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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭Russman


    You should probably try living under real tyranny for a while to see what its like. Its hardly the Paul Pot regime now is it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    You need never get to Pol Pot if people have the courage of their convictions further back on the path.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    "You Jews should try living under REAL tyranny for a while - count your lucky stars you arent being raided by Genghis Khan!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The same sentence then can't be compatible with the rest, if we can still fully vaccinated spread it just as easily as those that are not vaccinated then this will always be a losing battle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭Russman


    OK, where do you draw the line with rules and laws then ? Is any law prohibiting something a bad thing ? or just ones we disagree with ? Should we have a free for all ? Obviously we probably shouldn't, but an elected parliament passing temporary rules during a worldwide emergency can hardly be described as tyranny. Incorrect rules or needless perhaps, but its not tyranny.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    So you object to drivers licences, passports, seat belt mandates, closing times in pubs, bans on indoor smoking, general laws and public order measures? Gotcha.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is the goal now, we should be happy we don't live under a 5 year plan???.

    This talk about the unvaccinated is unreal, from the GOVT that brought hate speech legislation eh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    If you can see it replacing the older vaccine passport then perhaps it was intentional that expiry dates and entries for multiple vaccines were included? Updates are always possible.

    For what reasons the pass will be mandated will be down to governments - maybe just for international travel but the tool is there and some governments are already abusing it and it certainly feels we are being primed to accept it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,176 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Lockdown is looking very ominous now

    Reid alway out with the crying signals from the HSE

    Reset button will mean Lockdown for 4 weeks for NPHET

    It's cruel living here atm, **** shocking carry on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It certainly is good to verify your information

    So my argument is that of the 50 states on the continent of Europe 4 states does not represent a majority... A majority is normally represented by 50%+1 which in the case of Europe, a majority would be 26. So that is well and truly checked and verified

    The website you linked shows a lovely map of Europe in which 16 countries are labeled as green, with bars and clubs open to unvaccinated goers. Interestingly this includes the UK, of which which Scotland who have vax-passes, and NI whose clubs don't open until the 31st of October. Ireland is curiously yellow on the same map (bars and nightclubs open with little restrictions)

    Including the 16 green and 5 yellow we are now at 21 countries, still nowhere near a majority

    As you correctly say, it is good to verify your information



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    2nd time this morning the Holocaust has been held in comparison to the vaccine certs, I really do wonder what goes through the heads of some of you people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭bloopy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    That's how freedom dies though, one step at a time. Showing "ze papers" will become the norm. I'm fully vaccinated but i will be refusing to show any covid pass to enter a pub or restaurant and under no circumstances will i be disclosing my vaccination status to my employer.

    The "slippery slope" phrase is often overused in general but never has it been more apt then now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    A loss of liberty without having committed a crime that justifies that loss, is certainly on the road to tyranny at least. If covid was a fraction as bad as you people make out, you'd have a point, but we know very clearly by now that it's not.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    10 years of mediation wouldn't change the fact that our government is rotten to the core; by being both corrupt and incompetent. If people are angry, they are completely justified in being so, as they've been treated like idiots by their supposed representatives.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    4 million people have died worldwide with it despite us having some of the most stringent public health measures in history and an ability to conteract this disease which was unprescendented. It's fairly bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    They aren't angry enough that's the problem. We are a very docile passive population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You have a weird mixture of conspiracy theory and open questions baked into that post.

    Vaccine passports have been around forever, they were paper based and required to travel to some countries, anyone making a COVID pass app will be including that functionality from the start without there being anything nefarious about it. What governments do with it is separate, but this has always been around, just not in digital form (usually).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Victim complex, "I'm being asked if I've taken a vaccine, I'm just as discriminated against as <insert genocidal historical event>".

    It's the slippery slope argument where people start at the very beginning but can't describe the slope or why someone is implementing the measures for some nefarious purpose without revealing themselves to be a loon (great reset, you'll own nothing, worldwide dictatorship, charles schwab), but they insist that whatever measure is the start of it (and usually include the Orwell quote about no one being around to help you because we went from vaccine certs to death camps in 5 steps).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    There won't be any lockdown, that is a fact - what level of compliance do you think they would get given the vaccination rates? I have a feeling it's going to get a lot harder though for all the "enlightened" people who purposefully avoided the vaccine though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I don't think you really want me to write a dissertation on my life philosophy. Suffice to say, while most people have been happily (or unhappily) following the restrictions put in place, some human beings in this country have spent extensive periods of time locked in cages for flouting poorly-designed, reactionary government diktats during this period.

    If you don't see that as an insanely authoritarian response to a disease with an average fatality age of 85 and an IFR <1% for people under 70, then we're just in very, very different places in regards to what constitutes authoritarian, and/or at what point along the path to tyranny it's worth making a nuisance of yourself about it.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Viral loads when infectious. Which is a a reduced rate with shorter recovery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Being angry doesn't provide solutions and once you have calmed down you have to figure out what to do. It's also pretty bad for your physical and mental health!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Describe "cages". Are you talking about arrests that occurred when people broke the law around restrictions and mask wearing?



  • Posts: 124 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And that at the start of covid the UK took out a large advertising contract for Covid until the end of 2023.

    People took it that there would be lockdowns until then, and not just forward planning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,807 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    "At least it's not as bad as a murderous dictatorship that killed millions of people is it?". Not sure that's the positive spin you think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    Do you not remember what it was like in our hospitals last January?!! I've worked in hospitals pre covid and while they were always mental, they were never full of people coming in with just respiratory illness. The covid wards went from pretty empty to full over 1-2 nights! I also was talking to a man in his early 40s who spent 9 days in hospital in February. While there he got a clot in his lungs from Covid (a pulmonary embolism which are often fatal if not detected quickly). While I know this is anecdotal evidence (which is granted more evidence than some presenters are posting, pulmonary Emboli dont just occur out of the blue in people in their 40s. To claim that Covid isnt that bad is pretty ill informed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    Most of the deaths were old people and many of them in nursing homes.


    Pretty bad for them alright, but for most of us getting that text saying "positive" its just been a non event.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This is my argument for why the nightclubs should open. Most of the people who suffer from covid19 won't be attending them. Most of the people attending them won't wind up in hospital with Covid19

    Most importantly those that go clubbing had their lives on hold in order to save the vulnerable and should be rewarded for it



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