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MUX 2 launch date ?

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  • #452
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    twinklerunner wrote: »
    Slightly off topic, I notice that 3E is now on Ch 5 & RTÉ News Now is on Ch 6 - from Kippure. They were the other way around previously.
    Have they switched on other transmitters too?

    Yes, network wide. Thread here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056686543.

    http://www.saorview.ie/news/saorview-rescan-requested-after-2pm-on-10th-july/


  • #453
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    This comment from Saorview over on their facebook page
    Kevin Gorman What's the new upgrades?
    5 hours ago.

    Saorview Hi Kevin. There are two reasons for the re-scan. Viewers receiving signal from Three Rock need to re-scan because of a channel change at the site. It's moving channels because it's no longer operating as a single frequency network with Kippure. The rest of the country need to re-scan because of a change in the channel line-up on the EPG.
    5 hours ago.

    Kevin Gorman Thanks for that, Any new channels gonna be added?
    5 hours ago.

    Saorview Not at the moment, although the second multiplex is ready for new channels, we expect there may be some announced early next year.
    5 hours

    http://www.facebook.com/saorview


  • #454
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Machinehead wrote: »
    RTÉ Gold similar to UK Gold but with a little doc slant like " Yesterday" would be of interest to quite a few people as is borne out by the popularity of Reeling in the Years. Could be a co - production using RTÉ & TV3 archive.
    A European news channel like France 24 or Euronews could be added, can't cost that much since RTÉ & TG4 already use them for night time fill in.
    The addition of some independent radio stations particularly the national ones would be nice.
    Wasn't this that something RTÉ were interested in, but were told they could only have a +1 for some stupid reason. Can't remember now, but I'm pretty sure that RTE hadn't planned on a RTE1 +1.


  • #455
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    byte wrote: »
    Wasn't this that something RTÉ were interested in, but were told they could only have a +1 for some stupid reason. Can't remember now, but I'm pretty sure that RTE hadn't planned on a RTE1 +1.

    The last day of the FF Government in Feb 2011 had (part-time) Minister Carey sign a SI to deny RTE their RTE 3 channel and also deny them any extra advertising revenue, as no advertising on the kid's channel and no extra for a +1 channel and no advertising on RTE NewsNow. So RTE went into a sulk and decided to ignore Saorview for a long while.

    I think TV3 may have been pleased with the result.


  • #456
    glimmerman123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭glimmerman123


    I asked on facebook if mux 2 would be switched on at the end of September if TG4 is going to show the ladies football final in HD and this is what Saorview posted back. Hi Sorry for the delay we were checking out the situation but there hasn't been any announcement about TG4 going HD in September and it's unlikely the second mux would be switched on for just one channel. Where will TG4 HD go if it's unlikely the second mux won't be switched on?


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  • #457
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Maybe RTE2 could go SD for a few hours?

    Scrap the cap!



  • #458
    glimmerman123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭glimmerman123


    It will be interesting to see what happens come September but as far as i know mux1 is full and i don't think they can squeeze anymore channels on there let alone TG4 HD.


  • #459
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    glimmerman123 wrote: »
    I asked on facebook if mux 2 would be switched on at the end of September if TG4 is going to show the ladies football final in HD and this is what Saorview posted back. Hi Sorry for the delay we were checking out the situation but there hasn't been any announcement about TG4 going HD in September and it's unlikely the second mux would be switched on for just one channel. Where will TG4 HD go if it's unlikely the second mux won't be switched on?

    Saw your comment over on facebook. So where will TG4 HD go if not on Mux 2? The only place I think of is UPC and/or Sky until Mux 2 is launched maybe early next year.

    With less than 3 months to possible launch of TG4-HD I'm surprised we haven't had the Broadcasting Act required Public Value Test and Sectoral Impact Assessment as we had for RTÉ2 HD and the new RTÉ channels. This from a Dáil reply last March
    ... Should TG4 be amongst these successful applicants, section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009 requires that, as a public service broadcasting corporation, a Public Value Test shall be carried out on any new services proposed by them. As part of this process, I am required, as Minister, to consult with the BAI as to the sectoral impact of any such proposals. This Sectoral Impact Assessment is undertaken by the BAI in accordance with the provisions of section 100 of the Broadcasting Act 2009.

