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British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?

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    #572
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Good for you. If the fascists want to harrumph and moan about whether one wears/doesn't wear a poppy/lilly; sod 'em. It's down to personal choice.


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    #573
    LeixlipRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    After 39 pages has anyone effectively made the case that it's never ok for poor kids to die in a field somewhere on rich peoples' whims? That is, and always will be, the only argument against wearing the poppy.


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    #574
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    . . . . . ok for poor kids to die in a field somewhere on rich peoples' whims? That is, and always will be, the only argument against wearing the poppy.

    Nonsense. Read the thread.


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    #575
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Must be all west brits voting yes :rolleyes: how about the British all wear Easter Lilys on Easter Sunday eh :eek::rolleyes:


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    #576
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    No (I'm Irish)
    Noffles wrote: »
    Never surprised to see these threads... Every year the same... Depressingly predictable... Will wear a poppy for the office next week... If asked why, its personal and **** all to do with them.
    They come around at easter and christmas ....every year
    British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?
    Simple answer is many Irish in ireland ,UK and around the world have done and will continue to do , including ex-members of the defence forces ( IUNVA/IDFV-UK) who march alongside british ex-servicemens associations on regimental parades in London in June and rememberence sunday in November ,some who will also have served in the British forces as well as the Irish Defence Forces and have been doing so for many years now .


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    #577
    FetchTheGin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭FetchTheGin


    :eek:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1103/poppy.html
    Two 17-year-old youths and a 16-year-old boy have been charged with incitement to hatred in Northern Ireland.
    The charges follow the publication of a photograph on a social networking site which allegedly shows individuals burning a poppy.
    The alleged incident was reported to the police earlier this week.
    The 16-year-old was also charged with improper use of a social networking site.
    All three appeared before Coleraine Magistrates Court in Derry this morning.

    FFS! Isn't a court appearance a bit much? Sure they are idiots but getting a criminal conviction for it?! Christ!


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    #578
    LeixlipRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Morlar wrote: »
    Nonsense. Read the thread.

    Nah, I've read it every year. People say, "oh but it's the soldiers we're commemorating". But you're not, you're celebrating war, imperialism, etc,. Mourn the passing of the millions who've died fighting in pointless wars yes, wear poppies no.


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    #579
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    No (I'm Irish)
    FetchTheGin wrote: »
    :eek:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1103/poppy.html



    FFS! Isn't a court appearance a bit much? Sure they are idiots but getting a criminal conviction for it?! Christ!
    There are different ways of drawing attention to yourself ( like mooning from a car ) but they choose to to do something that was going to draw attention and offend many ...silly sods .


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    #580
    FetchTheGin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭FetchTheGin


    Latchy wrote: »
    There are different ways of drawing attention to yourself ( like mooning from a car ) but they choose to to do something that was going to draw attention and offend many ...silly sods .

    Do you think it warrants arrest and a court appearance?


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    #581
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Nah, I've read it every year. People say, "oh but it's the soldiers we're commemorating". But you're not, you're celebrating war, imperialism, etc,. Mourn the passing of the millions who've died fighting in pointless wars yes, wear poppies no.

    I think you could have been clearer in your post. I am not advocating Irish people should wear it either.


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    #582
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,975 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    FetchTheGin wrote: »
    Do you think it warrants arrest and a court appearance?

    Perhaps they were opium poppies.


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    #583
    FetchTheGin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭FetchTheGin


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Perhaps they were opium poppies.

    LOL

    Incitement to hatred of junkies. :D


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    #584
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    No (I'm British/not Irish)
    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Nah, I've read it every year. People say, "oh but it's the soldiers we're commemorating". But you're not, you're celebrating war, imperialism, etc,. Mourn the passing of the millions who've died fighting in pointless wars yes, wear poppies no.
    the poppy is not political, its just about remembering those who gave up their lives ,sons husbands brothers uncles they never came back from the front,and yes many irishmen died in the wars,and the ones who joined up in the first world war,went with the blessing of all the irish political parties,and when they came back the irish people turned against them ,


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    #585
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    No (I'm Irish)
    FetchTheGin wrote: »
    Do you think it warrants arrest and a court appearance?
    Well I haven't seen the video to pass judgement on weather it warrents arrest but by burning the poppy and displaying it on the web as mentioned, they broke the law regarding misuse of social network sites besides any cause of offence .


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    #586
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    getz wrote: »
    the poppy is not political, its just about remembering those who gave up their lives ,sons husbands brothers uncles they never came back from the front,and yes many irishmen died in the wars,and the ones who joined up in the first world war,went with the blessing of all the irish political parties,and when they came back the irish people turned against them ,

    If that was ALL this was about there would not be a problem.


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    #587
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    FetchTheGin wrote: »
    :eek:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1103/poppy.html



    FFS! Isn't a court appearance a bit much? Sure they are idiots but getting a criminal conviction for it?! Christ!


