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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    You're going to get people ending up in hospital who are vaccinated but immune compromised too. Unfortunately, for some people they're not able to mount an adequate immune response.

    It's why those numbers are meaningless in terms of vaccine performance too. You'd need to look at the overall population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,593 ✭✭✭✭leahyl




  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    so that's a break through case correct? apparently supposed to be extremely rare. was that person old did they say.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The problem with Covid is that there has been so much hysteria and Ireland has been so cautious that now people have completely unrealistic expectations.

    Before 2020, if there was 96 people in hospital with Flu, nobody would care. It wouldn't even be considered newsworthy.

    If there was lots of cases of Flu going around, there might be a small mention that there is a dose going around.

    We need to accept the fact that Covid is here now and it is not going away. All we can do is vaccinate people and slowly push it out of the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Has anyone had mail delayed this week?


    I have a package stuck in portlaoise for over a week. It went from Tipperary to Portlaoise on Monday 12. And it's still there.


    Makes me think they have the whole sorting office isolating or something.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    From resources standpoint perhaps. But the comms that are being put out are directly conflating Delta with hospitalisations, so it's important to many people that they know how many ARE due to covid. That's not unreasonable. If we were told there were 1000 people in hospital right now, and we could deduce that only 10 of them were there directly because of covid symptoms, I think we'd all be less worried than if we just got told 1000.

    And there's the thing. You can't blame people for suggesting the lack of data is to keep us worried, even if for the 'right' reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    There will always be break through cases as there is a part of the population that is unable to build an immunity to any virus and infection in their body. I think it is naturally 1 in 25000 person. Then you have all the people who are immunocompromised because of AIDS, cancer, organ transplants. In the USA it is estimated to be 3.6% of the population.

    So that is rare alright but expected and not specific to covid or to this vaccine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    "How many patients have symptoms and how many don't" is a matter for the research papers. For the here and now of managing a pandemic, it's a waste of energy.


    No, I don't agree. The volume of patients requiring treatment for covid symptoms is very important when trying to judge the impact of opening up things like schools, retail, pubs and restaurants. If 6 weeks from now we have 1000 people in hospital who are PCR positive the media will be screaming blue murder, ISAG on the 6.1 news waving shrouds and telling us 'We told you so', the teachers unions threatening to not go back in September and this is ok when ~80% of them are coincidental/asymptomatic and or acquired it in hospital?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Hang on whats the issue here? Gardai gave fines for people parking illegally all over the shop out near the beaches. Seems like a normal thing to do.

    Social Welfare fraud being tackled at checkpoints has always been something that happens. Given the numbers on PUP it is a prudent move, why would you have an issue with that? There is multiple levels of crime and some are easier to police than others. The Garda dont make legislation either btw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    He said over half of covid cases we're seeing in our hospitals are for non covid reasons. To me that doesn't sound like it's because of the outbreak in Mayo hospital (which he did mention separately). Sounded to me like a more generally 50% thing. I'm going to assume this is the case in all our hospitals until told otherwise but you can disagree if you want. ICU is another matter and again we don't know the breakdown for reasons there as they won't tell us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Covid has amped up the hysteria but there has always been a reactive nature to the news in Ireland. If you look at flu season in previous years, when there is a news article about trollies piling up from flu, there is a significant increase of people looking for vaccinations. Ask any GP or Pharmacist that.


    Covid is here to stay and there really needs to be a release from constant case numbers etc at some point. Older people put a lot of stock in news and fear being created is very unsettling.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    what should the nature of a response be if not reactive? when you're on the steps telling the nation 10 of thousands will die..

    The reason people get the Flu jab is precisely so they don't end up being stuck on a trolley in some shambles of a corridor, not really because they fear it's a deadly disease.


    I agree 100% on your last line though



  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The people being admitted to hospital could have had covid and recovered weeks ago.

