Formula 1 2012: General Discussion Thread

frostie500 · 07-03-2012 6:33pm

Its always worth remembering that Bernie, and Max Mosley in the past, used radical ideas to try and force through more sensible solutions.
The medal systems were used to get a new points system implemented.
The budget caps were a radical way of forcing the teams to implement sensible measures for keeping costs in line.
The "overtaking lane" idea that Bernie had for creating shortcuts on the track gave way to the DRS which while not universally supported was successful in its aims

frostie500 · 07-03-2012 8:56pm

So Sky has revealed their intros for this year, gotta say Im disappointed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-hqrZLG84

To me it shows a lack of imagination to use music that the BBC used for their close of 2010 review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPcDfJzpDm0

I really like the song and the video is great but I just think that SKY should have used a song that hadnt been attached to the BBC shows.

Killinator · 07-03-2012 10:15pm

frostie500 wrote: »

I really like the song and the video is great but I just think that SKY should have used a song that hadnt been attached to the BBC shows.

To be fair we might as well cut our losses and just expect Sky's intros/montages and such won't be as good as the Beeb's, how could they be.
That said Sky usually do good stuff for football videos so hopefully it carries to F1.

frostie500 · 07-03-2012 10:21pm

Killinator wrote: »

To be fair we might as well cut our losses and just expect Sky's intros/montages and such won't be as good as the Beeb's, how could they be.
That said Sky usually do good stuff for football videos so hopefully it carries to F1.

To be honest its not the quality of the intro that annoys me, I like the footage, but for that song will always be the montage to the 2010 season that the BBC used so its a bit disappointing to see SKY reuse it

amacachi · 07-03-2012 11:24pm

I would've been more annoyed if they specifically tried to avoid every single song the BBC used over the last 3 years. :pac: It's a little underwhelming to me tbh.

Cookie_Monster · 08-03-2012 4:42am

Fairly crap opening piece, apart from Alonso going mad

Andrew76 · 08-03-2012 10:44am

I'm liking that Sky intro. I'd already forgotten the BBC 2010 montage so doesn't bother me the song is re-used. Love seeing the old footage and previous champions, can't wait for the new season to start.

Myrddin · 08-03-2012 2:03pm

There is but one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEJ_5qxKas

Play that over the new sky intro & it'd be fine

Alter-Ego · 08-03-2012 3:38pm

EnterNow wrote: »

There is but one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEJ_5qxKas

Play that over the new sky intro & it'd be fine

Can't beat it, really.

frostie500 · 08-03-2012 3:57pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I thought the BBC opening montage was very poor, everything bar the music was crap. Cheap looking CG with no real imagination shown at all.

Id agree it was only the chain that got you really going in their intro....but thats more than enough for me!

Myrddin · 08-03-2012 4:02pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I thought the BBC opening montage was very poor, everything bar the music was crap. Cheap looking CG with no real imagination shown at all.

Yeah I agree, its all about the theme tune. The actual CG effect is dull, which is why I said put that song over the Sky intro. Best of Both Worlds then

vectra · 08-03-2012 5:18pm

I don't care what they do or what music they choose once the racing is good.

Grim. · 08-03-2012 6:58pm

bit of a stretch but i don't suppose anyone here has the old RTE intro featuring the prodigy's firestarter

Daniel S · 08-03-2012 7:14pm

Grim. wrote: »

bit of a stretch but i don't suppose anyone here has the old RTE intro featuring the prodigy's firestarter

I hope not, the nostalgia would nearly make me cry

marco2068 · 08-03-2012 8:26pm

Grim. wrote: »

bit of a stretch but i don't suppose anyone here has the old RTE intro featuring the prodigy's firestarter

Daniel S wrote: »

I hope not, the nostalgia would nearly make me cry

grim i was just thinking of the exact same thing, I remember when the sports news used to have news of jordan getting a mugen honda deal. When i used to get excited at the jordan driver line up.

