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Pope Francis Compares Transgendered People To Nuclear Weapons

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    #32
    Witcher
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    Desolation Of Smug wrote: »
    Pope Francis heads up the Vatican Bank. The day he liquidates it and gives the money to the poor is the day I start listening to his tripe. Until then, he's just another twat in a suit. It might be white, but it's a suit none the less.

    It's more of a dress really.


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    #33
    Nodin
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    catallus wrote: »
    It may help to actually read something about what the man said:



    http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms

    Cutting any philosophical comment down to "OMG he said transgendered people are like nuclear weapons!!!" serves only to obfuscate the issues and to belittle the intelligence of all.

    So what he's actually saying is that the people who came up with Gender theory are
    Herods" that "destroy, that plot designs of death, that disfigure the face of man and woman, destroying creation."
    ?


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    #34
    ROAAAR
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    Did anyone expect something positive about transgendered people from the Catholic Church? Of course not. Just let the church die off naturally and ignore it.


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    #35
    Desolation Of Smug
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    Strider wrote: »
    It's more of a dress really.

    And he has the cheek to give out to other lads who wear dresses?


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    #36
    eviltwin
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    The church don't support gay or trans people. Okay, we all know that, no great surprise there but why does he have to use such inflammatory language? Could he not make his point in a more sensitive manner? I mean honestly, comparing the trans community to nuclear weapons...is that really necessary.


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    #37
    conorh91
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    Desolation Of Smug wrote: »
    The day he liquidates it and gives the money to the poor is the day I start listening to his tripe
    Why should he?

    What has an organization's policy aims to do with its members' willingness to endure destitution? If anyone said they wouldn't listen to Ban Ki-Moon until he donned sackcloth and vacated his Manhattan mansion, they'd be dismissed as belly-aching malcontents.

    Why should you be treated any different to those malcontents, Mr Smug?


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    #38
    Turtwig
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    I don't quite understand what's wrong with his analogy here. Comparing a volcano to a geyser doesn't mean they're identical or they both spout water. Yet somehow when the pope -or insert figure/poster you want to take a cheap shot at- uses them, their analogies somehow become related to their worst possible mode of comparisons.


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    #39
    evolving_doors
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    Minjor wrote: »
    "Specifically, he compares transgender people to nuclear arms, and says that gender theory does not recognize the order of God’s creation. He goes a step further, saying that God has placed man and woman at the top of creation, saying that this is the design of the creator. He also says that if we do not recognize that order destruction will follow."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-compares-transgendered-people-to-nuclear-weapons

    This guy was being praised from all corners after getting the papacy, turns out it's just a case of same old, same old and another bigot.

    How does he know what god is thinking?


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    #40
    Yurt2
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    I'm not sure what people expect from the Pope. Given that he's the head of a 2000 year old global death cult pyramid scheme, he's about as liberal as you're going to get. Don't expect him to be re tweeting Jezebel articles or to be waving from an LGBT float at the Notting Hill Carnival any time soon. People need to stop looking to the head of a dogmatic control obsessed organization for ethical guidance. They're not interested in your freedom, they're interested in your eternal soul and your wallet.


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    #41
    mikom
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    LGBT... ICBM........ OMG.

    Another good one from Pope windowdressing the 3rd.


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    #42
    hinault
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    Minjor wrote: »
    "Specifically, he compares transgender people to nuclear arms, and says that gender theory does not recognize the order of God’s creation. He goes a step further, saying that God has placed man and woman at the top of creation, saying that this is the design of the creator. He also says that if we do not recognize that order destruction will follow."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-compares-transgendered-people-to-nuclear-weapons

    This guy was being praised from all corners after getting the papacy, turns out it's just a case of same old, same old and another bigot.

    If the report is accurate, it's about time the Pope asserted church teaching on gender.

    Better late than never.


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    #43
    WoollyRedHat
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    Mr_Muffin wrote: »
    The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.

    *sigh*
    Do you know the muffin man?


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    #44
    The_Valeyard
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    That idiot really needs to keep his pie hole closed. And the media really need to stop reporting his crap and start treating him the way they would any other fruitcake.
    Mr_Muffin wrote: »
    The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.
    Yurt! wrote: »
    I'm not sure what people expect from the Pope. Given that he's the head of a 2000 year old global death cult pyramid scheme, he's about as liberal as you're going to get. Don't expect him to be re tweeting Jezebel articles or to be waving from an LGBT float at the Notting Hill Carnival any time soon. People need to stop looking to the head of a dogmatic control obsessed organization for ethical guidance. They're not interested in your freedom, they're interested in your eternal soul and your wallet.



    annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddd were off........


    Taking bets for most anti-RCC rant!!!!!


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    #45
    Desolation Of Smug
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    conorh91 wrote: »
    Why should he?

    What has an organization's policy aims to do with its members' willingness to endure destitution? If anyone said they wouldn't listen to Ban Ki-Moon until he donned sackcloth and vacated his Manhattan mansion, they'd be dismissed as belly-aching malcontents.

    Why should you be treated any different to those malcontents, Mr Smug?

    Lol. You're not really getting the whole "religious" idea, are you? If your point is correct, they might as well just throw all the old rules and stuff out the window and just call a spade a spade - "It's business lads, we spout some stuff, but don't mind that, just focus on the bottom line.."...No, wait.....


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    #46
    tritium
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    catallus wrote: »
    It may help to actually read something about what the man said:



    http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms

    Cutting any philosophical comment down to "OMG he said transgendered people are like nuclear weapons!!!" serves only to obfuscate the issues and to belittle the intelligence of all.

