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Becoming a Real Runner

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    3.7 miles @9:10 round the leafy suburbs of Parkwest, Ballyfermot and Cherry Orchard :rolleyes:. Man It was hot out there!!
    Run felt fine, but the Garmin is still showing a highish HR. Either the HRM strp is fooked again or I am still not recovered. The marathon on Saturday with a tipp top would be tough in that heat.

    WTD: 4 Runs 20.2 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|16/21|119.6
    Total|91/111|835


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I was actually going to get in touch with you. Planning on doing 5 x 1k reps @5k pace next thursday and was thinking of the marlay loop. What time would suit you best. Can you make 5:45pm?

    Perfect.
    Regarding the high HR, in hot weather you can expect to see an increase of up to 7bpm according to Pfitzinger


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Woddle wrote: »
    Perfect.
    Regarding the high HR, in hot weather you can expect to see an increase of up to 7bpm according to Pfitzinger

    Nice one, 7 beats lower would make it exactly what it should be, also might explain yesterdays 184 readings. The only other time I ever hit 184 was when I puked all over the finish line babanas and drinks in the Parkwest 10k last July, I swear I didn't feel that bad yesterday :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭Oisin11178


    Dont worry you will be grand on saturday. Is it hot out these days but put it out of your mind:D
    BTW what we doing on saturday 7.30 a mile?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Max temperatures for Saturday are forecast to be 13-16C. That's not too warm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Oisin11178 wrote: »
    Dont worry you will be grand on saturday. Is it hot out these days but put it out of your mind:D
    BTW what we doing on saturday 7.30 a mile?

    No way man, Sub 3 :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Met up with Chinguetti, brian, RQ and Mr Slow. We did about 4 miles before Mr slows VO2 max session (5 x 1k). Myself and Brian did these with Mr Slow at about 6:50 av Pace. This is too slow for Mr Slow as he wasn't even breathing hard during the repeats.

    The group got together for another 4 miles at the end so
    10.3 miles. Legs felt really slow and sluggish today and I wasn't feeling great. I know that was due to mostly Hangover and heat but I am starting to question my idea od doing 2 tough interval sessions a week, especially with all the marathon pacing I'll be doing at the weekends. I may have to reduce myself to just 1 interval and one tempo session per week.

    WTD: 5 Runs 30.5 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|17/22|129.9
    Total|92/112|845.3


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    I have it in the breathing but do I have it in the legs?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    mrslow wrote: »
    I have it in the breathing but do I have it in the legs?:rolleyes:

    If you have it in the breathing you have it in the legs.
    Over that kind of distance, your legs only go because you can't get enough power to them, because you can't get the air in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    RayCun wrote: »
    If you have it in the breathing you have it in the legs.
    Over that kind of distance, your legs only go because you can't get enough power to them, because you can't get the air in.

    I should have put '...' instead of a '?' and referenced the Donore 5k;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Saturday: The Marathon was postponed since Eddies Funeral was on Saturday. Drove with RQ and RK to Tipp for the funeral and then onto Tyrone Via Dublin again in the Afternoon.

    Sunday A large 3 course sunday dinner was followed by a 2hr Drive to Longford where myself and Oisin were staying with Aimman and his Partner. Another large 3 course was consumed as well as a few cans and off to bed around midnight for a few Hours sleep.

    Monday Up at 5am and left the house at 6am for the 1.5 hour drive to Salthill. Pretty werecked and a dodgy stomach from yesterdays double dinners. A group of about 25 had gathered to run a Marathon in tribute to Eddie. Pat O'keefe provided us with Tipp Jerseys and I believe the story was covered on Morning Ireland. Here was us all before the gun:
    223170_10150281663304478_706009477_9483534_4634940_n.jpg

    A lot of the crowd ditched the jersey after a lap or two but I wore mine the whole way as it wasn't overly warm. The plan was 9 minute miles in preparation for 4hr pacing in Limerick next weekend. The course was a 4 lap loop from Glaway to Salthill along the promenade on Mostly concrete paths (tough on the old joints). The first few laps were fine but the last 2 was a matter of dodging the public along the Busy public footpaths. Still for €20 the race was great and covered a complimentary buffet lunch, and free showers afterwards, it puts many a race to shame. For anyone interested in running casual marathons, check out the West of Ireland Marathon Seeries

    The race itself was pretty uneventful, It was alll pretty comfotable and even paced. I went the first 9 miles with Oisin and Mithril but had a toilet break in a local cafe after a stomach cramp (I blame yesterdays dinners :p) and lost about a minute. I pegged it to catch up but despite 2 miles in the low 8's I wasn't getting any closer- the boys had obviously decided to speed up in my absence. At 11 miles I fell in with Hot to Trot and ran the next 15 with her. We were near the back at this stage but overtook about half the field in the next 15 by not slowing down. With a few miles to go we realised HTT's PB (3:57) was in range so put down the clappers to finish in 3:55:33.
    Well done HTT!

