Russian military jets 'disrupted UK aviation'

finally found where they've been discussing this, I was trying to minus out MH370 and MH17 stuff but that didn't help

This month, representatives from Europe, the U.S. and NATO sat down with Russian officials to raise the West’s concerns. A second meeting is scheduled in Paris to discuss the use of transponders and filing requirements for military flights.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-considers-beefing-up-cockpit-rules-after-germanwings-plane-crash-1427455560 so they had a meeting beginning of March and they are having another 14 to 15 April 2015 and having a Second High-Level Safety Conference (HLSC 2015) which was held in Montreal, Canada from 2 to 5 February 2015 which came up with a working paper (WP82) http://www.icao.int/Meetings/HLSC2015/Documents/WP/wp082_en.pdf

WP82 Rules of the Air of the Chicago Convention constitutes rules relating to the
flight and manoeuvring of an aircraft within the meaning of Article 12 of the Chicago Convention. It
applies without exception to high seas airspace. At the same time the Chicago Convention does explicitly
exempt State aircraft from its remit. However, Article 3 d) obliges the Contracting States to ensure that
State Aircraft “...will have due regard for the safety of navigation of civil aircraft”

ICAO Working Papers http://www.icao.int/Meetings/HLSC2015/Pages/WorkingPapers.aspx a number of papers on tracking aircraft

EUROCONTROL Expert-Workshop on enhancing the Safety for civil and military Flights over the High Seas
05 Mar 2015

In response to a request from its Member States and the ICAO European Air Navigation Planning Group Conclusion 56/03[1] on safety concerns regarding operations involving civil and military aircraft over the High Seas, EUROCONTROL has conducted a Workshop looking at options to increase the safety for civil and military flights over the High Seas on 2 and 3 March 2015.

https://www.eurocontrol.int/news/eurocontrol-expert-workshop-enhancing-safety-civil-and-military-flights-over-high-seas http://www.icao.int/EURNAT/Other%20Meetings%20Seminars%20and%20Workshops/ICAO%20Civil-Military%20Cooperation%20Meetings/ICAO%20Civil-military%20Cooperation%20Symposium%202015/15-0109E.pdf

More than 70 civil and military technical experts from 24 States[2], NATO, EU, IATA and EUROCONTROL have been working together under the “Chatham House Rules” to stay outside of any political dimension to develop a clear view on the legal framework, resulting obligations and the different needs of relevant civil and military actors.

so they can't say what they be talking about

THE FIFTY-SIXTH MEETING OF THE EUROPEAN AIR NAVIGATION PLANNING GROUP

EANPG Conclusion 56/03 – Safety concerns regarding operations involving civil and military
aircraft over the High Seas
That, noting the growing safety concern regarding events involving civil and military aircraft over
the High Seas, the ICAO Regional Director, Europe and North Atlantic, on behalf of the EANPG,
encourage States and International Organizations concerned to take action, in accordance with
EANPG Conclusion 51/03, to review and enhance at national and international level their
civil/military arrangements and coordination procedures involving all State authorities concerned,
with a view to reducing the risk of serious incidents or accident

http://www.icao.int/EURNAT/EUR%20and%20NAT%20Documents/EANPG%20Reports/EANPG%2056/_EANPG56%20RPT%20Final.pdf

this is less followable,

EANPG Conclusion 51/3 – Amendment to ICAO Doc 7754
That the ICAO Regional Director, Europe and North Atlantic, process, on behalf of the EANPG,
the draft proposal for amendment to the ICAO Basic Air Navigation Plan (EUR ANP – ICAO
Doc 7754 Vol I) and to the Facilities and Services Implementation Document (EUR FASID –
ICAO Doc 7754 Vol II), regarding Flexible Use of Airspace (FUA) over the high seas, as
presented at Appendix B-1 and Appendix B-2 to this report page 54 / 58.

http://www.icao.int/EURNAT/EUR%20and%20NAT%20Documents/EANPG%20Reports/EANPG%2051/EANPG51%20final%20Report%20(with%20Appendices).pdf

lots of extra words about FUA* and acknowledging that while rules don't apply to state aircraft but they should try to comply with them... and more about co-operation between states

Flexible Use of Airspace As a basic FUA principle, airspace should no longer be designated as military or civil airspace but should be considered as one continuum and used flexibly on a day-to-day basis.

who was in the Irish delegation, whens the last time Ireland was on the governing council of the ICAO? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Civil_Aviation_Organization#Governing_Council

smurfjed wrote: »

The IAA as part of SHANWICK is responsible for a lot of airspace, most of which is procedural airspace without radar coverage called MNPS.

The IAA provides the communications function at Ballygirreen but the primary control functions lie with Prestwick. I believe this Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanwick_Oceanic_Control is accurate when it states


"The flight control (Procedural ATC) aspect within the Shanwick OCA is the responsibility of the United Kingdom and is provided by NATS from the Prestwick Centre and the voice communication aspect is shared between the CDOs (Clearance Delivery Officers) based at Prestwick Centre and the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) from Shannon Aeradio, based in Ballygirreen Radio Station. Shanwick Control further delegate oceanic control of traffic in the NOTA (Northern Oceanic Transition Area) and the SOTA (Shannon Oceanic Transition Area) to Shannon Control, and traffic in the BOTA (Brest Oceanic Transition Area) to Brest Control"

Charlie Flanagan doesn’t accept male TDs to be ‘culled’ http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/charlie-flanagan-doesn-t-accept-male-tds-to-be-culled-1.2168843 interview at 24minutes

Referring to the recent reported entrance of Russian aircraft into Irish controlled airspace, Mr Flanagan said the Government was keeping a close eye on the situation.

“I believe it’s important that our airspace be appreciated and respected,” he said.

“Officials in my department spoke directly to the Russian ambassador following the alleged incursions. We are keeping a close eye on the situation and our concerns have been noted by the Russian ambassador here in Dublin and his government in Moscow. ”

why is neither him nor Coveney being more specific about the ICAO negotiations?

what did he say the IAA did report on activity that we weren't **** upon.

sided upon?, sighted upon?