These days are gone:(

The best i can do is support force india:pac:

losthorizon · 08-03-2012 9:30pm

Grim. wrote: »

bit of a stretch but i don't suppose anyone here has the old RTE intro featuring the prodigy's firestarter

OH God No

That Means Peter Collins
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

-gilly-09- · 08-03-2012 9:52pm

zuutroy wrote: »

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Killinator · 09-03-2012 12:43am

I've noted to myself that Sky are not playing up the crash aspect of the sport,
Now I don't watch for crashes as I'm sure none here do but its always been a fundamental advertising pitch for any motorsport.

The only reason I can come up with is that Sky have a very limited reel of footage they have access to at the moment which is (I assume) the reason they only show footage from the last couple of races in their promo footage.

afatbollix · 09-03-2012 1:05am

frostie500 wrote: »

So Sky has revealed their intros for this year, gotta say Im disappointed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-hqrZLG84

To me it shows a lack of imagination to use music that the BBC used for their close of 2010 review:

That video is made by a fan. Its not the opening titles.

Jordan 199 · 09-03-2012 2:29am

Marussia sign female driver.

Maria de Villota has joined the Marussia Formula 1 team as a test driver for the 2012 season. The Spaniard, who has raced in several series including Spanish F3, the Daytona 24 Hours, and Superleague Formula Championship, first drove a Formula 1 car last year when she tested a Renault R29 at Paul Ricard.
She was the first female driver to test for a contemporary Formula 1 team since Katherine Legge in 2005.

Full article on autosport.

I recommend checking the Autosport site everyday and adding it to your bookmarks.

frostie500 · 09-03-2012 3:38am

afatbollix wrote: »

That video is made by a fan. Its not the opening titles.

No thats the official intro, its on the Sky F1 site as their intro for the coming season

afatbollix · 09-03-2012 11:49am

Where?

SnowDrifts · 09-03-2012 12:21pm

afatbollix wrote: »

Where?

http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/ Scroll down and you will see it in the list.

Just so people know.. Sky F1 is on the SkyGo player so if you know someone (family member/friend) with either the sports package or the HD subscription and they are willing to let you use their sky go (you can only register two devices)..then you can watch it on sky via that method.

afatbollix · 09-03-2012 2:02pm

Sorry for doubting you... Its just ****e that's what told me that it couldn't be it.

WoundedRhino · 09-03-2012 2:18pm

lolie wrote: »

Me laptop gave up the ghost a while ago so i use youtube on the mobile for videos.
Jaime Alguersuari has joined Bbc 5 live as expert summarisier for the 2012.
It might lessen the pain of having to listen to James Allen for 2 hours

James Allen is the reason I used to watch the ITV feed with the sound turned down and Five Live on in the background. Worst commentator ever. Way way worse than Legard. Not only that but his bias toward Hamilton made me hate Hamilton for a long time. I remember watching a race once where Hamilton was in 9th or 10th place and a guy in the top 3 spun out. Allen's first reaction? "Oh and look! This is tremendous news for Lewis Hamilton!"

WoundedRhino · 09-03-2012 2:22pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Firstly, I don't see any team using the same car for three years, and secondly, I don't think the midfield teams would be happy seeing HRT running an RB7.

Crazy talk from Bernie. Anyone remember his medals system?

Don't forget his sprinklers at the side of the track idea.

Jordan 199 · 09-03-2012 4:56pm

WoundedRhino wrote: »

Don't forget his sprinklers at the side of the track idea.

Yes lol. Fake rain races.

And on another note, the 2 races in Spain are to alternate from 2013.

Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone says he is close to finalising a contract for the Valencia and Barcelona races to alternate on the calendar from next year - meaning Spain will have just one race from 2013.

After months of speculation about the future of the Valencia Grand Prix, Ecclestone revealed that that event and Spanish GP organisers have agreed to share the race from next year.

Full Autosport article here.

Daniel S · 09-03-2012 5:15pm

WoundedRhino wrote: »

Not only that but his bias toward Hamilton made me hate Hamilton for a long time.

So you like him now????

