Black Monday

Jolly Red Giant · 29-12-2014 6:22pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

Denver may do a Cincinnati and lose both their coordinators

In the last 3 years Allen went to the Raiders and McCoy to the Chargers. I was surprised that one of the two coordinators didn't move last year. Personally I want to see Gase stay because Del Rio is easier to replace (I would even bring Allen back).

Realt Dearg Sec · 29-12-2014 6:51pm

Bears OC Kromer is fired too, which is no shock. The offense had clearly lost faith in him when he went whining to Rapoport and then admitted it only to receive no punishment at all. Expect the DC to be gone as well, since keeping him would be ludicrous even if nobody else was fired. Although while Tucker is very poor indeed, he sends to be the only assistant that commanded any respect from his players. But that's more or less the bare minimum, and he fails on pretty much every other front.

Jolly Red Giant · 29-12-2014 11:23pm

Falcons and 49ers have sought permission to interview Adam Gase.

Fox has given permission for meetings to take place in Denver or over Skype during the bye week.

Paully D · 29-12-2014 11:47pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Falcons and 49ers have sought permission to interview Adam Gase.

Fox has given permission for meetings to take place in Denver or over Skype during the bye week.

I wouldn't be a fan of that hire at all. I completely agree with Matt Miller on this one:

@nfldraftscout: Adam Gase will be a very hot name, but I would be very scared that he's benefited more from Peyton Manning than vice versa.

UnitedIrishman · 30-12-2014 12:24am

Falcons and 49ers have requested permission to speak to Josh McDaniels as per Ian Rapoport.

JaMarcusHustle · 30-12-2014 12:45am

Coaching staff of teams still in the playoffs should not be made available for interview until their season is over.

kryogen · 30-12-2014 3:41am

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Falcons and 49ers have requested permission to speak to Josh McDaniels as per Ian Rapoport.

9ers could be an interesting destination for him, as much as he frustrates me at times I wouldn't mind him sticking around another season though

adrian522 · 30-12-2014 1:08pm

From what I understand the 49ers are expected to interview:

Josh McDaniels - New England OC
Dan Quinn - Seattle DC
Todd Bowles - Arizona DC
Adam Gase - Denver OC
Mike Shanahan/Kyle Shanahan
Tom Clements - Green Bay OC
Darrell Bevell - Seattle OC

As well as the 2 in house guys, Vic Fangio (DC) and Jim Tomsula (D-Line Coach)

I haven't seen them linked with any college head coaches yet. But you would assume that would be an option too.

Greg Roman is following Jim Harbaugh to Michigan.

Jolly Red Giant · 30-12-2014 2:22pm

Paully D wrote: »

I wouldn't be a fan of that hire at all. I completely agree with Matt Miller on this one:

Gase is underestimated in the impact that he has on the Broncos offence.

In relation to the 49ers - it is by far and away the job with the biggest potential - the 49ers can afford to take their time to pick who they feel will be the best candidate.

I expect other teams to look at the college ranks to try and steal a march in filling the job - but anyone wanting to fill from within the NFL will probably have to wait until the 49ers fill their HC job.

Jolly Red Giant · 30-12-2014 2:24pm

kryogen wrote: »

9ers could be an interesting destination for him, as much as he frustrates me at times I wouldn't mind him sticking around another season though

I wouldn't expect the 49ers to hire McD - Harbaugh is gone because he was a control freak - McDaniels is a similar control freak without the HC ability.

JaMarcusHustle · 30-12-2014 2:39pm

I thought the press conference yesterday by Jed York and Trent Baalke was a good read. I was happy to see the media really get stuck in with their questions, and JY and TB were getting really defensive with some of their answers. Also, if I was an OC/DC being offered the job, I'd be wary. There is so much expectation to win a Super Bowl, that if things aren't looking good after a couple of years, they could find themselves out of a job and in the "unsuccesful promotion to HC" pile. Certainly McDaniels won't want 2 failed attempts at being a HC on his CV.

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Full-Transcript-CEO-Jed-York-and-GM-Trent-Baalke-on-49ers-Future/e04920e3-b5de-4255-adab-5851785757b6

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2014 2:48pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

I thought the press conference yesterday by Jed York and Trent Baalke was a good read. I was happy to see the media really get stuck in with their questions, and JY and TB were getting really defensive with some of their answers. Also, if I was an OC/DC being offered the job, I'd be wary. There is so much expectation to win a Super Bowl, that if things aren't looking good after a couple of years, they could find themselves out of a job and in the "unsuccesful promotion to HC" pile. Certainly McDaniels won't want 2 failed attempts at being a HC on his CV.

