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Losing weight in 5 weeks.

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    #92
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    ford2600 wrote: »
    Ok we will never agree.

    I love the certain answer.:D

    I'll leave ye with yere dogma

    You cant agree that eating too much makes you fat? You won't enjoy your time here so.


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    #93
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Please please point out where I said people got fat after 1977.

    Of course people got fat from eating grains and whatever sugar was consumed.

    It was miniscule. There was hardly any processed foods/ low fat options .

    People got fat from eating too much. Not some idiotic belief that grains create calories from nowhere or that in 1977 everyone suddenly switched to low fat and got fat.


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    #94
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The consensus is that it's poor at calculating your allowance.

    You didn't point out that it's not necessary to count calories. You stated you could overeat and lose weight. If so.one has their TDEE correctly calculated then what you said was misleading.
    My reasoning is down to my own nutrition- always struggled with weight- did the counting calories - around 2,500 - 3000 daily-eating all foods but never much junk but plenty of grains- exercised a lot- competitive sport, running , weights . Still struggled with weight

    When I discovered the previous listed books- I went 80% paleo- good results- have since cut out all grains and barely any sugar- some berries. My results have been better, easier and quicker than anything in previous 16 years. It works for me but one size doesn't fit all I suppose. And Ive hardly ever exercised in this time apart from walking and some golf.


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    #95
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Weight will be lost due to elimination of sugar & grains and therefore most carbs also. Eat over daily calorie amount and you will still lose fat

    There is nothing correct in this statement.


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    #96
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    My reasoning is down to my own nutrition- always struggled with weight- did the counting calories - around 2,500 - 3000 daily-eating all foods but never much junk but plenty of grains- exercised a lot- competitive sport, running , weights . Still struggled with weight

    You were eating too much.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    When I discovered the previous listed books- I went 80% paleo- good results- have since cut out all grains and barely any sugar- some berries. My results have been better, easier and quicker than anything in previous 16 years. It works for me but one size doesn't fit all I suppose. And Ive hardly ever exercised in this time apart from walking and some golf.

    You are eating less.


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    #97
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    There is nothing correct in this statement.

    It's all true. Point out how it is false. Macros are key- too many carbs make you fat.


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    #98
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    You were eating too much.

    So when I ate 2,500-3000 cals I ate too much?

    You are eating less.

    Now I eat average 4000 cals a day and I'm eating less according to you?

    I'm now eating way more calories - but I've had way more success. Figure that one out!


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    #99
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,554 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    My reasoning is down to my own nutrition

    It works for me but one size doesn't fit all I suppose. And Ive hardly ever exercised in this time apart from walking and some golf.

    The problem is you're pitching it as a one-size-fits all approach.

    I've no problem with you saying what you did and qualifying it as just that rather than making blanket statements like "do x and y and you can eat over your calorie allowance and still lose weight".


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    #100
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    People got fat from eating too much. Not some idiotic belief that grains create calories from nowhere or that in 1977 everyone suddenly switched to low fat and got fat.

    People got fat from eating too many grains and in 20th century too much sugar. You cannot get fat from eating too much meat, fish, butter, cream veg, some fruit, some nuts

    Low fat usually means higher sugar content to add flavour robbed from making it low fat so this has a part to play too.


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    #101
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The problem is you're pitching it as a one-size-fits all approach.

    I've no problem with you saying what you did and qualifying it as just that rather than making blanket statements like "do x and y and you can eat over your calorie allowance and still lose weight".

    I just said one size doesn't fit all- it works for me. However if you were to follow Tim Noakes, Vinnie Tortorich you would see it works for almost everyone.


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    #102
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The problem is you're pitching it as a one-size-fits all approach.

    Isn't that the whole problem; eat less especially fat exercise more is the one size fits all answer pushed here and by Health authorities?

    High fat low carb will work well for some, particularly those with carbohydrate intolerance.

    Japan does very well on high carb (and being wealthy lol) but the don't consume high sugar. Taubes over stepped the msrk condemning carbs for everyone

    Half applying Thermodynamic Laws to humans isn't a great way to approach nutrition.