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

amacachi · 09-03-2012 5:20pm

Not bad news about Spain for TV viewers, just one boring race a year there now. Bad news for people heading over though, only one chance a year at an F1 holiday that significant others could be convinced to go along with :pac:

Daniel S · 09-03-2012 5:25pm

amacachi wrote: »

Not bad news about Spain for TV viewers, just one boring race a year there now. Bad news for people heading over though, only one chance a year at an F1 holiday that significant others could be convinced to go along with :pac:

Valencia gone?!?!?! Hope so. I want the Nurburg to be on every year. Twice a year

. Or Mondello!

amacachi · 09-03-2012 8:47pm

Daniel S wrote: »

Valencia gone?!?!?! Hope so. I want the Nurburg to be on every year. Twice a year . Or Mondello!

Meant to be alternating between Barcelona and Valencia. Two boring as **** races.

losthorizon · 10-03-2012 10:54am

SnowDrifts wrote: »

http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/ Scroll down and you will see it in the list.

Just so people know.. Sky F1 is on the SkyGo player so if you know someone (family member/friend) with either the sports package or the HD subscription and they are willing to let you use their sky go (you can only register two devices)..then you can watch it on sky via that method.

That is f....ing brilliant. Dad, I never did tell you I love you..........:p

WoundedRhino · 10-03-2012 1:09pm

Daniel S wrote: »

So you like him now????

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Haha. Well I don't like like him. I don't ever want him to win. But I don't actively hate him like I used to. I'm a Button man.

antodeco · 10-03-2012 1:42pm

amacachi wrote: »

Not bad news about Spain for TV viewers, just one boring race a year there now. Bad news for people heading over though, only one chance a year at an F1 holiday that significant others could be convinced to go along with :pac:

Sure they didnt even think Valencia would go ahead this year, due to costs. I've my tickets for Valencia, so I've been waiting on the news of what's happening.

amacachi · 10-03-2012 4:59pm

antodeco wrote: »

Sure they didnt even think Valencia would go ahead this year, due to costs. I've my tickets for Valencia, so I've been waiting on the news of what's happening.

It was a joke having two GPs in Spain. Won't be sustainable except in seasons when Alonso won the title the year before.

Jordan 199 · 10-03-2012 6:18pm

amacachi wrote: »

It was a joke having two GPs in Spain. Won't be sustainable except in seasons when Alonso won the title the year before.

At least we will be down from two borefest races to one.

WoundedRhino · 11-03-2012 3:25pm

Yeah, not sad to see the back of one of those two. Both snoozefests traditionally. They should try to get Imola or Estoril back on the calendar, or Buenos Aires, good classic drivers tracks instead of boring Tilke tracks in countries I've never heard of.

Jordan 199 · 11-03-2012 3:44pm

WoundedRhino wrote: »

Yeah, not sad to see the back of one of those two. Both snoozefests traditionally. They should try to get Imola or Estoril back on the calendar, or Buenos Aires, good classic drivers tracks instead of boring Tilke tracks in countries I've never heard of.

Estoril, last held an F1 race in 1996. I liked that circuit because of it's elevation changes and it's long start/finish straight. Wasn't fond of the corkscrew that was added in 1994 though.

Daniel S · 11-03-2012 3:51pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Estoril, last held an F1 race in 1996. I liked that circuit because of it's elevation changes and it's long start/finish straight. Wasn't fond of the corkscrew that was added in 1994 though.

Just had a look at that track, looks fun/interesting.

amacachi · 11-03-2012 3:57pm

With that news from Valencia and the constant poor crowds at some of the newer Asian races hopefully there'll be space soon for a return to Imola. Can't think of a whole lot of older tracks I'd like to see F1 go back to. Portimao is an obvious choice of newer tracks though.

EDIT: Estoril was a fairly boring track, I'd prefer a return to Argentina. Not a great track but a bit different.

Daniel S · 11-03-2012 4:01pm

amacachi wrote: »

With that news from Valencia and the constant poor crowds at some of the newer Asian races hopefully there'll be space soon for a return to Imola. Can't think of a whole lot of older tracks I'd like to see F1 go back to. Portimao is an obvious choice of newer tracks though.

I was there (nearby on holidays)! How did I not know about that track!!!

