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British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?

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    #542
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    getz wrote: »
    most countries in europe were involved,with the exception of swedon switzerland and ireland,

    and spain


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    #543
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    and spain

    Very true. Portugal remanined neutral also, I guess someone does'nt know their history :)


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    #544
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    getz wrote: »
    most countries in europe were involved,with the exception of swedon switzerland and ireland,if you want to know just where the irish president is on november 13 rememberance sunday,you may spot him at the ecumenical service in st patricks cathedral dublin ,

    Will he be wearing his little poppy? :p

    It's only right that the president of the republic should attend, show there's no hard feelings...accept victory with good grace etc etc


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    #545
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,992 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Bambi wrote: »
    Will he be wearing his little poppy? :p

    The poppy will be wearing him.


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    #546
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    No (I'm Irish)
    All this over a little flower ! That's worn to commerate and show a little respect to ordinary people who died a lonely death


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    #547
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    tfitzgerald wrote: »
    All this over a little flower ! That's worn to commerate and show a little respect to ordinary people who died a lonely death

    I wouldn't call it lonely. Over 25,000 men were killed on the first day of the Somme.

    And we get upset about 9/11.


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    #548
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I wouldn't call it lonely. Over 25,000 men were killed on the first day of the Somme.

    And we get upset about 9/11.

    Everyone dies alone.


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    #549
    Pete Digger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20 ✭Pete Digger


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I'll start with the 'Gloification of fighting for another country's cause' comment. If you were in the know, you would be aware that the poppy is nothing to do with the glorification of . . . I don't know why you have come to this conclusion? because the poppy is a solemn symbol for the fallen, it is to remeber the dead, their relatives, and in our case (The Irish ones) the deep sadness of loss, and he futility of war! There is "no Glorification" as you put it, and if you were to attend a Remembrance service you would know this basic fact! I will finish by saying, it doesnt really matter what people think either way, my Irish family is steeped in the tradition of remembering on the 11th of the 11th, many Irish families are, and many more are not, each to their own, but it is a massive step in the right direction that I can now wear my poppy on the streets of Dublin without abuse, twenty years ago it would have been a brave man who would have worn one walking the streets . . . . .

    PS; This thread is slowly getting derailed, away from the basic topic.

    Obviously, you take great exception to use of the word 'glorification', so I will unreservedly change it to a more solemn and appropriate term. 'Honouring' those who have fought in defence of the British Empire. Or even as simple as 'remembering' those who have fought in defence of the British Empire.

    But the basic disconnect remains. Why are we honouring or remembering those who have served in the interests of another nation? Why are we not, for example, also remembering Irish people who served in the American army or in the French Foreign Legion?

    Like I said, it's pretty much a colonial hangover. I agree with you that everyone has the right to subscribe to it, especially given family histories, without experiencing abuse. But it's still a colonial hangover.


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    #550
    KeithAFC
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    No (I'm British/not Irish)
    Just bought more poppies. Always good to give to a good cause and to remember our fallen volunteers.


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    #551
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    tfitzgerald wrote: »
    That's worn to commerate and show a little respect to ordinary people who died a lonely death

    bollox it is :P


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    #552
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,992 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Just bought more poppies. Always good to give to a good cause and to remember our fallen volunteers.

    What about the poor conscriptees, don't they get a look in?


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    #553
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    What about the poor conscriptees, don't they get a look in?

    He means the UVF.


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    #554
    LondonIrish90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭LondonIrish90


    No (I'm British/not Irish)
    Wow 550 replies and it is only the first of november. The remembrance period has really touched the hearts of After Hours this year! ;)

    Many poppies already being worn in London today which is nice to see as the real drive to sell them hasn't got underway yet (3rd and 4th of November the TA and veterans hit the stations etc)


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    #555
    Dozen Wicked Words
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Yes (I'm Irish)
    Is this the same thread as last year/year before/year before/year before, or has there been some new information that has come to light?

