For the umpteenth time.

That IS the rule!

All the player has to do is simply move to a new county and there is nothing an old club or county can do to prevent the move. It's an automatic approval.
But you do have to really move.

With the lads that previously left Kildare they took up a new life, job and all in their new county. They were irrefutably no longer in Kildare. Case closed. Transfer request automatically approved.

your point being?

Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

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