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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I was grand after my first 2 shots, other than the achy arm. But I was wrecked after the 3rd shot with tiredness for about 24 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭floorpie


    So according to this, in Oct/Nov the breakdown of ICU cases is 50:50 vaccinated:unvaccinated, and outbreaks are primarily occurring in: residential care for people with mental health issues/homeless/children/people with disabilities; schools; Traveller community; Roma community; workplaces that employ migrants. In this context I think it's a very bad look for the media etc to demonise the unvaccinated, if it's primarily the most vulnerable people in society that they're talking down to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Yeah that's good news too tbh given that the person was vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Fantastic twitter thread here about everything we know so far about the 'Nu' variant and what impact if any it's likely to have on the vaccines. Well worth a read.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭The Silver Branch


    That's the optimistic takeaway. It's hared to deduce much from a survey sample of 1. Optimism is great, but optimism for the sake of it is nonsense.

    The key takeaway is the variant is in Europe. What it will prove to be like, with regards to vaccinated people, how transmissible, the percentage who will be very ill, will take weeks to know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Steady on.

    Vaccinated people get Covid with the variants we have now, every variant is a 'vaccine evading variant'.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭The Silver Branch




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Yes, more news about these T Cells and memory cells. Look like they have a big part to play with these new variants.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Exactly too early to say. Could be really bad news or not. Tweets from people who don't have the facts in hand are pure guess work akin to some of the fly by night virus experts here.



  • Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its so interesting how we are all differently impacted. I was really sick after dose 1 of AZ, less so after dose 2, and now tired and sore after Pfizer booster.

    I wonder what it says about our immune systems. I've looked it up but all I can find is that varying responses are no indication of anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Yup exactly, this thing could be going undetected for a while, we just don't know. If it's already spread far and wide then it may not be as bad as has been made out in the last 24hrs. It's a wait and see game on that front



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Pfizer confirm they can issue a new vaccine within 100 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Which is why I detest the hysterics whipped up by national media, lots of headlines, lots of quotes from 'experts' . At the end of the day nobody has a bloody clue which way it goes, it's all guesswork, but you'd swear it's all concreate information and that the sky is falling in etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭AdrianG08


    Yeah but good look convincing people to go get another vaccine. And then another with the next variant of concern.

    Ive a feeling this one will be more transmissible but there will be very few severely ill with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    They should just ignore it Stephen, that'll make it go away for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Great attempt at sarcasm. Who says ignore it ? Report on it, but be accurate, it's ok to say 'we don't know' . Not these headlines of super variant, 500% more transmissible, more vaccine resistant , that's just causing panic amongst some people when none of that is actually known at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    I don't see anyone panicking. I went for a walk at lunch break and people just going about their business, no windows put in, no over turned car etc...

    I'll keep an eye out for the panic on the way home in an hour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Doomsday variant found in Belgium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    And everyone who takes that specific vaccine gets a very special covid cert, which gets you into very posh places.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Travel restrictions to be announced later and will be immediate. Does that mean home quarantine for all travellers into the country along with vaccinated and pcr tests for everyone regardless of where you traveled from i wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Germany now running out of ICU beds as minister for health says situation is now worse than at any time since the pandemic started.

    Awful to hear this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Flow Motion


    That groundhog day feeling is probably one of the more unwanted symptoms of this whole shebang; pre Xmas 2020 a Kent offshoot, then Delta flew by and now a S/African mutation to add to the mix.... seems like this is gonna run for a bit yet.... years probably.... stop/start... jab/jab.... booster.... masks et al. We'll probably be informed shortly that our current fourth wave has its basis in this SA variant. Any wonder why large swathes of Europe are clocking up record case numbers @ present? Sure the Pharma's can reformulate the jab mix but as OP's have pointed out it would be months before it enters our blood system via a needle. We need to have a <global> approach if we are to supress this beast IMO as these type of variants will keep popping up in the most underdeveloped & unvaccinated countries. Tis like all those horror films sooner or later a "variant of concern" might arrive and outrun us all. Isnt this what the scientists were worried about all along? For a virus to survive it keeps replicating and mutating. 19+ months into this hellhole and mutations are still happening? The SA version has 10 receptor mutations compared to Deltas 2 (cf. bbc news). But science will have the final verdict on how dangerous this SA version might be to us all (vaccinated or unvaccinated) one its examined by the lab boffins over the next few days. Suppose @ least the EU is slightly quicker of the mark re. stopping flights etc. but that Belgian case detected earlier may mean its had the opportunity to spread across Europe already. Hopefully not. And fingers, toes, knees crossed our present vaccines provide some level of protection. Oh for a time machine to take us all back to Christmas 2019 b.c. please!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Will need to go through trials if it has been modified surely?

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Still too early to say if the variant is good news or bad news, but pre emotive action in regards to flight restrictions is a good idea for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    They can skip the bulk of the testing since they won't be changing 99% of what's actually in the vaccine. They'll primarily test the efficacy, and that's all that's required.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can see this descending into chaos in 2022.

    Less people are likely to take a booster than the original vaccine. Then with the new variant we might need another vaccine which even less will likely take.

    Governments will probably panic and do what they can to force it while adding more and more restrictions.

    Countries running out of money to lockdown and pay supports.

    We might see a lot of unrest break out around the world. Probably not too much here but other parts of Europe etc.

    What Leo said about a lost decade is starting to look more likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭The Silver Branch


    Of course they'd say that, first out of the blocks to make billions more profit. They over exaggerated the efficacy of there product this time last year.

    Plus there's the whole idea of a new variant a year with a new vax for it. Some people will have 30 Covid vaccines by the time they're 50. It can't be good for the immune system.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, it absolutely won’t mean that. That would be utterly ridiculous



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    They'll be willing to extend the use of the covid cert alright, but the masks in primary schools thing might be shelved until after Xmas. By the time they actually meet to discuss these recommendations it'll be next week, so the earliest the recommendation would come into force would be the 6th December, at which stage there are only two weeks left in school. It'd be chaotic.



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