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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

  • 13-10-2020 6:45pm
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    Beasty
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    Previous threads:

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    The daily numbers

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  • #2
    Beasty
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    And so onto some facts and figures

    In the 25 threads to date we've seen over 232,000 posts

    January and February were dominated by single threads in the CA Forum

    We saw off 10 threads in March, with the dedicated forum being set up in the second half of March

    The last thread lasted just over 8 days

    The forum has seen the following numbers of posts across all related topics
    March 61,111
    April 81,689
    May 48,151
    June 25,380
    July 35,567
    August 45,270
    September 40,782
    October, to date, over 24,500

    We've have over 800 threads, but when I add in all those that have been merged into others it's nearer 1,400

    So yes, Winter is coming and things are starting to ramp back up.....


  • #3
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    New thread time.

    Didn't the last one go pretty quickly.


  • #4
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Is a level 3 with secondary schools closed a possibility?


  • #5
    spookwoman
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    I'll post the numbers here in case people miss em on the old thread if ok.

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  • #6
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Is a level 3 with secondary schools closed a possibility?

    I suspect not


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  • #7
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭manniot2


    How is it anyone at all who seems to have a gaa party or the like appears to end up with mass covid. It must be everywhere! That or else the test is a load of bollox


  • #8
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Stheno wrote: »
    I suspect not

    Aye, they seem hell bent on keeping the schools open, not sure why. Surely closing schools is better than shutting all retail etc. and the associated economic cost at level 4!


  • #9
    Queried
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭Queried


    At the weekend I saw a friend of mine who was today told he was a close contact of a confirmed case. His last contact with the confirmed case was just before I saw him. He currently has no symptoms. Should he test positive, what are the chances of him having been contagious when I saw him later that day? Would anyone have any insight? Had a look myself online but couldn't find much information.


  • #10
    Stheno
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-811-more-cases-as-cavan-emerges-as-new-hotspot-1.4379802?mode=amp

    Just under 1800 of 8000 cases in the past fortnight were community transmission
    Of the almost 8,000 cases occurring in the past fortnight, half arose from close contact with a case but 1,763 were the result of community transmission,


  • #11
    Gods Gift
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    manniot2 wrote: »
    How is it anyone at all who seems to have a gaa party or the like appears to end up with mass covid. It must be everywhere! That or else the test is a load of bollox

    It is everywhere.like the doctor said. First case was in Feb I think. But 3 weeks previous someone died in cork hospital from covid.


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  • #12
    AlphaDelta1
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    Just heard of 3 confirmed cases in a retail shop in Dundrum. All staff.


  • #13
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,496 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    AlphaDelta1 wrote: »
    Just heard of 3 confirmed cases in a retail shop in Dundrum. All staff.

    Even with masks mandatory more cases now in retail shops
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  • #14
    Stheno
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Aye, they seem hell bent on keeping the schools open, not sure why. Surely closing schools is better than shutting all retail etc. and the associated economic cost at level 4!

    Goes against the narrative that schools are not a problem

    You'd wonder why playmates are though


  • #15
    Poorside
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    manniot2 wrote: »
    How is it anyone at all who seems to have a gaa party or the like appears to end up with mass covid. It must be everywhere! That or else the test is a load of bollox


    Take a minute there and think what people are being asked to do, and then think about what goes on at a post match piss up.


  • #16
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,176 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Now that 6 or 7 percent of us have had Covid shouldnt these people be allowed back in pubs and restaurants and football matches.

    If some of ye out there could invent an on the spot antibody test at the doors of these establishments and we can get some people back to normal and save jobs of families.

    I know people get reinforced but not too many (so far).


  • #17
    Poorside
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Even with masks mandatory more cases now in retail shops


    People going into shops a lot more and a lot of people may as well be wearing their mask on their foreheads.


  • #18
    Messi19
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    Seeing that covid loves to party and loves a county final can you just imagine how much it would have loved to be at that Ballyragget party last year


  • #19
    hotmail.com
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    Poorside wrote: »
    People going into shops a lot more and a lot of people may as well be wearing their mask on their foreheads.

