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Wasn't to many staff out picketing today, was the weather to wet or couldn't they be bothered
A company with 2,000 ish staff and you could probably bet less than 200 came out across all stations!
Well all the staff at my station were out in force & fair play to them for doing so in such terrible weather conditions.0 -
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I've noticed a bit of heated debate in the last few pages of the thread, so before joining in I'd just like to say-
I work in the private sector, however the majority of my family work in the public sector. I am not on any "side" frankly, I'll take an opposing/supportive view to either side if imo, workers are being treated poorly/ just taking the p**s
So, I have some questions and then my opinion, I am open to corrections from both sides.
1. Would it be correct to say the low end of the scale is about 30k?
2. that for the lowest paid, a cut of 1.7% will apply? (increasing proportionally with income to 5%)?
3. That it is possible that there are frontline workers earning up to 50k?
4. That this pay cut is a temporary measure?
5. That IE provide pensions and benefits?
So- just my tuppence. White flag here
:D
Would the staff not agree to the temporary pay cut, and if this promise was broken then fair enough, go and strike.
Would this cut -temporary cut- amount to as little as 10/15 quid a week for some people?
Don't get me wrong, I am not belittling 15euro a week, I certainly know the difference that can make.
But lads, I know of a guy who has a Masters in Radiology, he's not even earning 30 k a year and he is working in his field yes, in a private hospital. Granted he's there just a year.
Another has no college experience and is employed to run (doesn't own) a business with 60 staff. It makes profit, 1million quid a year, he gets 50k.
IE are losing money. there are thousands of others with families, bills etc who are skilled/ hard working etc whose salary is far below the average in IE.
Hell, forget about the average of 51k, 30k at the lower end is good money. There are IT developers starting on that.
I know I can't say for sure as I may not suit the job, but if your pay was reduced 20% I'd take it. I'd certainly apply, train (excuse the pun) and try my hardest. And if it was decided I was sht then fair enough.
And yes, in the past I have worked shift work, gotten up at 4am, gotten home at midnight etc. And thats without a pension and benefits. So with that aspect of the work I get it.
But to have a relatively secure job, with that pay, with an incremental scale, pension and other benefits, I think for the sake of 10/15 quid a week (temporarily at that) yous are mental :pac:0 -
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If i worked in one of them halts id be mad not to go in to work during the strike. Pickets would be on the main stations,i wouldnt be passing a picket, it would be only me in the station, i'd sign in and tidy up a bit and then go home as there would be no trains or passengers . End result is that id get my days pay and then go and stand with the lads later in the day at another station and get my strike pay as well
Happy days all round for me . 0 -
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So, I have some questions and then my opinion, I am open to corrections from both sides.
1. Would it be correct to say the low end of the scale is about 30k?
About 36k would be the lowest end of the scale at depotman grade.
Pretty much yes on this.2. that for the lowest paid, a cut of 1.7% will apply? (increasing proportionally with income to 5%)?3. That it is possible that there are frontline workers earning up to 50k?
Only ones that could be on close to that would be the drivers at the top of the scale (10years).
Thats what therye saying but the key issue on this is Trust. We got a goverment that undermined the previous cost saving agreement that people signed up to within months of it being agreed via cutting the subsidy again. As it stands people working there believe theyre lying and theyll just keep undermining the place since they got no interest in actually maintaining it for the people4. That this pay cut is a temporary measure?
No major benefits bar privilage fares for travelling from where im working the pension for most is basically something that is meant to augment the state pension when people retire its no payday if thats what your wondering.5. That IE provide pensions and benefits?
As far as the staff position goes they agreed to reduced terms and conditions in return for core pay being maintained and the goverment and managment basically undermined it within 2 months of agreement. The managment and goverment basically have no credibility atm and if workers dont make a stand theyll just keep walking over them.Would the staff not agree to the temporary pay cut, and if this promise was broken then fair enough, go and strike.
Supposedly but that being said you got the goverment thats tossed a bunch of taxes on everyone including them dramatically reducing income and then theres the water taxes beginning soon. Throw a morgage and young family into the mix and that money can be the difference for some.Would this cut -temporary cut- amount to as little as 10/15 quid a week for some people?I know I can't say for sure as I may not suit the job, but if your pay was reduced 20% I'd take it. I'd certainly apply, train (excuse the pun) and try my hardest. And if it was decided I was sht then fair enough.
And yes, in the past I have worked shift work, gotten up at 4am, gotten home at midnight etc. And thats without a pension and benefits. So with that aspect of the work I get it.
But to have a relatively secure job, with that pay, with an incremental scale, pension and other benefits, I think for the sake of 10/15 quid a week (temporarily at that) yous are mental :pac:
To be honest though the way the companys being run the last few years expecially with the gutting of the front line staff has basically brought things to the point where the future of the company is in serious doubt. Theres been alot of mismanagment with things like the spending on excess trains not to mention the sheer amount of holes with revenue and the free travel pass scheme. Basically its either face the issues down now or wait till they slowly bleed the place dry down the road. Either way could be the same result so better to face down these issues now than have them constantly kicking them down the road till its too late.0 -
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