    Personally I don't object if people wish to wear the poppy, but also don't mind if they would prefer not to. The poppy fascism that the Daily Mail and the like foists upon us (and has probably been mentioned in this thread, if not, check previous years, its definitely there) makes me inclined not to wear one.

    Poll needs more don't mind either way.


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    #556
    gurramok
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    LondonIrish90 wrote: »
    Many poppies already being worn in London today which is nice to see as the real drive to sell them hasn't got underway yet (3rd and 4th of November the TA and veterans hit the stations etc)

    Good for you. Nice that Ireland has her own army and no foreign army in Dublin for the last 90 years.


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    #557
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    No (I'm Irish)
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I wouldn't call it lonely. Over 25,000 men were killed on the first day of the Somme.

    And we get upset about 9/11.

    Of course it was a lonely death everybody faces it alone


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    #558
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Just bought more poppies. Always good to give to a good cause and to remember our fallen volunteers.

    i was wondering where keith was not like him to miss a thread like this


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    #559
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    tfitzgerald wrote: »
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I wouldn't call it lonely. Over 25,000 men were killed on the first day of the Somme.

    And we get upset about 9/11.

    Of course it was a lonely death everybody faces it alone
    Do they? I guess we all find out eventualy


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    #560
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    No (I'm Irish)
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Do they? I guess we all find out eventualy

    We'll sorry Fred , I'm not holding your hand


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    #561
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    No (I'm British/not Irish)
    Bambi wrote: »
    Very true. Portugal remanined neutral also, I guess someone does'nt know their history :)
    i said most countries,i quess some people dont read the threads,


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    #562
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    No (I'm British/not Irish)
    Bambi wrote: »
    Will he be wearing his little poppy? :p

    It's only right that the president of the republic should attend, show there's no hard feelings...accept victory with good grace etc etc
    no bambi the reason he may be there [in the church of ireland church] is to remember the irishmen who died in the two world wars, but i take it you dont care


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    #563
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,201 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Possibly. Again it sounds like a court should decide that.

    Shooting a 12 year old girl carrying milk home from the shop is an act of terrorism according to yourself. Ergo, the British Army are terrorists.

    I would agree that the British in the 06 were terrorists as they ruled using terror.


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    #564
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Where's the "06"? Do you mean Northern Ireland?

    We've been through this before. You obviously have a short memory or wish to go through the same pointless discussion we had yesterday.


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    #565
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,992 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I see that Julian Assange is wearing a poppy. If it's good enough for him, it must be good enough for anybody.









    :pac:


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    #566
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,201 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Fratton Fred wrote: »

    We've been through this before. You obviously have a short memory or wish to go through the same pointless discussion we had yesterday.

    Sum it up for me so...

    Using your own definition of terrorism (or any other one) do you believe the British Army are terrorists?


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    #567
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Sum it up for me so...

    Using your own definition of terrorism (or any other one) do you believe the British Army are terrorists?

    That's a very good question. I would say by their actions in NI and elsewhere in the world they have certainly visited terror on the local populations - usually for the cause of the so-called greater good. Having said that, for me the blame lies more with the establishment and top brass rather than your standard grunt who probably has little understanding of the politics. In my view.

    The paramilitaries on both "sides" are also misguidedly in it for the greater good and protecting the community. Like the security forces, they are self important, self appointed warlords bringing misery and terror to those they claim to protect. In my view.


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    #568
    shannon_tek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭shannon_tek


    I got given out to for bringing one back. so i take it the Irish told me to sh g off with it that they dont live in the UK :D


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    #569
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    shannon_tek wrote: »
    I got given out to for bringing one back. so i take it the Irish told me to sh g off with it that they dont live in the UK :D

    Was that in Tescos? ;)


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    #570
    shannon_tek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭shannon_tek


    old hippy wrote: »
    Was that in Tescos? ;)

    No i brought it from the uk home


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    #571
    Noffles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Noffles


    No (I'm British/not Irish)
    Never surprised to see these threads... Every year the same... Depressingly predictable... Will wear a poppy for the office next week... If asked why, its personal and **** all to do with them.


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