    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/27/00273.asp#N2


  • #460
    dowtchaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭dowtchaboy


    Not that I'd be interested in it much, but perhaps a channel serving our largest minority language would be useful? I presume there's some Polish equivalent to BBC World/Deutsche Welle/etc?


  • #461
    pa990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    dowtchaboy wrote: »
    Not that I'd be interested in it much, but perhaps a channel serving our largest minority language would be useful? I presume there's some Polish equivalent to BBC World/Deutsche Welle/etc?

    euronews with a second audio track in polish !!


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  • #462
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    pa990 wrote: »
    euronews with a second audio track in polish !!

    Brilliant idea :)
    Euronews is available from Astra with 10 different languages already for them to relay. It would compliment the times they have it on RTÉ1, RTÉ2 and TG4 at the same time.:rolleyes:


  • #463
    jamescc
    Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭jamescc


    saw this and i think that it might explain alot:
    #

    http://cce.gno.ie/ent/2012/07July/10TG4HD.php


  • #464
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Great stuff.
    So yet again commercial (UPC) services are being favoured over the general audience.
    First they get Dáil TV and now TG4 HD. What minister owns UPC these days or should that be what minister is owned by UPC?
    ;)


  • #465
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This is completely unacceptable for a licence fee funded channel :mad:

    Scrap the cap!



  • #466
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    RTENL/Soarview are making it up as they go.


  • #467
    FreshCoffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭FreshCoffee


    It's really a scandal. TG4 is mostly funded by the taxpayer. This funding has paid for everything TG4 needs to go HD.

    The second saorview multiplex is now ready for new channels but this taxpayer-funded HD channel will initially be provided only to a commercial service to profit from and denied to taxpayers via the 'free' saorview service.


  • #468
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    UPC are making an attack on Free-To-Air and Sky. They want to see more services on UPC and some exclusive ones to UPC as a Pay Provider, while also making it look like they care, hence the arrival of OTV and IMO TG4HD.

    I'd say that TG4 aren't paying to be on UPC as a HD channel, while a HD service on Soarview costs money. This is the same for Oireachtas TV. In my opinion. TG4's on demand service is due to be placed on UPC shortly.

    As point out before there is the major issue that any service from TG4 is not FTA, because it receives public funding.

    But what has not been point out is the fact that RTÉ had to go through a public consultation from the department and a Sectoral Impact Analysis from the BAI before being granted any new services, including RTÉ Two HD, the same applies to TG4. Neither have been carried out for TG4's suggested new services: -

    Just to quote the Minister on this: -
    Should TG4 be amongst these successful applicants, section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009 requires that, as a public service broadcasting corporation, a Public Value Test shall be carried out on any new services proposed by them. As part of this process, I am required, as Minister, to consult with the BAI as to the sectoral impact of any such proposals. This Sectoral Impact Assessment is undertaken by the BAI in accordance with the provisions of section 100 of the Broadcasting Act 2009.

    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/27/00273.asp


  • #469
    twinklerunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭twinklerunner


    Elmo wrote: »
    UPC are making an attack on Free-To-Air and Sky. They want to see more services on UPC and some exclusive ones to UPC as a Pay Provider, while also making it look like they care, hence the arrival of OTV and IMO TG4HD.

    UPC have been advertising recently on Dublin Buses stating 'Watch Formula 1 For Free on UPC', I kid you not


  • #470
    Marath
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Marath


    If UPC think that getting TG4 HD makes their tv service superior to Sky, they are sadly mistaken. UPC's broadband service via fibre is way ahead of anyone else, but nobody can touch Sky's tv service for picture quality, channel choice, HD content, the simplicity of Sky+, remote record, Sky Go, etc etc. It's expensive, but like everything else in this world, you get what you pay for, and by the way, as soon as Sky decide that TG4 HD is worth having, they will get it.