    Seemingly its very difficult to get a negative PCR test even after you have quarantined for two weeks after a covid diagnosis. This is why young people who have travelled to the continent and got covid are travelling back through Belfast, they get a positive PCR and then keep doing antigen tests until they get a negative one. Many have booked flights both to Dublin and Belfast and once they get a negative antigen test they head home through Belfast.

    The antigen tests are free in Portugal except for the one you need to travel with, that costs twenty five euros.

    The Portuguese obviously dont think antigen tests are snake oil, neither do the Danes, they have pop up centres everywhere for free antigen testing, you dont even have to be a citizen. You get your antigen test which last three days and allows you to have a normal life, this has been the case since March, Denmarks cases are a lot loer than ours.

    Its absolute unreal here that we still cant sit down indoors and have a coffee, what the hell did we do since March to preare for a plan B when going on our risk averse environment we were extremely unlikely to open indoor dining.

    its utterly unacceptable that practically no one can get through to the helpline, its absymal service. I have been completely vaccinated since early June and I still dont have a vaccination certificate and I have spent at least two hours trying to ring that god forsaken help line.



  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jack Lambert who is an infectious disease expert said many of those in ICU with covid have been there for months.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    in the UK the numbers of deaths are read as follows.


    46 have died in the UK within 28 days of testing positive for Covid 19..

    that would be presumably for car crashes, suicides etc etc etc.. any yet if you make it look like a duck and sound like a duck..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    I thought they were worried that people might put potatoes and the like into the test and then be misled by the results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    In this article here, Jack Lambert of the Mater Hospital says some people have been there for months. Should they even be called Covid patients at that stage?

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/time-to-stop-scaremongering-on-covid-says-infectious-diseases-expert-40648752.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,289 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    The UK death rate with Covid is now 0.1% within 28 days of a positive tests. That's 1 chance in 1000.

    The average age of all cause death in the UK is 81.26 year. That's 976 months

    So the normal death rate for any reason is pretty much 0.1% per month.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭jams100


    When do u get covid-19 certificate?

    The second you receive your second dose or a week or two after that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Two days after your second dose for me. Technically, you're not fully vaccinated at that point (the cert does say the date of vaccination). I don't know if the date will be scanned in when you go dining or is having the certificate enough regardless of date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Its probably due to the effects of being ventilated. We don’t hear much in this country about what treatments are being given, a lot of countries are using blood oxygenating machines and trying everything to avoid ventilators. They damage the lungs badly, and there’s often knock on effects even organ failure.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohhh I've been officially raind in.... I need to go sit down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He also has a very big drum he likes to beat and is profoundly in love with the sound of his own voice. It's very doubtful that is true, certainly not in recent months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    We must have been nearly to single figures in icu with covid a month ago so there can't be that many who are in icu with covid for months.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The numbers in ICU have been very stubborn even when hospital numbers overall were very low.

    It actually makes perfect sense if there are several in there for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Several is not many! Paul Reid had some figures on ICU stays and it wasn't months.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    if you saw Luke O Neil making a fortune, wouldn't you bang your drum??. Grants have to be won, credibility has to be increased, arrogance in medicine and academia is not a new thing. same with TV and media, advertising and revenue has to be raised, remember RTE got a 50m bailout before this.

    they were on their arse screaming for a media LICENCE for anyone even using Laptops or phones for RTE.

    Government announces €50 million in extra funding for RTÉ over five years | Newstalk Now the HSE fund them indirectly as their largest advertiser...We're on in this together #holdfirm, so they need to carry tonys message. and finally, babies have to be kissed and saved by politicians, they have elections to win. it's not so much a conspiracy as a convergence of interests where science is ignored (antigen tests and fudging covid numbers) and the public are left to hold the bill and carry all the cost, socially, economically, psychologically and financially.



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  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jack Lambert who is an infectious disease expert said many of those in ICU with covid have been there for months.

    Jack Lambert has been very measured throughout the last twenty months.

    He would not make statements about ICU numbers without knowing the situation.

    As far as I know the HSE didnt deny what he said about ICU numbers.



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