    I've seen the tiny visors among staff I shops too.


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
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    manniot2 wrote: »
    How is it anyone at all who seems to have a gaa party or the like appears to end up with mass covid. It must be everywhere! That or else the test is a load of bollox

    When you think about it at the moment there has been about 10,000 cases confirmed in the last few weeks, those 10,000 cases have caused around 14,000 cases that have yet to be confirmed.

    Add in all the case that never get confirmed and there could easily be 25,000 active infections at the moment.

    So a 1 in 200 chance across the entire population. If 10 GAA clubs have celebrations with an average of only 50 people at each of them, it is likely there would be at least one actively infectious case amongst them. It's why large gatherings are unlikely for quite some time.


  • #21
    bb1234567
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    7 deaths up North today, bit of a jump. 150 in hospital and 23 in ICU there, I thought their hospital figures would be a lot worse than us considering their cases per capita are a lot higher but they're not doing roughly as well as us in terms of hospital numbers. What are we about 250 in hospital now?


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  • #22
    odyssey06
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    Poorside wrote: »
    People going into shops a lot more and a lot of people may as well be wearing their mask on their foreheads.

    The visors do nothing.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #23
    Funsterdelux
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    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The visors do nothing.

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  • #24
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    While In Ireland we have players playing GAA finals with Covid.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1316082940468756481


  • #25
    podgeandrodge
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    If we weren't all running around wearing masks, would it be much worse?


  • #26
    Poorside
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    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The visors do nothing.


    At the start people thought they were effective, the fact that's been proven wrong has yet to get into the general publics mindset.


  • #27
    Humberto Salazar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Even with masks mandatory more cases now in retail shops

    I see a lot of those visor things on staff rather than face masks, they are completely useless.


  • #28
    mcsean2163
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Dr Li Meng fled to the US where she presumably had no money. Trump took her in so presumably that's why she's with Bannon.

    If you expect a PhD virologist from Hong Kong to understand the difference between two politiical parties who are virtually the same but disagree over abortion.....

    My point is it's awful that she ended up with Bannon, that no media of note would work with her. Her mother has been arrested and her work reads well to a non expert like me. Others like Dr Gupta have been similarly sidelined.

    We're meant to be a democracy..... How is it democracy if Dr Li Meng is not given a voice?


  • #29
    odyssey06
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    If we weren't all running around wearing masks, would it be much worse?

    Its not when they are running around that worries me... but sat on a busy bus for 30 mins.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #30
    petes
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    mcsean2163 wrote: »
    Dr Li Meng fled to the US where she presumably had no money. Trump took her in so presumably that's why she's with Bannon.

    If you expect a PhD virologist from Hong Kong to understand the difference between two politiical parties who are virtually the same but disagree over abortion.....

    My point is it's awful that she ended up with Bannon, that no media of note would work with her. Her mother has been arrested and her work reads well to a non expert like me. Others like Dr Gupta have been similarly sidelined.

    We're meant to be a democracy..... How is it democracy if Dr Li Meng is not given a voice?

    Seriously, what is it with you and Li Meng?


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  • #31
    Inquitus
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    mcsean2163 wrote: »
    Dr Li Meng fled to the US where she presumably had no money. Trump took her in so presumably that's why she's with Bannon.

    If you expect a PhD virologist from Hong Kong to understand the difference between two politiical parties who are virtually the same but disagree over abortion.....

    My point is it's awful that she ended up with Bannon, that no media of note would work with her. Her mother has been arrested and her work reads well to a non expert like me. Others like Dr Gupta have been similarly sidelined.

    We're meant to be a democracy..... How is it democracy if Dr Li Meng is not given a voice?

    We don't subscribe to the 5G causes Covid conspiracy theory either, this is on a par with that. Trump wants to blame China and Bannon finds a patsy to write the requisite paper, which is then torn to shreds by all reputable virologists.


  • #32
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Its not when they are running around that worries me... but sat on a busy bus for 30 mins.

    Hah, yes, and I do agree with you in relation to public transport. Not so much about some other scenarios though.