  • #471
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Marath wrote: »
    If UPC think that getting TG4 HD makes their tv service superior to Sky, they are sadly mistaken. UPC's broadband service via fibre is way ahead of anyone else, but nobody can touch Sky's tv service for picture quality, channel choice, HD content, the simplicity of Sky+, remote record, Sky Go, etc etc. It's expensive, but like everything else in this world, you get what you pay for, and by the way, as soon as Sky decide that TG4 HD is worth having, they will get it.

    Just watch TV3HD appear on UPC only. UPC have started Remote Record and their On Demand service is something that I don't think Sky can provide. In fairness to them they are bring more and more to their customers, they are just slow at doing it.

    I was saying that Setanta HD is on UPC for a reason.

    Pay TV needs a new model and they have yet to see it, Pay TV light needs to be introduced, an awful lot of pay TV channels that aren't much better then FTA channels, as you say you get what you pay for.


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  • #472
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    MUX2 was supposed to launch this year (September 2012 IIRC) and we were expecting the prime driver to be RTE1 HD.

    TV3 have not been forthcoming on any plans that I am aware of...not that they produce anything in HD that I know of and only rebroadcast other HD originated content, primarily ITV sourced material.

    TG4 is the smallest channel and would be constrained by RTE1 and TV3 plans. In the end the prime driver for MUX2 will be those two channels.

    Until one of them jumps, MUX2 will not be required.


  • #473
    Johnny Johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Johnny Johnson


    Outrageous if this is true. Does anybody know of a contact address for the minister?

    Elmo wrote: »
    UPC have started Remote Record and their On Demand service is something that I don't think Sky can provide.

    Remote record has existed on Sky for a long time now while they have an On Demand service in the UK. It is only a matter of time before it is available here.


  • #474
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Is it not a bit ironic that a channel tailored for Gaeltacht communities is being carried in HD exclusively on a cable service where those who would most want to receive it cannot do so? Are there any cabled Gaeltacht areas?


  • #475
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Heh, good point!

    Don't think there are any cabled Gaeltacht areas. I doubt even MMDS would be available to them.


  • #476
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Karsini wrote: »
    Is it not a bit ironic that a channel tailored for Gaeltacht communities is being carried in HD exclusively on a cable service where those who would most want to receive it cannot do so? Are there any cabled Gaeltacht areas?
    It's the old story, they don't give a toss about rural communities as long as Dublin is happy.:mad:


  • #477
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    It's the old story, they don't give a toss about rural communities as long as Dublin is happy.:mad:

    Galway, Waterford, Limerick and Cork also :)

    Saorview should have been tested in the West of the country first not the East IMO.


  • #478
    Marath
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Marath


    Elmo wrote: »
    Just watch TV3HD appear on UPC only. UPC have started Remote Record and their On Demand service is something that I don't think Sky can provide. In fairness to them they are bring more and more to their customers, they are just slow at doing it.

    I was saying that Setanta HD is on UPC for a reason.

    Pay TV needs a new model and they have yet to see it, Pay TV light needs to be introduced, an awful lot of pay TV channels that aren't much better then FTA channels, as you say you get what you pay for.

    Agree with you, UPC are now probably improving their service at a faster rate than Sky, if Sky don't do something fast about adding the likes of RTE Player and a proper on demand service, they could fall behind. However to be fair to Sky, they are hampered in this area because of the appalling broadband service in rural Ireland , where a huge amount of their customers are based. As for TV3 HD, they can go where they want, because if you can get ITV 1 HD, then it will be the same thing. TV3 HD if it ever happens, will consist of the HD content they will acquire from all the ITV shows that they re transmit.


  • #479
    glimmerman123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭glimmerman123


    So at the moment TG4 are going to push ahead with their HD plans. To be honest i don't blame them and if they are waiting for mux2 to be switched on it looks like they will be waiting a long time. Maybe when ASO happens in October we might here something on new channels launching on mux2.


  • #480
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    UPC is the worst service for availability. It is only available in cabled areas in our major cities. Sky is the best followed by Saorview. Afaik they don't carry HD signals on MMDS.