    Reading what he actually said I'm struggling to see where he compares anything. He does mention gender theory and nuclear weapons but that's pretty much it -may as well say someone who lists shoplifting and murder as criminal acts is equating the two . Thread title may as well be "UK rag delivers sensationalist headline , outrage ensues"


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    #47
    RobertKK
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    It is easy for people to believe what they want to believe like misleading headlines, so much better than seeking the truth when the misleading story correlates with what some want to believe.


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    #48
    NachoBusiness
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    In other news: Leading Scientologist says pregnant women need to learn to hush themselves.


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    #49
    humanji
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    Mr_Muffin wrote: »
    The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.
    MOD: Give that nonsense a rest, for a start.

    As with all religion threads, may I remind you to cut out the "I hate 'X' belief" rants. Nobody cares. Comment on the topic and stop taking everything so seriously.


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    #50
    1123heavy
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    Gay people are one thing, transgenders are a completely different kettle of fish. It must be dealt with very carefully and this must be played very tactfully.


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    #51
    floggg
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    wendell borton wrote: »
    That's a lot of high faluting theological mumbo jumbo that is taken out of context. If you judge him on his actions his is quite progressive, in the article it states he hugged a transsexual person and invitd them to the Vatican.

    How pathetically bigoted, spiteful, hateful and destructive does your organisation need to be if the organisations leader and ultimate moral authority hugging another human being is seen as being "quite progressive?"

    Just to put it in context, the last person to get so much coverage for hugging somebody was Eminem hugging Elton John over 10 years ago.

    So it took the Catholic church 10 years to make the same progress as a then 20 aonething year old angry, homophobic, misoginistic, drug addicted shock rapper who spent most of his albums outlining his mother issues and murder-suicide fantasies.

    Slow claps all round.


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    #52
    floggg
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    catallus wrote: »
    It may help to actually read something about what the man said:



    http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms

    Cutting any philosophical comment down to "OMG he said transgendered people are like nuclear weapons!!!" serves only to obfuscate the issues and to belittle the intelligence of all.

    It's not the nuclear weapons bit that's offensive - it's this bit:

    "But he then says that every historical period has "Herods" that "destroy, that plot designs of death, that disfigure the face of man and woman, destroying creation."

    What ever way you slice or spin his words it's ignorant and offensive.


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    #53
    ShowMeTheCash
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    Bandwaggon .... .... ... ... ... .. All aboard!

    We should stone him! :D


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    #54
    catallus
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    floggg wrote: »
    What ever way you slice or spin his words it's ignorant and offensive.

    I don't know about this; maybe the jump to taking offence or labelling someone ignorant because they hold a differing view is a bigger problem.

    The pope's words about "Herods" make a lot of sense in the context of even only the past 80 or so years, earlier even if we want to refer to his passing comment about nuclear weapons; but I think the point he was making about ideological colonisation is interesting.
    Francis' remarks on gender theory in the book follow similar remarks he made in a press conference on the papal plane in January in which he criticized what he called "ideological colonization" of less developed countries by those with more resources.

    Recounting the story of a public education minister he knew who was offered money to construct new schools for the poor, Francis said to receive the money, the minister had to agree to use a course book with students that taught gender theory.

    "This is the ideological colonization," the pope said. "It colonizes the people with an idea that changes, or wants to change, a mentality or a structure."

    "It is not new, this," he continued. "The same was done by the dictators of the last century. They came with their own doctrine -- think of the Balilla [youth groups of Fascist Italy], think of the Hitler Youth."

    Francis' reference to creation being inscribed with the designs of God seems to be a reference to the Catholic theological notion of natural law, an idea that nature itself carries a moral message that can be deciphered using the human faculty of reason.

    Now I get that all this could be dismissed as the pot calling the kettle black, but it is the head of the Catholic Church commenting on what is happening in the world; as has already been pointed out in-thread, what is one to expect? It is an organisation which works on the basic tenet that there is not one person breathing on the earth who is not a sinner. The challenge of faith is to use one's reason to "decipher the world", and to stand as a defence against those who would try and deny the sanctity of the Soul.

    Down with this sort of thing.


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    #55
    The_Valeyard
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    Most misleading title I've seen on boards in a long time, and that's saying something!!!


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    #56
    padd b1975
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    Amazed by all the non catholics who seem to hang on every word the Pope says, and not forgetting the non trannies tripping over themselves to register their outrage and how offended they are.


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    #57
    Ficheall
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    I'm clearly not as up-to-date on my catechism as some of the boardsies are - perhaps someone could explain how Herod translates to transsexuals?


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    #58
    stoneill
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    This Pope is funny.
    Evil Bilbo Pope wasn't funny.


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    #59
    RobertKK
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Amazed by all the non catholics who seem to hang on every word the Pope says, and not forgetting the non trannies tripping over themselves to register their outrage and how offended they are.

    Some people are more obsessed with religion than Catholics are. :pac:


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    #60
    Cuban Pete
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    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Amazed by all the non catholics who seem to hang on every word the Pope says

    We live in a country whose culture has indelibly been heavily influenced by the RCC. Couple that with the fact that, like it or lump it, the Pope is a major figurehead in international politics. A lot of people take his words seriously.

    This isn't really any different than people talking about things any other major international leader says.

    But I'm sure you knew that. :)


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    #61
    Deranged96
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    I really don't get the attitude people have to the Pope!

    He is the leader of the Catholic Church, there are millions of devout Catholics who actually aren't Looking to wrong foot him and those followers have well-defined (as does the church) beliefs on social matters.

    Why in high fúck should he accept abortion, gays, surrogacy, assisted suicide etc. etc.? People are actually surprised then when something like this (even though it is rather mild in context) comes out of the wood work.

    You either subscribe to his belief system or not, but getting into a tizzy when he says something like this is ridiculous.

    Cad a dhéanfadh mac an cat a dhéanamh ach luch a mharú? :pac:


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