  • #33
    normanoffside
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    While In Ireland we have players playing GAA finals with Covid.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1316082940468756481

    Zero false positives out of 5 million while on our national football team there have been at least 3 false positives in a week.

    Hard to believe the china numbers unless they have some kind of special test.


  • #34
    statesaver
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    We don't subscribe to the 5G causes Covid conspiracy theory either, this is on a par with that. Trump wants to blame China and Bannon finds a patsy to write the requisite paper, which is then torn to shreds by all reputable virologists.

    Well, it didn't come from Mexico.


  • #35
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,142 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    mcsean2163 wrote: »
    Dr Li Meng fled to the US where she presumably had no money. Trump took her in so presumably that's why she's with Bannon.
    If you expect a PhD virologist from Hong Kong to understand the difference between two politiical parties who are virtually the same but disagree over abortion.....
    My point is it's awful that she ended up with Bannon, that no media of note would work with her. Her mother has been arrested and her work reads well to a non expert like me. Others like Dr Gupta have been similarly sidelined.
    We're meant to be a democracy..... How is it democracy if Dr Li Meng is not given a voice?

    The right to speak does not come with the right to be given a voice... or listened to.
    It does come with the right not to be imprisoned for speaking.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #36
    [Deleted User]
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Hah, yes, and I do agree with you in relation to public transport. Not so much about some other scenarios though.

    Popping into a shop maskless for 5 minutes isn't a huge risk to you. But having to work there for 8 hours with hundreds of people popping in is a big risk to staff if people aren't wearing masks.


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  • #37
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Zero false positives out of 5 million while on our national football team there have been at least 3 false positives in a week.

    Hard to believe the china numbers unless they have some kind of special test.

    They use pool testing, so if a positive occurs individual testing will suss out fairly quickly if there has been a false positive.


  • #38
    podgeandrodge
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Popping into a shop maskless for 5 minutes isn't a huge risk to you. But having to work there for 8 hours with hundreds of people popping in is a big risk to staff if people aren't wearing masks.

    Well there is the question I guess. Do we have figures for staff of shops getting it over other professions? I recall during the good months, that the supermarkets produced very low and insignificant figures for coronavirus, despite nobody wearing masks. And there were a decent amount of people still shopping in supermarkets back then. If as you say it's a "big" risk, it didn't seem to be then. Hence, perhaps the bigger risk is people in close contact for long periods (as they've said since day dot) - rather than perhaps working in an area of a shop without being on top of other staff.


    I'd equally, for the same reason, like to know if there is a bigger proportion of pub/restaurant staff getting it when they were open, they being there all day too.


  • #39
    caveat emptor
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Zero false positives out of 5 million while on our national football team there have been at least 3 false positives in a week.

    Hard to believe the china numbers unless they have some kind of special test.

    That's a good point. Hard to believe China's numbers. Someone said that FAI uses a different kind of test which is must more inaccurate. I don't know enough about either tbh.


  • #40
    gipi
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Zero false positives out of 5 million while on our national football team there have been at least 3 false positives in a week.

    Hard to believe the china numbers unless they have some kind of special test.

    I read somewhere (Irish Times, I think) that China doesn't include asymptomatic cases in their CV positive totals....sure if we all did that, we'd be at level 1!


  • #41
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Well there is the question I guess. Do we have figures for staff of shops getting it over other professions? I recall during the good months, that the supermarkets produced very low and insignificant figures for coronavirus, despite nobody wearing masks. And there were a decent amount of people still shopping in supermarkets back then. If as you say it's a "big" risk, it didn't seem to be then. Hence, perhaps the bigger risk is people in close contact for long periods (as they've said since day dot) - rather than perhaps working in an area of a shop without being on top of other staff.

    That is true and supermarket staff weren't getting infected in big numbers. But supermarkets do tend to be airy and have high ceilings with decent ventilation from automatic doors. I'd be more concerned about smaller shops, particularly in shopping centres with limited airflow. Much more potential for particles to linger.