    WTD: 1 Run 26.2 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|18/25|129.9
    Total|93/115|871.5[/QUOTE]


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    As I said on RQ's log, it was a lovely tribute to your friend, well done!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Tonights plan was to meet a group at UCD track for 400m repeats. I was never really going to do much speedwork myself but had been expecting 3 people targetting a sub 50 minute 10k, so I had planned to coach them round a few 400m reps at 7 min/mile.

    Anyways none of the 3 turned up* due to varying excuses so it was just me and Brian, we decided that a nice little recovery run would be more in order given yesterdays marathon. So we did a few laps of the pitches, then a few laps of the track.

    5.8 miles @ just under 9 min/mile. HR 135. After 2 weeks of being about 10bpm too high, the HR seems to have come back to normal. Maybe running marathons are the perfect recovery tool :confused:


    *Claralara eventually turned up 45 minutes late in what must have been her 5th different vehicle of the week. One wonder how big the Lara Family fleet of cars is? :P

    WTD: 2 Runs 32 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|19/26|135.7
    Total|94/116|877.3


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    menoscemo wrote: »
    5.8 miles @ just under 9 min/mile. HR 135. After 2 weeks of being about 10bpm too high, the HR seems to have come back to normal.

    There's a temp drop out there too horse!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    mrslow wrote: »
    There's a temp drop out there too horse!

    I guess that could be the reason but it was 21c in Barcelona and my Average HR out there for 26.2 @ 7:44 a mile is lower than some of my short recover runs recently (9 min+mile).


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 clareman07


    great turnout yesterday for Eddie, the jersey we signed is going to Eddies brother Thomas, we will give it to him at the Kildare marathon,
    Pat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    clareman07 wrote: »
    great turnout yesterday for Eddie, the jersey we signed is going to Eddies brother Thomas, we will give it to him at the Kildare marathon,
    Pat

    Thanks, can you send them on this video as well. there 's a nice tribute to Eddie at the end
    http://vimeo.com/22797764?ab


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    sorry I missed last night, got messed about in work :(

    Will deffo make it next week


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Wasn't intending to run tonight. I went into Base2Race after work to Buy a 'stick' and saw a guy trying on a pair of Saucony Kinvara's. Due to RQ's bad influence I had been thinking about trying a pair of these myself and you guessed it, half an hour later I left the shop with the new Kinvaras as well as the stick.

    Had to try them tonight so went out for a little run:

    3.2 miles @ 8.07 pace. Shoes feel nice and light, somewhere between lun ar glides and racers. I can see myself using them for faster tempos and intervals and leaving the racers for races only...

    WTD: 3 Runs 35.2 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|20/27|138.9
    Total|95/117|880.5


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    I get the blame for feckin' everything. :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Wasn't intending to run tonight. I went into Base2Race after work to Buy a 'stick'

    There was two left when I was in there earlier, don't tell me you bought the blue one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    mrslow wrote: »
    There was two left when I was in there earlier, don't tell me you bought the blue one?

    I think I may have. There was only one out and I grabbed it before having a look at the shoes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I think I may have. There was only one out and I grabbed it before having a look at the shoes.

    They're both good but the red one is shorter and it's easier to pinpoint pressure, they'll swap it out for you I'm sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    mrslow wrote: »
    They're both good but the red one is shorter and it's easier to pinpoint pressure, they'll swap it out for you I'm sure.

    Both Brian and the Shop guy told me the blue one was the shorter one :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭mithril


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Tonights plan was to meet a group at UCD track for 400m repeats. I was never really going to do much speedwork myself but had been expecting 3 people targetting a sub 50 minute 10k, so I had planned to coach them round a few 400m reps at 7 min/mile.

    Anyways none of the 3 turned up* due to varying excuses so it was just me and Brian, we decided that a nice little recovery run would be more in order given yesterdays marathon. So we did a few laps of the pitches, then a few laps of the track.