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    #103
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,554 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    ford2600 wrote: »
    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The problem is you're pitching it as a one-size-fits all approach.

    Isn't that the whole problem; eat less especially fat exercise more is the one size fits all answer pushed here and by Health authorities?

    High fat low carb will work well for some, particularly those with carbohydrate intolerance.

    Japan does very well on high carb (and being wealthy lol) but the don't consume high sugar. Taubes over stepped the msrk condemning carbs for everyone

    Half applying Thermodynamic Laws to humans isn't a great way to approach nutrition.

    Eat less fat isn't pushed as the answer here though.

    As for 'health authorities', more and more people disregard what they say these days.


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    #104
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    ford2600 wrote: »
    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The problem is you're pitching it as a one-size-fits all approach.

    Isn't that the whole problem; eat less especially fat exercise more is the one size fits all answer pushed here and by Health authorities?

    High fat low carb will work well for some, particularly those with carbohydrate intolerance.

    Japan does very well on high carb (and being wealthy lol) but the don't consume high sugar. Taubes over stepped the msrk condemning carbs for everyone

    Thats true - the message from health authorities is increasing the problem.
    I'm guessing rice is number one grain in japan- rice best of a bad lot for me. There is evidence that Japanese health suffers in other ways due to this approach to nutrition. Reading the big fat surprise at moment which mentions this.

    I don't find much wrong with Taubes work


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    #105
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    It's all true. Point out how it is false. Macros are key- too many carbs make you fat.

    Too much of anything makes you fat. You are the one making a ridiculous statement, the onus is on you for proof - this is in the forum rules.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Now I eat average 4000 cals a day and I'm eating less according to you?

    I'm now eating way more calories - but I've had way more success. Figure that one out!

    There is nothing to figure out, your calorie requirements changed and/or the amount you were consuming.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    People got fat from eating too many grains and in 20th century too much sugar. You cannot get fat from eating too much meat, fish, butter, cream veg, some fruit, some nuts

    Low fat usually means higher sugar content to add flavour robbed from making it low fat so this has a part to play too.

    You can absolutely get fat from eating too much meat, fish, butter, cream veg, some fruit, some nuts.

    I am well aware of the pitfalls of low fat. This forum does not recommend low fat products in general.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    I just said one size doesn't fit all- it works for me. However if you were to follow Tim Noakes, Vinnie Tortorich you would see it works for almost everyone.

    Do you think simply adding names validates your point (a model/radio presenter and an undertaker are not great references btw)? Link to research showing that grain specifically makes you fat when under consuming calories or what you are doing is just trolling.


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    #106
    top madra
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭top madra


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Too much of anything makes you fat. You are the one making a ridiculous statement, the onus is on you for proof - this is in the forum rules.



    There is nothing to figure out, your calorie requirements changed and/or the amount you were consuming.


    You can absolutely get fat from eating too much meat, fish, butter, cream veg, some fruit, some nuts.

    I am well aware of the pitfalls of low fat. This forum does not recommend low fat products in general.



    Do you think simply adding names validates your point (a model/radio presenter and an undertaker are not great references btw)? Link to research showing that grain specifically makes you fat when under consuming calories or what you are doing is just trolling.

    You are pissing against the breeze my friend.


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    #107
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Too much of anything makes you fat. You are the one making a ridiculous statement, the onus is on you for proof - this is in the forum rules.



    There is nothing to figure out, your calorie requirements changed and/or the amount you were consuming.


    You can absolutely get fat from eating too much meat, fish, butter, cream veg, some fruit, some nuts.

    I am well aware of the pitfalls of low fat. This forum does not recommend low fat products in general.



    Do you think simply adding names validates your point (a model/radio presenter and an undertaker are not great references btw)? Link to research showing that grain specifically makes you fat when under consuming calories or what you are doing is just trolling.

    Too much of anything makes you fat- broccoli?! So you can get fat from having a diet without almost any carbs?

    When you eat those foods every day without sugar and grain you don't overeat- you can't you stop when you feel satiated. We don't crave those foods like we do with grains and sugar which are addictive.