    Not to mention people were being ridiculously careful in supermarkets in April and May as for many it was the only trip out of the house for them. Lots of places are more relaxed now, some people don't seem to using hand sanitizer even.


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  • #42
    Arghus
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Well there is the question I guess. Do we have figures for staff of shops getting it over other professions? I recall during the good months, that the supermarkets produced very low and insignificant figures for coronavirus, despite nobody wearing masks. And there were a decent amount of people still shopping in supermarkets back then. If as you say it's a "big" risk, it didn't seem to be then. Hence, perhaps the bigger risk is people in close contact for long periods (as they've said since day dot) - rather than perhaps working in an area of a shop without being on top of other staff.


    I'd equally, for the same reason, like to know if there is a bigger proportion of pub/restaurant staff getting it when they were open, they being there all day too.

    The biggest risk for Supermarket workers and other retail workers currently is catching it off other members of staff in work.


  • #43
    mirrorwall14
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    Local garage here wore masks all the time from the beginning of lockdowns. They switched to visors recently. In there today and deli is closed due to a staff member testing positive. Visors are a waste of time if you ask me


  • #44
    Roger_007
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    Poorside wrote: »
    At the start people thought they were effective, the fact that's been proven wrong has yet to get into the general publics mindset.

    At the start the scientists and the medics told us that masks were pretty much useless unless they were medical grade masks with proper filters. They claimed that masks constantly being touched and being put on and taken off at regular intervals could actually increase the risk of infection. They also claimed that masks can induce a false sense of security.
    If you watch people going in and out of shops, they pull a mask from a pocket or handbag, put in on and go the shop and then take it off as soon as they come out and stuff it back wherever they got it from. I presume they repeat the process when they go into another shop or get on a bus.
    If masks are not virtually airtight around the edges they ‘leak’ a substantial proportion of exhaled air. I know this because I wear glasses and they fog up when I wear a mask.
    I have come to the conclusion that the ‘experts’ were probably right about masks the first time.............virtually useless.


  • #45
    Russman
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Popping into a shop maskless for 5 minutes isn't a huge risk to you. But having to work there for 8 hours with hundreds of people popping in is a big risk to staff if people aren't wearing masks.

    Just slightly related to that, and apologies if it’s been covered elsewhere (I’m sure it probably has), but what is the reality with the “15 minutes for a close contact” thing ? I know that’s the definition used to define a contact, I’m just curious as to what realistic level of contact becomes risky ? There’s probably no answer, I realise that, I’m just wondering where the line is between really low risk i.e. just walking past someone, and getting to the point where you really need to step back ?


  • #46
    froog
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    At the start the scientists and the medics told us that masks were pretty much useless unless they were medical grade masks with proper filters. They claimed that masks constantly being touched and being put on and taken off at regular intervals could actually increase the risk of infection. They also claimed that masks can induce a false sense of security.
    If you watch people going in and out of shops, they pull a mask from a pocket or handbag, put in on and go the shop and then take it off as soon as they come out and stuff it back wherever they got it from. I presume they repeat the process when they go into another shop or get on a bus.
    If masks are not virtually airtight around the edges they ‘leak’ a substantial proportion of exhaled air. I know this because I wear glasses and they fog up when I wear a mask.
    I have come to the conclusion that the ‘experts’ were probably right about masks the first time.............virtually useless.

    coronavirus is mainly spread through droplets. masks catch a good amount of those droplets.

    it's not rocket science.


  • #47
    Gael23
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    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    I see a lot of those visor things on staff rather than face masks, they are completely useless.

    Visors shield you from others surely?


  • #48
    Roger_007
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    froog wrote: »
    coronavirus is mainly spread through droplets. masks catch a good amount of those droplets.

    it's not rocket science.

    How could you possibly know that it is mainly spread through droplets?


  • #49
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Visors shield you from others surely?

    No. Its been said time and time again and studies have shown they are near to useless


  • #50
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    How could you possibly know that it is mainly spread through droplets?

    i don't. scientists do.


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    Visors shield you from others surely?

    Not really, droplets and aerosols tend to move around the great big gaps.


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