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Full-Transcript-CEO-Jed-York-and-GM-Trent-Baalke-on-49ers-Future/e04920e3-b5de-4255-adab-5851785757b6

Well for a team like the 49ers giving their history and the recent sucess they have had, of course there is expectation for a super bowl with good reason.

Josh mcdaniels first balls up should bar him from ever getting a HC job in the league again.

ArmaniJeanss · 30-12-2014 3:01pm

How would going from 49ers to Michigan be perceived - is it a minor/major downwards step or just a sideways step. Would it be seen as a short term move with the plan being to head back to NFL in a number of years. And how would the salaries compare?

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2014 3:06pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

How would going from 49ers to Michigan be perceived - is it a minor/major downwards step or just a sideways step. Would it be seen as a short term move with the plan being to head back to NFL in a number of years. And how would the salaries compare?

Sideways step. I think it's $8M a year at Michigan so it compares very well with the nfl if not better.

Chucky the tree · 30-12-2014 3:18pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

How would going from 49ers to Michigan be perceived - is it a minor/major downwards step or just a sideways step. Would it be seen as a short term move with the plan being to head back to NFL in a number of years. And how would the salaries compare?

Looking from a distance it looks like a strange choice because he's a head coach who would have been first choice for pretty much all of the vacant head coaching positions I would say. NFL is obviously the pinnacle of the sport but college ball is huge in America so non Americans would likely view it as a major downgrade. I think there are a lot of valid reasons he did it though

I'd say this season has been hugely stressful for him having to deal with York and Baalke. Supposedly these are the two who leaked a lot of negative stuff about Harbaugh throughout the season which must have made the working relationship pretty horrible. I think the chance to get away from all of that and go to Michigan where he will have full control is a huge incentive. It also gives him a good chance to get out of the media spot-light that comes with being an NFL coach. I dont think the emphasis of winning straight away will be a strong for Michigan compared to an NFL team. He's also an Michigan alumni so the opportunity to coach them, and bring them back to glory would be very appealing to him. He's still only 51 which is young enough for a head coach so he has plenty of time to come back to the NFL and I'd be surprised if we don't see there again. I'd say after getting so close with the 49ers he'll feel he has unfinished business.

Money wise he'll be the highest paid college coach ever. He's going to earn $8m per year and that's very close to the top in the NFL as well, top 3 at least I would say.

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-12-2014 3:20pm

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eagle eye · 30-12-2014 3:31pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I wouldn't expect the 49ers to hire McD - Harbaugh is gone because he was a control freak - McDaniels is a similar control freak without the HC ability.

This is all guesswork without actual knowledge. Its based on reading the rubbish the media post about somebody when they have nothing else to write about.

Nobody knows what McDaniels is like behind the scenes except the players. He got rid of Cutler and Marshall but its been clearly shown at this stage that Cutler is not that good and Marshall had a lot of problems. In hindsight it was a good move to improve the Broncos even if it didn't happen straight away. I don't think Denver would have any AFC titles since that time if those two had not been got rid of.

Chucky the tree · 30-12-2014 3:33pm

eagle eye wrote: »

This is all guesswork without actual knowledge. Its based on reading the rubbish the media post about somebody when they have nothing else to write about.

Nobody knows what McDaniels is like behind the scenes except the players. He got rid of Cutler and Marshall but its been clearly shown at this stage that Cutler is not that good and Marshall had a lot of problems. In hindsight it was a good move to improve the Broncos even if it didn't happen straight away. I don't think Denver would have any AFC titles since that time if those two had not been got rid of.

They wouldn't have had any with Tebow or Orton as their QB's either.

Jolly Red Giant · 30-12-2014 3:52pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Nobody knows what McDaniels is like behind the scenes except the players. He got rid of Cutler and Marshall but its been clearly shown at this stage that Cutler is not that good and Marshall had a lot of problems. In hindsight it was a good move to improve the Broncos even if it didn't happen straight away. I don't think Denver would have any AFC titles since that time if those two had not been got rid of.

There is copious amounts of evidence that McDaniels was a control freak and the control he had in Denver went completely to his head. The blame for this lay firmly at the door of Bowlen who stated that he wouldn't give anyone the same control that Shanahan enjoyed as HC and then proceeded to give McDaniels that control. Bowlen openly admitted that he was wrong to do this (and may have happened because of Bowlen's deteriorating health).