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  • #481
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    UPC is the worst service for availability. It is only available in cabled areas in our major cities. Sky is the best followed by Saorview. Afaik they don't carry HD signals on MMDS.

    I never really understood why they want to brand MMDS as UPC. They should have kept the Chorus brand for MMDS areas IMO.

    Would satellite broadband not help both Sky and UPC MMDS in rural areas?


  • #482
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Elmo wrote: »
    Would satellite broadband not help both Sky and UPC MMDS in rural areas?

    No, Satellite BB is shíte and only suitable for places like the west coast of Inishvickillaune. The largest satellite up there ( by far) is Ka Sat. Ka Sat can only deliver the capacity of a small rural exchange on the aggregate. :(


  • #483
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    UPC is the worst service for availability. It is only available in cabled areas in our major cities. Sky is the best followed by Saorview.

    Saorview & Saorsat would have better coverage than Sky. Officially 98% of population can get Saorview with a standard roof aerial, that figure will go up with large boosted aerials etc. and there's the Saorsat option as well. The Ka-Sat 9°E (Saorsat) satellite appears higher above the horizon than Astra 28.2°E (which Freesat & Sky use) so the chance of it being obstructed by trees/buildings etc is less.

    But most people in this country still think that satellite TV = paying money to Sky :rolleyes:

    Scrap the cap!



  • #484
    MarkK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭MarkK


    ninja900 wrote: »
    This is completely unacceptable for a licence fee funded channel :mad:

    I don't agree.
    The alternatives would be:

    1. To launch Mux 2 just to carry a few of hours of HD content a week, which would be a further waste of licence payer money.

    2. Despite TG4 upgrading their systems to HD, they refuse to allow UPC access to HD pictures because Mux 2 is not ready yet.


  • #485
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    MarkK wrote: »
    I don't agree.
    The alternatives would be:

    1. To launch Mux 2 just to carry a few of hours of HD content a week, which would be a further waste of licence payer money.

    2. Despite TG4 upgrading their systems to HD, they refuse to allow UPC access to HD pictures because Mux 2 is not ready yet.

    1. Launch MUX 2 with an up-scaled TG4 HD BÓG as was the case with RTÉ Two and put up Community TV and some non-RTÉ radio stations.
    2. Despite upgrading their systems to HD ready for broadcast TG4 failed to approach the Department.

    Does anyone believe that anyone in the department has heard the news that TG4 is going to start some broadcasts in HD? I doubt it, and if you ask about it they will say that such a service is a commercial issue for UPC and TG4, even though it clearly is not. Or in the words of Fr. Jack "That would be an Ecumenical matter".


  • #486
    MarkK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭MarkK


    Elmo wrote: »
    1. Launch MUX 2 with an up-scaled TG4 HD BÓG as was the case with RTÉ Two and put up Community TV and some non-RTÉ radio stations.
    That wasn't the case for RTÉ Two, Mux One was already there.
    Elmo wrote: »
    2. Despite upgrading their systems to HD ready for broadcast TG4 failed to approach the Department.
    "approach the Department" for what?

    The situation with HD is the same as when the went to 16:9 widescreen.
    it isn't really a new service, it's just an existing service migrating to HD.

    And similarly 16:9 anamorphic widescreen for all the Irish PSBs was initially available only on pay platforms.

    In Northern Ireland, UTV HD is only available on pay TV.


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  • #487
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    MarkK wrote: »
    That wasn't the case for RTÉ Two, Mux One was already there.

    "approach the Department" for what?

    The situation with HD is the same as when the went to 16:9 widescreen.
    it isn't really a new service, it's just an existing service migrating to HD.

    And similarly 16:9 anamorphic widescreen for all the Irish PSBs was initially available only on pay platforms.

    In Northern Ireland, UTV HD is only available on pay TV.

    RTÉ had to approach the department for all proposed channels including RTÉ TWO HD and we all made your point at the time that RTÉ TWO HD was no more than RTÉ going colour or as you suggest going widescreen. But TV3 found time to come up with reasons as to why RTÉ TWO HD should not be allowed :rolleyes:

    If it where the case RTÉ One HD could go on to MUX 2 with TG4.