    Were they not just trying to smoke it? :D


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    #588
    Drumcondra Mafia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭Drumcondra Mafia


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    After 39 pages has anyone effectively made the case that it's never ok for poor kids to die in a field somewhere on rich peoples' whims? That is, and always will be, the only argument against wearing the poppy.

    Defining the Second World War like that is too simplistic.


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    #589
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    No (I'm Irish)
    Drumcondra Mafia wrote: »
    Defining the Second World War like that is too simplistic.
    First world war more like it which is were the poppy origins came from although it's now worn to remember the fallen in all conflicts and wars including southern ireland


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    #590
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Latchy wrote: »
    First world war more like it which is were the poppy origins came from although it's now worn to remember the fallen in all conflicts and wars including southern ireland

    I'm pretty sure it doesn't just mean the munster region.


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    #591
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    No (I'm Irish)
    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure it doesn't just mean the munster region.
    Oh it does actully , just as many men from Munster as well as Leinster,Connaught and Ulster joined the british forces in both major wars as well as after and you can go back to further to Napoleonic times to find southern Irishmen in the ranks of the British . On poppy day parade in London you'll find plenty of men from the Munster region .The Queen laid a wreath at garden of rememberence in honour of all irishmen who died abroad and in Ireland (including those who fought against British rule in ireland )


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    #592
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Latchy wrote: »
    Oh it does actully , just as many men from Munster as well as Leinster,Connaught and Ulster joined the british forces in both major wars as well as after and you can go back to further to Napoleonic times to find southern Irishmen in the ranks of the British . On poppy day parade in London you'll find plenty of men from the Munster region .

    Eh, exactly my point.

    Only Munster would be considered 'southern' Ireland. If you mean the 'Republic' of Ireland (which includes, east, west, and south) well then that's the term you should use.


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    #593
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    No (I'm Irish)
    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Eh, exactly my point.

    Only Munster would be considered 'southern' Ireland. If you mean the 'Republic' of Ireland (which includes, east, west, and south) well then that's the term you should use.
    We are talking provinces , Leinster and Connaught are also part of 'southern Ireland ' .


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    #594
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Latchy wrote: »
    We are talking provinces , Leinster and Connaught are also part of 'southern Ireland ' .


    I think you're being a little slow today. There is no such place as 'Southern Ireland'.

    Northern Ireland is called that, because that's the country's name. The other 26 counties occupy a country called 'the Republic of Ireland'.

    'Southern' Ireland would mean somewhere south, like Munster for instance.

    Maybe we should start calling England, 'Southern Scotland'?


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    #595
    Leftist
    Registered Users Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Maybe we should start calling England, 'Southern Scotland'?
    Stupid point.


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    #596
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Leftist wrote: »
    Stupid point.


    No different to calling the RoI 'Southern Ireland'.


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    #597
    Leftist
    Registered Users Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    No different to calling the RoI 'Southern Ireland'.
    Vastly different. There are two irish states, one is called northern ireland, for a foreigner to assume the other is known as southern ireland is perfectly reasonable even if inaccurate.

    Southern Scotland indeed.


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    #598
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    No (I'm Irish)
    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I think you're being a little slow today. There is no such place as 'Southern Ireland'.

    Northern Ireland is called that, because that's the country's name. The other 26 counties occupy a country called 'the Republic of Ireland'.

    'Southern' Ireland would mean somewhere south, like Munster for instance.

    ?
    Slow ? jasus ....

    So you like to split hairs to about a term of reference to describe a place ie , southern Ireland which if a foreigner (that's non Irish to you ) should ask the difference between the north and south of ireland ...I can't use ? Heaven forbid I should call it Eire
    Maybe we should start calling England, 'Southern Scotland' ?
    call it what ya loike

    G'day mate....
    Leftist wrote: »
    Vastly different. There are two irish states, one is called northern ireland, for a foreigner to assume the other is known as southern ireland is perfectly reasonable even if inaccurate.

    Southern Scotland indeed.
    My point exactly !


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    #599
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    No different to calling the RoI 'Southern Ireland'.

    The Republic of Ireland and NI are two different countries.


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    #600
    LordSutch
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    No (I'm Irish)
    Indeed, and the poppy is worn in both, with the proceeds in the Republic going to Dublin, and the proceeds in NI going to London.


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    #601
    philologos
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    No (I'm Irish)
    LondonIrish90 wrote: »
    Wow 550 replies and it is only the first of november. The remembrance period has really touched the hearts of After Hours this year! ;)

    Many poppies already being worn in London today which is nice to see as the real drive to sell them hasn't got underway yet (3rd and 4th of November the TA and veterans hit the stations etc)

    They were out in the City today from Liverpool St station right along to the Monument.

    I think it is good to see people taking the time out to think about the dead at war.
    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    After 39 pages has anyone effectively made the case that it's never ok for poor kids to die in a field somewhere on rich peoples' whims? That is, and always will be, the only argument against wearing the poppy.

    Who said that was the reason behind wearing it?

    The reason for many people as has been highlighted in this thread is to commemorate the dead at war irrespective of what side they are on. I think there is value to that. You mightn't. Fair enough.


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