    I was there as well around 7:45 but the sole of my feet got a terrible battering on that concrete in Salthill and even a running track was too hard. Moved to grass after a few minutes and I coped OK with that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Both Brian and the Shop guy told me the blue one was the shorter one :confused:

    I showed you the red one yesterday and said it was the shorter one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    On Sunday, there was a long discussion about this in the Papal Cross car park.

    Mr S had the red one and Digger had the blue. Red is for the legs and blue for the back as we all had a go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I showed you the red one yesterday and said it was the shorter one

    Oh really? Anyways, it was the only one they had so I grabbed it. Then I got distracted by the shoes :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    chinguetti wrote: »
    On Sunday, there was a long discussion about this in the Papal Cross car park.

    Mr S had the red one and Digger had the blue. Red is for the legs and blue for the back as we all had a go.

    Well the blue one seemed to do a good enough job on my calfs this evening so I am happy enough,and given that I often get a bit of back pin, it is probably best for me.

    Anyways bro enough of your lurking on everyone else's log. when are you gonna get your own? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    mithril wrote: »
    I was there as well around 7:45 but the sole of my feet got a terrible battering on that concrete in Salthill and even a running track was too hard. Moved to grass after a few minutes and I coped OK with that.

    I wasn't talking about you. Yeah, the muscles seem a bit frayed from the concrete but I'm not too bad. We were gone before 7:30 so we wouldn' have seen you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    .

    Anyways bro enough of your lurking on everyone else's log. when are you gonna get your own? :pac:

    I tried to convince him to start one the other day in the car but he was having none of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    I tried to convince him to start one the other day in the car but he was having none of it.

    He's gonna write a book instead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭claralara


    mrslow wrote: »
    He's gonna write a book instead.

    I presume you and meno will do the reading and pass on the pearls!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    claralara wrote: »
    I presume you and meno will do the reading and pass on the pearls!

    I believe Digger is the one with pearls on offer :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Sorry fans, i won't be opening a log of my running adventures. I've written a book (really i have and i coloured it in too!) and thats enough.

    Anyway i'm going for the 'man of mystery' thing on yer logs. What point is someone doing a log with no garmin, ye all talk in code about laps and splits and stuff.

    I just run and time it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    chinguetti wrote: »
    I just run and time it.

    Even old man Digger has a Garmin M!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    chinguetti wrote: »
    On Sunday, there was a long discussion about this in the Papal Cross car park.

    Mr S had the red one and Digger had the blue. Red is for the legs and blue for the back as we all had a go.

    You were playing with mrslows and diggers sticks?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I wasn't able for speed work on Tuesday so this was always going to my only speed session of the week. met up with Woddle at his house and jogged up to Marlay Park to the 1k loop by the house.
    The plan was 5 x 1k loops @ goal 5k pace with 2-3 minutes rest. Goal pace is 3:48 per lap.

    The splits were:
    3:38
    3:42 (171 av, 182 max)
    3:43 (171 av, 180 max)
    3:45 (171 av, 182 max)
    3:45 (171 av, 182 max)

    Really pleased with this. Despite the usual desires to quit after 3, it was actually more comfortable, faster and a lower HR than the 6 x 800's last week. I can already see the benefits of a few speed sessions.

    Total for the day: 6.4 miles

    WTD: 4 Runs 41.6 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|21/28|145.5
    Total|96/118|886.9


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    mrslow wrote: »
    Even old man Digger has a Garmin M!

    Tis a wind up clock and he's not that old, is he?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Really pleased with this. Despite the usual desires to quit after 3, it was actually more comfortable, faster and a lower HR than the 6 x 800's last week.


    Hello? What about puking, not having the energy to spit and tears? Do as I say but not as I do, I see!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    mrslow wrote: »
    Hello? What about puking, not having the energy to spit and tears? Do as I say but not as I do, I see!

    I had a fair bit of sick in my mouth at the end of every rep horse ;)

    The 2nd last rep, I was doubled over after for at least a minute.

    As I say, i noticed they were a fair bit more comfortable than last week :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I had a fair bit of sick in my mouth at the end of every rep horse ;)

    Yummy, were there lumps?
    menoscemo wrote: »
    The 2nd last rep, I was doubled over after for at least a minute.

    Only a minute, c'mon man stop slacking :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Tis a wind up clock and he's not that old, is he?


    Met him for coffee the other day and there was a definite scent of liver salts in the air! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    There were two purposes to this run. A nice recovery run after yesterdays 1k reps and to get me up to 150 miles for the month. This is by far the lowest mileage month of the year despite an ultra and a marathon in there. Hope to get back to 200 mile months in May.