Jordan 199 · 11-03-2012 4:07pm

Daniel S wrote: »

Just had a look at that track, looks fun/interesting.

Some accidents at Estoril.

Patrese flip in the Williams in 1992:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e5A55atmAc

Berger when the active suspension on his Ferrari failed in 1993:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_jmnBiFwKw

Jordan 199 · 11-03-2012 4:20pm

amacachi wrote: »

With that news from Valencia and the constant poor crowds at some of the newer Asian races hopefully there'll be space soon for a return to Imola. Can't think of a whole lot of older tracks I'd like to see F1 go back to. Portimao is an obvious choice of newer tracks though.

EDIT: Estoril was a fairly boring track, I'd prefer a return to Argentina. Not a great track but a bit different.

There was talk of a race returning to Argentina a few years back, never came to fruition. A return to Mexico at a new circuit was also mentioned.

The circuit at Mexico City was something else. Very bumpy, high altitude circuit, and the infamous 'Peraltada' which was butchered so it could accomodate a baseball stadium.

Gerhard Berger won his first GP there whilst suffering food poisoning.

actua11 · 11-03-2012 4:46pm

Estoril could well suffer from the same problems as the Catalunya circuit, a little boring which would causes track tinkering as was the case with the mid 90's corkscrew. It is conceivable that if (big if) it is ever reconsidered for the calender I'm sure chicanes would be added to the last corner and such like ruining a decent track.

It would be great to have an Argentine GP or a South African GP or even an Austrian GP back, but just being a nice venue isn't the best way to balance the books such that a Bahrain or a second Spanish GP will always be preferable to F1 management. In defense of the Spanish GP's, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with two of them (see relative success of Ferrari's two Italian GP's or Schumacher's two German/European/Luxembourgish GP's), it's just Valencia was a poor choice. The example above added existing tracks with a history and character and had proven to be at least viable. If it was necessary to have two Spanish races, repeat the '94/'97 or Catalunya/Jerez, would at least be an improvement.

frostie500 · 11-03-2012 5:20pm

The chicane was added in 94 as a safety move after Senna's death. No chance of F1 ever going back to Estoril but Portimao is a logical choice if they do decide to go back to Portugal.

In relation to an Argentine GP a new circuit in BA is being built and will host MotoGP from next year. The organisers are interested in returning to F1 and for Bernie it would be very useful to have four races in the Aermicas timezone-Montreal, Austin, Interlagos and BA to try and generate more interest in the US

losthorizon · 11-03-2012 5:39pm

amacachi wrote: »

With that news from Valencia and the constant poor crowds at some of the newer Asian races hopefully there'll be space soon for a return to Imola. Can't think of a whole lot of older tracks I'd like to see F1 go back to. Portimao is an obvious choice of newer tracks though.

EDIT: Estoril was a fairly boring track, I'd prefer a return to Argentina. Not a great track but a bit different.

Imola is a great track and has been brought up to spec and would make a great location for the San Marino or European GP ( I know it has sad memories but lots of tracks do)

If they could do something with the Mexican circuit I would love a return there.

SilverScreen · 11-03-2012 6:56pm

amacachi wrote: »

With that news from Valencia and the constant poor crowds at some of the newer Asian races hopefully there'll be space soon for a return to Imola. Can't think of a whole lot of older tracks I'd like to see F1 go back to. Portimao is an obvious choice of newer tracks though.

EDIT: Estoril was a fairly boring track, I'd prefer a return to Argentina. Not a great track but a bit different.

The last Buenos Aires circuit used in the 90's wasn't a great circuit, it was very dull and twisty, the circuit up to 1981 was epic though but it's a pity it's gone. I'd rather see F1 return to Imola or see the French GP return, preferably at Paul Ricard.

I was never a fan of Estoril but the circuit is even slower and tighter than it was when F1 last visited. They've made the first two corners tighter, which used to be the best part of the circuit.

WoundedRhino · 11-03-2012 9:28pm

Bernie should just build another temporary track in a casino car park in Las Vegas like they did in 1981 and 1982.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesars_Palace_Grand_Prix