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Cross on Carauntoohill had been cut down

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    #32
    Highflyer13
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    Keep it down ta f**k. Its only a blight on the landscape. No doubt the Government will say this is more evidence of ISIS in the country.


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    #33
    beveragelady
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Lads we better bulldoze Christchurch and St Patricks cathedral, religious iconography have no place on public roads. Better start melting down all the bronze statues in towns and cities around thr country, they dont represent my beliefs or culture and therefore offend me.

    Churches and cathedrals are purpose-built places where people go to worship. Why would I enter a church unless I wanted to worship? As well as that, they are often of artistic, cultural and architectural interest.
    Mountains are lovely great big lumps of planet earth that are fun to walk up and down, mindblowingly beautiful and gloriously non-denominational. The presence of a cross bothers some people. The absence of a cross bothers nobody.


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    #34
    RobertKK
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    You see crosses on lots of mountains across Europe, often overlooking a village, town or city.

    One would have to be mentally suspect to get so worked up about a cross on a mountain.
    We have a Christian heritage whether one likes it or not, and removing symbols of this is not going to change society or our heritage.


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    #35
    davycc
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    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Keep it down ta f**k. Its only a blight on the landscape. No doubt the Government will say this is more evidence of ISIS in the country.

    This plus 1 :-)


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    #36
    FrStone
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    We will have to start guarding crosses on other mountains, in case this is part of some sick plan.


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    #37
    madcabbage
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    Lads regardless of what everyone thinks of religion nowadays it's a senseless act. It's a shame for those who might have not climbed the mountain to have a glance. Most people get pics taken with the cross, it's a thing that's done.


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    #38
    To Elland Back
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    Shouldn't really be any religious symbols in our national parks or our natural beauty spots. That's from a bygone era and best left there in my opinion


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    #39
    RED L4 0TH
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    FrStone wrote: »
    We will have to start guarding crosses on other mountains, in case this is part of some sick plan.

    http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/10354509_577557725696914_1148713453_a.jpg


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    #40
    beveragelady
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    You see crosses on lots of mountains across Europe, often overlooking a village, town or city.

    One would have to be mentally suspect to get so worked up about a cross on a mountain.
    We have a Christian heritage whether one likes it or not, and removing symbols of this is not going to change society or our heritage.

    I agree that whoever cut the cross down is probably not entirely mentally stable, maybe they're working through some issues of their own, but I'm still glad it's gone.

    The cross has only been there since the seventies, so it's a bit of a stretch to call it part of our heritage.


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    #41
    RobertKK
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    beveragelady wrote: »
    I agree that whoever cut the cross down is probably not entirely mentally stable, maybe they're working through some issues of their own, but I'm still glad it's gone.

    The cross has only been there since the seventies, so it's a bit of a stretch to call it part of our heritage.

    No doubt it will be replaced, otherwise is giving in to vandals.

    The person or people responsible had no mandate to carry out such an action.


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    #42
    Squeedily Spooch
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    No doubt it will be replaced, otherwise is giving in to vandals.

    The person or people responsible had no mandate to carry out such an action.

    Nor did the ones sticking it up there in the first place. It's a natural beauty, leave it alone.


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    #43
    amdublin
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    Allyall wrote: »
    Regardless, If they wanted it down, they could have started a petition.
    At the time it was erected, Ireland was a very Catholic Country, as time went on, it stood as reminder of our past.
    Are they going to go and cut down all the crosses in Glendalough because they don't agree with them?

    I couldn't care either way if the cross was there or not, but there are better ways to go about it.

    And what about the pope's cross in the Phoenix Park. Someone takes a disliking to that, are they just going to go in and hack that down?

    I like what you say about it being a reminder of our past.


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    #44
    Laura Palmer
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    I'm all for secularisation too, but not forcing this secularism on others (as that is doing exactly what's being objected to in terms of religion) and removing this old symbol of christianity via vandalism is not the way to go.


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    #45
    RobertKK
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    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    Nor did the ones sticking it up there in the first place. It's a natural beauty, leave it alone.

