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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Quags


    I find it hard how people can defend this stuff, maybe they are to far into it now to admit they've being duped I don't know. Just how far are you willing to let this thing go before you start to fight back and ask why this is happening and not just agreeing with it, people who say "ah sure this doesn't affect me" regarding covid passports will be affected down the line by something else & by then it may already be to late



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    As always things are done little by little and by the time people start to take notice its too late. There are still people out there calling for schools to be closed and when asked why, they all give the answer they are not safe. When you ask not safe for who, usually you are met with silence. Do people get off on this sort of stuff or something? Why are people looking to deny kids an education? About the only thing this government did right was keeping the schools open that is not saying they should have used the summer to install the filters required in the schools. Maybe if they invested in the money that they have done in all those poxy ads and other crap into filters for schools it would give the hypochondriacs less to shout about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    They all went from “hoax” to “greatest idea ever” overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭choronzonix


    It was utterly farcical the day it happened and, in hindsight, is possibly one of the most moronic episodes in this whole idiotic saga (which is saying something).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    A better question they should ask is "tell us why we shouldn't just follow the CDC isolation guidelines?" and have them back up their decision with actual data.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Quags


    Exactly. for example look at the price of alcohol that's going up, people seem more fussed about this than some of the restrictions imposed. I think if the Gov or whoever had this idea came out and said all the money we are making is going back into the system to help with addiction etc then maybe people could see a benefit but nobody knows where it will go and if asked will be met with silence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,980 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I dunno.. I think the recent "thanks for staying home" and "RSVP" radio ads are right up there on the chart of moronic condescending nonsense!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Yep and in reality there probably cutting the back off the person missing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,667 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    He is like the typical 'senior manager' these days.

    No decision unless it's a committee decision. That way no one has any responsibility and if it goes wrong its no one's fault. Or rather everyone's fault but sure what can we do, we all saw it that way at the time and anyway we cant sack everyone. Bingo.

    Its a decision maker's disease thats been going around for some time now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭choronzonix


    Well I remember seeing the stilted 'pods' of young people, not allowed even have a drink, standing socially distanced from each other. Even thinking about it gives me the cringe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,745 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Raind popping in to insult everybody because he has nothing left to offer, still true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    On the last point. Have a look who Ursula von der Leyen is married to. Surely susceptible to conflict of interest, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭Blut2


    When Tony Holohan was asked about this in Ireland didn't he claim the figure here was 5%? And NPHET have refused to release the actual data to back this up since, for some reason.

    Theres no way that 40-45% of covid cases in the UK are actually presenting with broken legs etc and just testing positive for covid incidentally, and the figure here is 1/10th of that. We have the same disease, and same national demographics. Our figure must be in or around 40% roughly too.

    Effectively halving the number of covid patients in hospital wouldn't look good for the government line of "we need to stay locked down because of covid to protect the hospitals" though I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,300 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Who is she married to?

    (No prizes for anyone saying her husband!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Married to this lad from Heiko Echter von der Leyen and since is Medical Director of the US biotech company Orgenesis.

    Now that could be wrong, it is the internet after all. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool



    Let's do a quick fire round (there would be 10x as much if all the craziness you posted was also being included ;)), but most of those were discussed long before the loons thought it was an attempt to take over the world, but anyway:

    Vaccinated can spread COVID - Known about from the trials, published with the data, 95% was against severe disease, this is now 90% for Delta, Omicron TBA, effectiveness against infection was ~60% (less for AZ and Janssen), this still held up under Delta and data looks good for Omicron post booster

    Vaccinated susceptible to variants - known about even when the vaccines were being developed, vaccines have stood up better than expected against variants leading to a Delta specific vaccine being dropped (for now at least), mRNA advantage was a quick turn around if variants escaped, hasn't happened yet

    COVID Vaccines can cause blood clots - Most issues came about due to the mass rollout of vaccines and are extremely extremely rare and in all cases the risk from the disease itself was greater, was it a conspiracy that vaccines would have side effects when all previous vaccines also have very rare side effects?

    3rd & 4th/New Shots - Annual boosters were being talked about even before the vaccines were released

    Segregation of society - Vaccine\Immunity passports were being talked about weeks after the pandemic started

    Camps for the unvaccinated - ??

