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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,413 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Worldwide, they know people will go nuts if they find out that it is milder, and that it'll go down quickly. So I think they are keeping quiet. Also, there is limited data on how many hospitalisations you'll get from old people; there aren't as many in that part of the world.

    But it is looking reasonable so far.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,249 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Jesus - our modelling is better than the "experts"!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,908 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If we are seeing general hospital numbers increase now, ICU numbers won't increase for the next 2 weeks. Lag effect of about 2 weeks between the 4 figures of cases, hospitals, ICU, Deaths



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,908 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm way more conservative than NPHET... At least I was until recently, the 16.5k cases today is probably representative of the last 4 days of bank holidays

    I'll openly admit I'm guessing as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Also, the fact that it's mild in SA even with low vaccination rates makes the urgent "need" and push for vaccine mandates and passports that we're seeing across Europe even more irrelevant and pointless. Can't be having that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm curious, is there a link to actual case numbers in SA over the past few weeks 🤔, whilst it's been understood this variant highly contagious but I don't recall anything like the numbers being reported in say, France, UK and now Ireland being reported in SA 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Especially when everyone was locked down for Christmas and New Year by not following the real world data. I mean some countries never even opened in Summer when they could of, yet they decided to open going into Winter. Not a great look really is it ?

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭Archeron


    I'll hazard a guess that if the number is significant, Rte will traipse across the globe to find some country somewhere that is being overwhelmed and report it as a headline. We'll hear words like carnage and collapsing systems.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,249 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Its all in here.



    Lot of data to go through but last week they only tested 232,000 out of a population of 59 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,209 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    We're never getting out of this



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The second tweet in a few days from Holohan trying to get retail shut down. He knows exactly what he is going. Just like the South Anne Street incidents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Wouldn't bet on it until next Tuesday when RTE's news room re opens, the entire staff seem to be on holidays 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Given the unprecedented numbers of late, isn't it a sure thing that Holohan will recommend further, additional restrictions?

    I just cannot see how Holohan wouldn't, given his track record at trying to prevent mass transmission.

    Nothing will be said about the reduced severity of Omicron, of course, but let's leave that inconvenient fact to one side maybe?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I don't know. His message today seemed to be putting the responsibility on people more than usual



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Paradoxically, if Holohan were to advocate such a move, it would likely prolong the epidemic in Ireland rather than hasten its end.

    Given the amazing transmissibility of this variant coupled with its (up to) 66% reduction in hospitalisation, Omicron should serve as a natural panacea that sees us emerge from the pandemic via herd immunity. This is what happened in the Spanish flu pandemic a century ago, when a far more transmissible but significantly less severe variant emerged that saw the end of the pandemic.

    Mother nature has a way of finishing the job in a way that Tony Holohan could only dream of coming up with.

    Let nature take its course, be cautious and sensible in the meantime, and eliminate all extant restrictions shortly thereafter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    The Brits have the right approach. Let it rip through society and achieve herd immunity. I'll probably be lambasted for this. But I always felt we would be a better country if ruled by the Brits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm confused, people for ages wanted to be allowed some personal responsibility and now they have it, when they get reminded by the CMO to take personal responsibility they take it as the CMO wants a lockdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,240 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    So do you think people would forget their personal responsibilities without another adult consistently reminding them via twitter?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    People are ignoring him and carrying on with life, they have had enough of his chatter, and won't bother RSVPing the crowd in a pub or shop, I know I wouldn't assess the situation in a pub unless it was so bad that you couldn't get a fag paper between people, but I'd have done that in normal times anyway because I don't like a crowd and hate standing.

    When he sees that he's being ignored, he'll just go crying to Mehole and have additional restrictions brought in that way.

    Post edited by DLink on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,594 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That’s exactly what wants. He’s so unsophisticated and vacant that those kind of “measures” are all his ilk can dream up. He has ZERO other ideas like all other medicocrat pen pushers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not sure if CMO wants a lockdown but whatever is being considered, I've genuinely seen people being cautious, definitely a reduction of people out shopping and out and about generally over the past week and still these extraordinary numbers.

    It's really hard to believe this variant only mentioned less than a month ago ,I may be mistaken but not even the original variants spread as quickly albeit back at the start of this it was a total lockdown which slowed original spread (i dread another lockdown but don't believeit will happen ), hospitality will get an extended kicking I suspect.

    There seems to be an impression this surge will peak quickly, I'm just not sure , whispers already circulating school reopening will be delayed 😳

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,751 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭brickster69


    From the sound of that tweet i would be dropping everything and be rushing off straight down the pub now to know 5 or 6 pints into me ASAP.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ^ knock

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I think that's been his message for weeks now 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And just one thing, why do news outlets - such as TheJournal.ie and others - resort to inserting his and NPHETs face into all article items related to COVID-19 cases and so forth; and it's always a worried look as if the Black Death is upon us.

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    In the UK, they never have daily close-up pictures of Professor Chris Witty and Sir Patrick Vallance.

    They don't do it in Italy, Spain, France, Germany, and pretty much everywhere else.

    Why is this significant?

    Because if NPHET are reminded daily of their own sense of importance, almost more than the Taoiseach, it's of no surprise that we see these kinds of ego power-trips from Holohan and such like. People who have their face always in the media become addicted to it.

    It's way too much.

    If Michael Martin had any self-respect as Taoiseach, he'd do more to be seen as the man in control of the Irish response to the pandemic and restrictions and so forth, rather than allowing all the power and attention flow to an unelected, bloated body called NPHET.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,301 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    MM can’t decide which jacks to use without sending it off to consultants for feedback to protect his own political neck, so don’t expect him to do anything without his NPHET crutch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I agree but a lot of it is probably down to media laziness or perhaps they know the CMO's or indeed Philip Nolans face gets a reaction. It's long forgotten that for twice a week for almost 15 months NPHET's briefings got enormous coverage.

    Gov tried to gag NPHET and that's abundantly clear, however Leo and MM realised they needed political cover for any decisions they ultimately made so within a week, the Leo, Tony & MM love triangle commenced. In essence they all need each other and it's a Farce in reality.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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