    How long is it there?


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    #46
    One eyed Jack
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    beveragelady wrote: »
    Churches and cathedrals are purpose-built places where people go to worship. Why would I enter a church unless I wanted to worship? As well as that, they are often of artistic, cultural and architectural interest.
    Mountains are lovely great big lumps of planet earth that are fun to walk up and down, mindblowingly beautiful and gloriously non-denominational. The presence of a cross bothers some people. The absence of a cross bothers nobody some people just as much.


    FYP there. It's a part of this country's history and it's nothing short of sheer malicious vandalism and spite on the part of those cowards who took it upon themselves to cut it down.


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    #47
    nc6000
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    They must have had some extension lead with them.


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    #48
    FrStone
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    Squeedily Spooch wrote: »
    Nor did the ones sticking it up there in the first place. It's a natural beauty, leave it alone.

    They most certainly did have a mandate when it was erected in 1976. There was huge support for it, it was erected to replace the older wooden cross.

    The community got together to ensure that a cross would be on the mountain.


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    #49
    Molester Stallone II
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    How long is it there?

    Oh, it's there's hundreds of years, its been there since way back in 1976
    :)


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    #50
    artanevilla
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    The hill is private property is it not?


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    #51
    Shiraz 4.99
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    I didn't complain when someone put it up, I'm not going to complain when someone cut it down. Meh with an extra topping of mehness.


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    #52
    FrStone
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    Molester Stallone II wrote: »
    Oh, it's there's hundreds of years, its been there since way back in 1976
    :)

    The new cross is there since then. There was an older one there before then love.


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    #53
    moc moc a moc
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Lads we better bulldoze Christchurch and St Patricks cathedral, religious iconography have no place on public roads.

    You're being disingenuous and childish. You know very well that there is no comparison between almost 1,000-year-old iconic architecture and an ugly iron cross from the seventies.


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    #54
    gctest50
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    FrStone wrote: »
    The new cross is there since then. There was an older one there before then love.

    still there less than 2000 years

    the mountain had been there unmolested for many more thousands of years


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    #55
    FrStone
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    still there less than 2000 years

    the mountain had been there unmolested for many more thousands of years

    So you are suggesting we can destroy anything we don't agree with in a public area, if it is less than 2000 years old.


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    #56
    suicide_circus
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    moc moc a moc wrote: »
    You're being disingenuous and childish. You know very well that there is no comparison between almost 1,000-year-old iconic architecture and an ugly iron cross from the seventies.
    Disingenuous? Childish? Probably.
    But people here aren't in favour of the crosses removal because it's ugly or from the 70s but because it is a Christian symbol.


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    #57
    Shiraz 4.99
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    Was it a gas torch or a con saw job. High marks for determination.


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    #58
    Saipanne
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Disingenuous? Childish? Probably.
    But people here aren't in favour of the crosses removal because it's ugly or from the 70s but because it is a Christian symbol.

    Would you support a Muslim symbol being put up there, if the locals were all for it?

    Jewish symbol?

    Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    And don't start that "recognised religion" pseudo Nazi crap...


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    #59
    anncoates
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    Not to worry. It should be resurrected in three days.


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    #60
    mcmoustache
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    I think that there should be an open bidding process to re-erect the advert. The Catholic Church's logo has had an unfair monopoly on that piece of prime advertising real estate and as far as I know, they haven't even been keeping up with their payments.

    Other companies, for example Coca Cola or Pepsi, could put a similarly sized billboard up there instead. There could even be a vending machine up there for thirsty climbers.

    With the revenue generated, we could install an escalator to carry obese tourists up to the top although we'd probably need to put a McDonalds up there to keep them happy. Then again, McDonalds would probably be more than happy to erect a giant M on top of Ireland's highest mountain.

    Actually, the more I think about it, maybe we shouldn't have corporate logos on our mountains.


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    #61
    wandatowell
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    Then you are intolerant. Period. Discriminatory too

    Hoping it is replaced and soon.. that sign is of hope and beauty which we need so much

    :confused:


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