    Unvaccinated unable to work - This wasn't expected, came about due to the Delta variant and herd immunity not being reached, who's behind the conspiracy here?

    Harder to access medical care for unvaccinated - Not in Ireland at the least, Singapore make the unvaccinated pay for any COVID related treatment, is any country denying treatment yet? (apart from the US, but that's mostly GOP driven and lack of public health facilities)

    Secret Contracts between Governments and Pfizer - What are the details here? Anything to do with COVID vaccines? Were AZ, Novavax, Sinovac/pharm, Janssen and Moderna involved as well?


    It's a fun image, but there's a lot wrong on it and still doesn't have an explanation for the conspiracy behind it, maybe you want to add something about that? Or just make a smart remake and run away like a baby chicken, thought so :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Medical director of a company specialised in biotech and genetics including covid vaccine development.

    She as president of the EU commission is extremely influential in determining how many and how often we need vaccines to 'keep' our freedoms. Before anyone has a go at me saying I'm a CT lizard people guy - there is surely a huge potential for conflict of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Vaccinated can spread COVID - Known about from the trials, published with the data

    What trials? What manufacturers published this data? You maintained the opposite stance all through 2021 on this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    We’re at the point where even suggesting there may be conflicts of interests or corruption in political institutions is a conspiracy theory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,135 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Here is the pfizer ceo claiming that their trials showed that the vaccine was 100% effective at stopping transmission. Didn't happen though and no one ever said they would stop cases 🙄




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    100% effictive I'll believe it when I see it. The lies and contradictions are abusive at this stage. I don't normally chat about covid. But who's fooling who ???

    I'm double vaccinated, and haven't had covid yet, but most people I know who are boosted caught it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Reduction of transmission still means it can spread floorpie, as the vaccines reduced the severity of the symptoms, it followed that transmission would be reduced and it did leaving R at about 1 for Ireland with most opened up (and the high R of Omicron means more transmission still but still a reduction among the vaccinated as much as the unvaxxed won't admit that's the case using anecdotes).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,667 ✭✭✭brickster69


    When you think about it. If the vaccines were 100% effective against catching covid then they must of been 100% effective against severe disease and dying from it. I mean, how are you going to die from it if you can't be infected by it ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭floorpie


    You're answering a question I didn't ask.

    You said it was known about from the trials that vaccinated people can spread COVID-19, and that manufacturers published this data. What trials assessed this, and what manufacturers published this data?

    You should be ashamed in my opinion to post your last two posts, after your behaviour the last year in these threads. I can link to dozens or hundreds of abusive messages from you that state the exact opposite to what you're now saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That's what they saw in the trial of 800 participants, it doesn't go into whether asymptomatic cases were checked for, the age of the participants and the length of time from vaccination (which to get those results would mean it was relatively soon after vaccination due to the waning seen after 10-12 weeks). Are you saying the trial data was faked? Because it doesn't look like that was the case, infectiousness post vaccination (booster or 2nd dose) is still very low.

    As floorpie is at pains to point out, initial trials were tracking severity of disease and prevention of deaths and that's where the high % figures came (and still come) from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭floorpie


    There have been many shoddy claims arising from trials. I'm thinking particularly of the claims of 100% effectiveness against death (e.g., Fauci mentioning this: ‘No hospitalisations and no deaths’: All three US vaccines ‘highly efficacious’, Fauci says | The Independent).

    The truth is that almost nobody died during trials from COVID-19, vaccinated or placebo. So placebo was also 100% effective against death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Usual floorpie, now getting the content of posts completely wrong :) Is there anything you can't misread at this stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    Always a smart arse answer. Would do anything rather than call a spade a spade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Was that trial data faked? That's what is being implied by some posters.

    The transmission rates clearly don't hold out as the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes, but that isn't a smoking gun tweet even if some posters wish it were. Effectiveness against mild COVID in the initial published trials was about 60%, effectiveness against infection wasn't ascertained as they weren't testing for that (it was more an outcome of the reduction of severity of the symptoms).

    But look, an image worth of conspiracies and the only one being chatted about is transmission, anything else on there that really was a conspiracy/hoax ?



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