    4.7 miles
    @ 9:05 pace (HR 136). This doubled up perfectly as a Pacing paced run for Sunday. My legs are feeling great, so much better than this time last week. I'd say it's in no small part down to the fact I've been getting loads of sleep. Really looking forward to Sundays pacing job in Limerick now.

    WTD: 5 Runs 46.3 miles

    Despite the lack of mileage This month, with sundays marathon this is going to be my longest mileage week ever.

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/29|150.2
    Total|97/119|891.6


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I got down to Limerick With Aimman and RQ on saturday afternon and after doing a 2 hour stint on the pacers stand we went off for a meeting and then a bite to eat with the other pacers. We decided it would be no harm to have a few drinks with and after dinner. Anyways, at about 11pm and after about 5 beers I placed the first of a few bets that night with Brianderunner. He was pacing the half to 1:40 and me the full to 4hrs. we both decided on a goal time (1:39:30 for him and 3:59:20 for me) and bet on who would get closest :pac:

    I didn't sleep too well that night with the noise in the hotel from the travellers wedding, but that was no big deal as I never do the night before a race. Got up, had a bit of breakfast and we were up at the start line by 8:20 to stick on balloons and have a chat with the runners.
    The race itself went grand. Myself and Kandikane had a nice little group of about 25 running with us and it looked like we would get most of them home. when we reached mile 20 there was a hill and one of the local runners assured us it was the last one of the course :rolleyes: so we encouraged the group up the last hill nice and slowly, ensuring them it was all flat from there. Unfortunately there were two more biggish hills (at Thomond park Mile 22 and the Gaelic Grounds Mile 24) so the pacees must have been cursing us for lying. We lost about half the group on mile 22 and the rest on the last hill. We did manage to pick up some stragglers however and bring them on to Sub 4 finishes. As I was going up the finish straight I realised I had some seconds to spare so turned, running backwards and then slowed to walk, all the while shouting encouragement to the people finishing behind. Carefully I crossed the line just as my watch told me was the right moment:

    26.3 miles in 3:59:21. The official result is 3:59:20 :pac: Brain was delighted to show me his stopwatch when he crossed the line (1:39:32 by the watch- his official time is 1:39:34) but I was more then happy to give him the bad news- unlucky son, nice try :p

    A great night was had by all afterwards as usual. Metmaorphosis, Brain, RQ, Xebec, Aimman, Lacheile, Oisin, Kandikane myself and a few others made our best efforts at drinking the whole city dry:pac:

    Weekly total: WTD: 6 Runs 72.6 miles
    Longest ever mileage week and I'm supposed to be doing 5k training :rolleyes:

    Monday 2nd May
    3.2 miles recovery jog along the canal. Legs (and head) fel fine. I should be good for speedwork tomorrow

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|2/2|29.5
    Total|99/122|921.1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Met up with Aimman, Vaggabond, Digger, Perkina, Claralara and RK at UCD for tonights session. We were all doing 400's at different paces and different amount of reps. The session went great today. I had been worried I had lost all speed when I did this a fortnight ago. Then it went:
    menoscemo wrote: »
    Anyway splits (max HR) were: 83 (178) 84 (181), 86 (180), 87 (180) 88 (180) 88 (180).

    Tonight the splits (max HR) were: 79 (170), 83 (176), 82 (180), 81 (179), 81 (179), 82 (178), 80 (179).
    Not only were the intervals much faster, the Max HR is quite a bit lower. I had to hold myself back on the first two as I was going close to 5 min/mile pace for the first 250m. All the Av paces are faster than 5:30. The last rep has actually the fastest/mile pace (5:16) despite being a bit slower than the first- I had to run a bit wider to pass a few people.

    Really delighted with the session overall.

    Total for the day: 4.1 miles

    WTD: 2 runs 7.3 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|3/3|33.6
    Total|100/123|925.2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Good man on that session. Must just remember to follow you in the Donore 5k and get that PB:D

    You doing the Leixlip 5?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Good man on that session. Must just remember to follow you in the Donore 5k and get that PB:D

    You doing the Leixlip 5?

    Nope. Thinking of not racing at all until the Donore race, though the lure of the sportsworld 5 miler might be too much.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    You not racing for a month? Next you'll tell me that you off the drink for a month:)

    Technically as you are pacing in Wexford you are racing so 3 weeks, are you mad


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Next you'll tell me that you off the drink for a month:)

    I'll let you know the next time I stay off the drink for a day :p


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