    Check the other references I've listed. I'll also throw in Robert lustig, mat lalonde, John briffa. Can you list some to back up your views? Saw some official research that said cereal is the best start to your day- who paid for it - Kellogg's - can't trust lots of research.

    How could I train 4 times a week and eat too much at 2,500 cals?

    I stop training- I now suddenly require 4000 cals and I lose weight?

    How does that work- please explain .


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    #108
    Squat Rack Curler
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    Bruno26 wrote: »
    How does that work- please explain .

    You were not eating 2500 calories before and you are not eating 4000 calories now.
    A hypocaloric paleo diet will not hold any benefits over a traditional caloric defecit.


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    #109
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Squat Rack Curler wrote: »
    You were not eating 2500 calories before and you are not eating 4000 calories now.
    A hypocaloric paleo diet will not hold any benefits over a traditional caloric defecit.

    Yes I was and yes I am. I've never followed a hypocaloric paleo diet. However if someone did I'm sure there would be health benefits in nsng part of that diet.


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    #110
    Squat Rack Curler
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Yes I was and yes I am. I've never followed a hypocaloric paleo diet. However if someone did I'm sure there would be health benefits in nsng part of that diet.

    You clearly don't understand how the human body works. You claim you lost weight on a paleo diet but not in a caloric defecit? Please enlighten me on said benefits


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    #111
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Squat Rack Curler wrote: »
    You clearly don't understand how the human body works. You claim you lost weight on a paleo diet but not in a caloric defecit? Please enlighten me on said benefits

    HFLC is the approach I take. Easy and works better than full on paleo for me. I will say it agin you do not need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight - yes this is what we've been brainwashed with for years. It's simply not true. But your obviously an expert so keep counting calories.


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    #112
    rocky
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    B, What's your height/weight? How long ago was your conversion?


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    #113
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    rocky wrote: »
    B, What's your height/weight? How long ago was your conversion?

    6 ft 1

    Just under 13 stone now. At one stage was over 15 stone. Started to follow paleo about 18 months ago but never more than 80%. Have been following hflc for about 3 months since discovering tim noakes and documentary cereal killers.

    I now find it quite easy- spend a lot more time preparing food now- I find food really enjoyable- feel way better and leaner than anytime in last 10 years. The only exercise in this time is some walking & some golf.


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    #114
    desultory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭desultory


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    6 ft 1

    Just under 13 stone now. At one stage was over 15 stone. Started to follow paleo about 18 months ago but never more than 80%. Have been following hflc for about 3 months since discovering tim noakes and documentary cereal killers.

    I now find it quite easy- spend a lot more time preparing food now- I find food really enjoyable- feel way better and leaner than anytime in last 10 years. The only exercise in this time is some walking & some golf.

    So you're eating 1500 calories a day more, exercising less and you're 2 stone lighter?
    I think you may visit the doctor.


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    #115
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    desultory wrote: »
    So you're eating 1500 calories a day more, exercising less and you're 2 stone lighter?
    I think you may visit the doctor.

    Pretty much yes- hard to believe - an increase in calories but from completely different food sources. All calories are not equal - huge amount of information coming out on this.

    Simplyfying a bit- back then was drinking a bit- once or twice at weekend which obviously increased calories on those days but would have exercised as believed you could out exercise the bad stuff


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    #116
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Too much of anything makes you fat- broccoli?! So you can get fat from having a diet without almost any carbs?

    When you eat those foods every day without sugar and grain you don't overeat- you can't you stop when you feel satiated. We don't crave those foods like we do with grains and sugar which are addictive.

    Check the other references I've listed. I'll also throw in Robert lustig, mat lalonde, John briffa. Can you list some to back up your views? Saw some official research that said cereal is the best start to your day- who paid for it - Kellogg's - can't trust lots of research.

    How could I train 4 times a week and eat too much at 2,500 cals?

    I stop training- I now suddenly require 4000 cals and I lose weight?

    How does that work- please explain .

    Yes, even too much brocolli will make you fat. You realise that both carbs and fat are both stored as fat during excess consumption right?

    It is completely possible to overeat and gain fat when not eating grains and sugar. Please provide links showing otherwise. Naming people is not providing references. I don't actually need to back up my views, the onus is on you.