    MUX 1
    RTÉ ONE HD
    RTÉ TWO HD
    TV3
    3E

    MUX 2
    TG4 HD
    RTÉ ONE +1
    Community TV
    RTÉ News Now

    UTV is not a publicly owned PSB, however I suspect they will aim for FreeView.


  • #488
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Elmo wrote: »
    RTÉ had to approach the department for all proposed channels including RTÉ TWO HD and we all made your point at the time that RTÉ TWO HD was no more than RTÉ going colour or as you suggest going widescreen. But TV3 found time to come up with reasons as to why RTÉ TWO HD should not be allowed :rolleyes:

    If it where the case RTÉ One HD could go on to MUX 2 with TG4.

    MUX 1
    RTÉ ONE HD
    RTÉ TWO HD
    TV3
    3E

    MUX 2
    TG4 HD
    RTÉ ONE +1
    Community TV
    RTÉ News Now

    UTV is not a publicly owned PSB, however I suspect they will aim for FreeView.

    What would make more sense would be:
    MUX 1
    RTÉ ONE HD
    RTÉ TWO HD
    RTE 1+1
    RTE News Now

    MUX 2
    TG4 HD
    TV3 HD
    OTV/Community TV
    3e

    So Mux1 becomes RTE Mux, and Mux2 becomes Com Mux.

    It makes more sense that way.


  • #489
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    What would make more sense would be:
    MUX 1
    RTÉ ONE HD
    RTÉ TWO HD
    RTE 1+1
    RTE News Now

    MUX 2
    TG4 HD
    TV3 HD
    OTV/Community TV
    3e

    So Mux1 becomes RTE Mux, and Mux2 becomes Com Mux.

    It makes more sense that way.

    Don't call it com mux as they have been made available yet.

    BAI Mux perhaps.

    Anyway you get my drift.


  • #490
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The Home and Away Muxes :D


  • #491
    marclt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭marclt


    Getting a strong signal here on Ch39.... but no channels being broadcast. I assume this is from Mt Leinster. Anyone else able to confirm?


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  • #492
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Getting something on 39 varying wildly. The guys have been messing with Mt L all w/end and since early today.


  • #493
    marclt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭marclt


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    Getting something on 39 varying wildly. The guys have been messing with Mt L all w/end and since early today.

    It must be coming from Mt. L - steady signal here. Weather conditions are flat so can't be anything to do with a lift. No channels or network credentials being broadcast. Why would RTE even need to test on Ch39, when they are moving frequency?


  • #494
    lawhec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭lawhec


    Could be Preseli - one of their multiplexes is due to move to E39 in the autumn and it's possible they're firing it up to check for coverage issues before the suspension of non-essential engineering work during the Olympics & Paralympics. Makes no sense for RTÉNL to fire it up from Mt. Leinster unless there is some urgent need prior to ASO on 24/10. If it is a 'blank' multiplex I'd guess it's the former as if RTÉNL fire up mux 2 it tends to carry test cards at least.


  • #495
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    What would make more sense would be:
    MUX 1
    RTÉ ONE HD
    RTÉ TWO HD
    RTE 1+1
    RTE News Now

    MUX 2
    TG4 HD
    TV3 HD
    OTV/Community TV
    3e

    So Mux1 becomes RTE Mux, and Mux2 becomes Com Mux.

    It makes more sense that way.

    The reason it wasn't done this way was that Mux 1 was on the optimised frequencies. TG4 are not commercial station.
    marclt wrote: »
    It must be coming from Mt. L - steady signal here. Weather conditions are flat so can't be anything to do with a lift. No channels or network credentials being broadcast. Why would RTE even need to test on Ch39, when they are moving frequency?

    There is mux carrier on Ch 39 and it is from Mt Leinster. No Services are being broadcast.


  • #496
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    STB wrote: »
    The reason it wasn't done this way was that Mux 1 was on the optimised frequencies.

