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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,873 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Any inkling as to how he caught it? If he caught it off you (or off anybody else he was meant to be spending Christmas with) ye might as well all spend an infected Christmas together.

    Get some antigens done for yourselves maybe, anybody else who tests positive should be safe to join him

    The alternative is join him for Christmas dinner regardless and isolate for 10 days afterwards as a presumed close contact



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,213 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Why are they "warning" that? Surely this is exactly how we want this to go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Yeah, that was based on those who had already been infected by another strain who subsequently became infected with omicron. As you say, not yet peer reviewed and I would assume that that becoming infected with omicron would give some protection from further infection from omicron. Still, not good news for those who assumed that by getting infected by one strain would provide immunity against new strains. If that report does prove to be correct it shows little or no protection from this strain due to being previously infected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,732 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    What does "do the right thing" even mean here?

    Are you actually doing anything, achieving anything? Or are you just a slave to the rules?

    A bunch of healthy people not meeting each other, because...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,873 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah and yet the boosters, which are vaccines based on the first known variant, provide a good protection from omicron



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    How come RTÉ etc don’t report on Covid deaths anymore, only cases? Its almost as if the bigger number (cases, deaths) is the only one that matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Not bad for a vaccine that was not designed to combat delta let alone omicron. It doesn`t add too the argument of those that say they are useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭amandstu



    "Italy makes outdoor mask wearing compulsory"


    Could this happen here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,648 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    only reporting weekly numbers since the hack, for some reason



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    I hope not. And I’m pretty sure outdoor transmission is pretty impossible based on that study that came out during the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    We used to get a daily death count (when it was scary), that has 55 in the past week. It’s propaganda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    He said they model the number they’re told to model and he re-asserted that when challenged.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    So unfortunately a parent of a poster tests positive and one other poster suggests going anyway and isolating afterwards, another seems to act with disgust with the OP 'doing the right thing' and not having dinner with their parent.

    I know that this thread has become vitriolic towards the restrictions, NPHET and all things Tony, but it's just degrading into batshit crazy at this stage. Criticise the restrictions all you like, but you're not the one who will live with the consequences if the OP does go and gets ill afterwards. And don't give me BS about percentage of serious illness being so small etc., you know nothing of the OP's circumstance or any other pertinent medical history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,873 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I mean to the letter of the law nobody should be meeting up with infected family members on Christmas day, I fully accept that

    I also fully accept that if an elderly member of my family came down with it today I'd certainly offer to be there for him or her on Christmas Day and I'd be perfectly happy to spend the suggested 10 days in isolation so the spread would not go any further! Furthermore if I was infected already what's the point in avoiding an infected person?

    I'm not an idiot who will willingly go off and spread the virus, nor am I somebody who assumes I'll get a mild cold from it but I'll make such a weighted decision on balance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    Have to say as I am back in the US for the first time in 2 years and what a world of difference there is to ireland.

    im in trump land if you want to get your bearings.

    no masks, no social distancing, no restrictions. It literally is like pre 2020.

    and to make it worse, I’ve made the local numbers similar to ireland, (I’m in an area with population of 2 million, so not some farmland in the middle of nowhere)

    65 pct vaccinated here (vs I think we’re on 95% now)

    1500 cases a day on average (this is 1-1 with ireland so against 6500)

    hospitals aren’t full / overflowing (besides what the media says; almost like their lying to us). Both my parents over the last two years needed what would be called elective procedures (non urgent) done and there was no issue / delay in accommodating them.

    there have been 85 Covid deaths for the full month.

    icu beds extrapolated up would be 1200, but they have never had more than 30% utilised during the last 2 years.

    honestly the restrictions are a joke in ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Jimi H


    This guy and John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter are brilliant if you’re looking for detailed analysis. It seems that more time is needed to see what happens with Delta - Co-existence or displacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Dr Fred


    You’ve little to be bothering you or experienced little hardship if you’re able to display such a flaccid attitude



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Spend Christmas with your dad. Might have to pause for thought if you were infected and he wasn’t. Presumably you have no severe underlying conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    This might help to get a sense of your own risk

    Personally everything I have done has been to protect my parents from this. There is no way I would stay away from them if they were sick, let alone an asymptomatic positive. I would just take care who I was around afterwards, and test myself. Enjoy Christmas!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭darconio


    For me is absolutely crazy that perfectly healthy vaccinated people need to get tested to meet perfectly healthy vaccinated relatives just in case they could transmit a cold... The new normal they call it...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 mortis43


    Thanks everyone for the guidance and support, it’s really appreciated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    If, as it looks from early data, it transpires omicron isn't the big bad variant Nphet claim it is, I suspect there will be many people who will be looking back on their behaviour over Christmas 2021 with bewilderment and wondering what they were actually thinking/doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,978 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    This, 100% this!

    Covid has, as it turned out, never been a significant risk to the vast majority of people in this country. This latest variant (as the reports are increasingly indicating) is even less risk again and now represents most cases in the country per the news this morning (but of course, Tony is concerned!).

    The idea of healthy adults having to isolate themselves from relatives over Christmas (some of whom may be struggling to with isolation and loneliness themselves) because of NPHET and media scaremongering is frankly scandalous at this point.

    How long before the penny drops among the general public and the politicians that the public health excuse is now to protect against a mild case of the sniffles, and how long before they remember that prior to 2020, this would have rightly been considered as farcical?

    I'm sure if NPHET and the HSE have their way it'll be the middle of next year before they "allow" people out from under the bed so the spotlight doesn't turn to the question of what we've gotten for the massive amount of money spent over the last 18 months!


    ANYWAY...

    I hope that everyone on this thread has a great Christmas, acts sensibly but practically and steps away from the media and fear (and even this subforum) for a few days at least.

    I'm off to wrap presents and get ready for my own Santa trip tonight 😊

    Have a good one folks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Is it the right thing to do for your family is the question.

    It sounds like your dad and the rest of your family want to meet up, so asses your own risk and if you think you are all vaxed and safe then meet up.

    Nphet are not going away are you going to stay away next year if it happens again because restrictions will be here next Christmas.

    All I know is if this was my family we would be enjoying Christmas Dinner together.

    But do what you think is best for you and your family and best of luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    50-70% less chance of hospital admittance with omicron according to figures coming out of the UK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,550 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Yep, time for people to start acting like grown-ups. Assess your own situation, make your own decisions and stop outsourcing your critical thinking to 'de man on de telly'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    What are we doing here? It’s madness. Protect the health system so beds are available for the sick and vulnerable - all for it but this is an example of the cure being worse than the disease;

    If someone at end of life in one of four counties needs palliative care they will die at home without the resources to ease their passing, or die in hospital with no option to go home.

    We’ve gone badly wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Omg wtaf, this is the worst thing I have read during this pandemic. Being sent home to die with possibly no support services.

    Absolutely no dignity at end of life in this country. Not enough hospices. If they decide to stay in hospital to die, their family probably can’t visit due to covid.

    If hospitals need to clear terminally I’ll patients from hospitals, they should be able to use private hospitals to give people some dignity and peace.

    We accept too much crap in this country without causing a fuss.



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