    Please get your facts straight
    A general rule that we all should try to live by, but invariably do not. However in this forum misinformation could have fairly tangible consequences. We will all make mistakes and we will all disagree with some things as the best approach, however if you post truly idiotic or dangerous advice it will be removed. In debates try to back your points with existing literature if available. Do not post unfounded allegations or state potential links if you cannot defend them.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    HFLC is the approach I take. Easy and works better than full on paleo for me. I will say it agin you do not need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight - yes this is what we've been brainwashed with for years. It's simply not true. But your obviously an expert so keep counting calories.

    Absolutely 100% incorrect and frankly stupid and dangerous advice.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Pretty much yes- hard to believe - an increase in calories but from completely different food sources. All calories are not equal - huge amount of information coming out on this.

    Simplyfying a bit- back then was drinking a bit- once or twice at weekend which obviously increased calories on those days but would have exercised as believed you could out exercise the bad stuff

    Actually all calories are equal as a calorie is a specific unit of measurement. What you really mean is not all calories are used equally.

    You were not eating sub 2500 with a 2500 requirement and gaining weight, nor are you now eating 4000 with a 4000+ requirement and losing weight. Most likely you were overestimating your TDEE and now you are over estimating your intake.


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    #117
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Yes, even too much brocolli will make you fat. You realise that both carbs and fat are both stored as fat during excess consumption right?

    It is completely possible to overeat and gain fat when not eating grains and sugar. Please provide links showing otherwise. Naming people is not providing references. I don't actually need to back up my views, the onus is on you.

    Please get your facts straight
    A general rule that we all should try to live by, but invariably do not. However in this forum misinformation could have fairly tangible consequences. We will all make mistakes and we will all disagree with some things as the best approach, however if you post truly idiotic or dangerous advice it will be removed. In debates try to back your points with existing literature if available. Do not post unfounded allegations or state potential links if you cannot defend them.



    Absolutely 100% incorrect and frankly stupid and dangerous advice.



    Actually all calories are equal as a calorie is a specific unit of measurement. What you really mean is not all calories are used equally.

    You were not eating sub 2500 with a 2500 requirement and gaining weight, nor are you now eating 4000 with a 4000+ requirement and losing weight. Most likely you were overestimating your TDEE and now you are over estimating your intake.

    Too much green veg can make you fat- that's funny, incorrect and stupid . Now that should be removed!

    If I posted idiotic dangerous advice why hasn't it been removed as you say?

    I need to provide references but you don't! How do you figure that one out.

    Good luck- will go easy on the broccoli tomorrow !


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    #118
    desultory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭desultory


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Too much green veg can make you fat- that's funny, incorrect and stupid . Now that should be removed!

    If I posted idiotic dangerous advice why hasn't it been removed as you say?

    I need to provide references but you don't! How do you figure that one out.

    Good luck- will go easy on the broccoli tomorrow !

    It would be practically impossible to eat too much brocolli because of how little calories it has but if you did then yes, you would get fat.
    If you don't believe that then you have a gross misunderstanding of very basic nutrition.


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    #119
    Bruno26
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    desultory wrote: »
    It would be practically impossible to eat too much brocolli because of how little calories it has but if you did then yes, you would get fat.
    If you don't believe that then you have a gross misunderstanding of very basic nutrition.

    Thanks for reinforcing my point- it's not possible to get fat from green veg as it's impossible to overeat it. Pointless suggesting you can


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    #120
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    If the only exercise you have done is walking and golf I take it you have pretty much zero muscle mass? if this is the case then 13 stone at 6 foot 1 isn't exactly lean.


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    #121
    desultory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭desultory


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Thanks for reinforcing my point- it's not possible to get fat from green veg as it's impossible to overeat it. Pointless suggesting you can

    You're missing the point altogether.
    It is possible to get fat from eating too much broccoli, if you could physically manage it, because you'd be going past your calorie output.

    Just as it is possible to get fat from eating too much of any of the foods you've mentioned.
    Just because sugar and grains aren't in the diet anymore doesn't give a free pass to the perfect body. You eat more calories than you put out and you'll gain weight, simple as.


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