    We are talking about when Mux 2 comes online. TG4 softly announce HD on UPC, and everyone questions when is Mux 2 start up full time.

    When Mux 2 starts up will it be due to the addition of HD channels over any new channels? I would have thought so.

    Where do RTÉ One HD, TV3HD and TG4HD go on Saorview?


  • #497
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Elmo wrote: »
    We are talking about when Mux 2 comes online. TG4 softly announce HD on UPC, and everyone questions when is Mux 2 start up full time.

    When Mux 2 starts up will it be due to the addition of HD channels over any new channels? I would have thought so.

    Where do RTÉ One HD, TV3HD and TG4HD go on Saorview?

    ?

    I would be very surprised if TG4 launched on UPC before being on Saorview. Tg4HD can ONLY be requested as a must carry service when it is available. It is not available now. It will be available from 30/9.

    And despite what MarkK thinks a HD service does constitute a new service and does require ministerial consent. The same as it did for RTE2HD.

    When the Minister asked for new content submissions a while back the plans for Mux 2 kicked in when stations identified that they would be moving to HD.

    Yes you are right there will be no SD simulcasts on Saorview.

    Mux 1 will not carry all the RTE stations.


  • #498
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    STB wrote: »
    The reason it wasn't done this way was that Mux 1 was on the optimised frequencies. TG4 are not commercial station.



    I did not think there was a hirearchy in muxes. If we have four HD channels, the two per mux is the way to go. If we have two HD channels on a mux, there is room for three SD channels. RTE are getting two HD and three SD channels, which neatly fills mux one. TV3HD and TG4HD then go on mux two, along with 3e and OTV/Film/Community/Access.

    OTV is already on UPC, so all we need is the Film channel, long prommised.


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    The Cush
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    I think one reason for the possible delay in launching the second mux is how will the capacity be charged for, the cost of the operation of the mux split between the services that use it or per the actual capacity used.

    This came up in the BAI report on possible new channels last year and in a recent Dáil reply we know the DTT Mux Tariff issue isn't sorted yet.


  • #500
    Elmo
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    The Cush wrote: »
    I think one reason for the possible delay in launching the second mux is how will the capacity be charged for, the cost of the operation of the mux split between the services that use it or per the actual capacity used.

    This came up in the BAI report on possible new channels last year and in a recent Dáil reply we know the DTT Mux Tariff issue isn't sorted yet.

    I doubt there has been any real discussions surrounding the cost of appearing on Soarview.

    Community TV are off the opinion that they should be given free access, I agree with this as they are mainly a voluntary organisation, such cost then needs to be spread across all other channels on the muxs.

    AFAIK the BAI report was return to the BAI for further analysis and it has not yet been returned to the minister for a decision. (IMO back pedaling by the department).

    Oireahtas TV are also of the view that they should be available free on the second mux, as according to them the licence fee pays for it and it should be given free access as OTV is a public channel, this suggests that AerLingus* should not have to pay fees to the DAA as both are state owned :rolleyes:

    IFB Channel is a lost cause forget it, it won't happen, they fail to talk to anyone outside the IFB, really they just want the sound and vision fund to themselves, without the bother of the broadcasters.

    Meanwhile UPC will tell TV3 and TG4 they can go HD on the UPC cable platform for free, and both will hope the knock on effect is that they will appear on Sky, forget free HD.

    Dusty Rhoads said something interesting at the launch of his radio mux to the Sunday Business post. What we have are large companies with huge rivalry unwilling to talk to each other in the private sector, non of whom what to talk to RTÉ.

    From the Sunday Business Post: -
    He said that he believed that DAB could only be established by an independent 3rd party in Ireland at the moment.

    " You have groups of enemies in ownership positions in Irish radio at the moment", he said, "They're not interested in dealing with each other and they're not interested in dealing with RTÉ"



    *yes yes I know AerLingus is only partly owned by the state.


  • #501
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Elmo wrote: »
    I doubt there has been any real discussions surrounding the cost of appearing on Soarview.

    Inital Comreg analysis on DTT tariffs submitted to the Dept in June, next step is to consult with broadcasters.


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