Marshall was heading out the door when Shanahan was sacked - McDs appointment saved Marshall for a year. McD was right to dump Cutler but wanted to replace him with Cassels and then did replace him with Orton.

But that was not the main problem - McDaniels almost completely wrecked the franchise while he was in control. He wasted draft picks, decimated the roster, tried to pack the roster with NE castaways, destroyed the back room staff, alienated the fans and pretty much destroyed the reputation of the Broncos. He tried to copy and paste the BB approach in NE to Denver but it is impossible to do this - McDaniels is not BB and Denver is not NE. McDaniels has a sharp OC mind - but he was and will be a disaster as a HC.

adrian522 · 30-12-2014 4:19pm

Thing is no one coming to SF will have control over draft picks etc, that will all be baalke.

On the press conference it is obvious that most of the leaks either came from Jed Yorke or someone very close to him. He has really backed himself into a corner.

He talks about getting a "Bill Walsh type" coach, but the suspicion is he has just let such a coach go. Harbaugh had one of the the all time great coaching records, particularly in his first 3 years. His 4th season was essentially sabotaged from within.

York was completely unable to offer an explanation why Harbaugh was fired. I see no good reason for it and the blame should lie squarely at Jed Yorks door.

Whoever comes in is going to be under huge pressure. Already you have different players coming out in favour of different guys. You have Montana, Lott and Steve Young all chiming in with their preferences.

On taking the Michigan job, one reason may have been that JH stillhad 1 year left on his contract and there may have been an agreement that he be realesed from that on conditon that he does not coach in the NFL during that time.

That's just guesswork but it would make some sense. I have the feeling that JH will end up back in the NFL, probably winning superbowls and probably beating SF at every oppurtunity.

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2014 4:41pm

Eagles OC Pat Shurmur will interviewing for the Oakland job.

adrian522 · 30-12-2014 4:46pm

Raiders are also interviewing Eric Mangini.

Tippex · 30-12-2014 7:42pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Thing is no one coming to SF will have control over draft picks etc, that will all be baalke.

On the press conference it is obvious that most of the leaks either came from Jed Yorke or someone very close to him. He has really backed himself into a corner.

He talks about getting a "Bill Walsh type" coach, but the suspicion is he has just let such a coach go. Harbaugh had one of the the all time great coaching records, particularly in his first 3 years. His 4th season was essentially sabotaged from within.

York was completely unable to offer an explanation why Harbaugh was fired. I see no good reason for it and the blame should lie squarely at Jed Yorks door.

Whoever comes in is going to be under huge pressure. Already you have different players coming out in favour of different guys. You have Montana, Lott and Steve Young all chiming in with their preferences.

On taking the Michigan job, one reason may have been that JH stillhad 1 year left on his contract and there may have been an agreement that he be realesed from that on conditon that he does not coach in the NFL during that time.

That's just guesswork but it would make some sense. I have the feeling that JH will end up back in the NFL, probably winning superbowls and probably beating SF at every oppurtunity.

From everything I have read and some of it surprised me especially some of Baalke's comments it all points to York. I think both Baalke and Harbaugh definately butted heads but I think there was a mutual respect there of each others role in the organisation and what each brought to the table.

York just comes across as an I'm the boss type of person and it is irrelevant whether I am qualified or not to run this organisation.

Paully D · 30-12-2014 8:30pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Money wise he'll be the highest paid college coach ever. He's going to earn $8m per year and that's very close to the top in the NFL as well, top 3 at least I would say.

While a player isn't allowed to be paid for signing an autograph. An absolute joke, but this thread is probably not the right place for it I suppose.

mikemac1 · 30-12-2014 8:37pm

8 million is right up there for salaries.

Sean Payton & Pete Carroll are the highest paid in the NFL on 8 million, Belichick is on 7.5 million

Nick Saban earns 7 million

Tippex · 30-12-2014 9:16pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

8 million is right up there for salaries.

Sean Payton & Pete Carroll are the highest paid in the NFL on 8 million, Belichick is on 7.5 million

Nick Saban earns 7 million

It was reported today that he is on 5mil plus bonuses with 10% rise guranteed in year 3 and 5

mikemac1 · 30-12-2014 10:41pm

Charlie Casserly hired Gary Kubiak back when he was GM at the Texans.

Casserly was brought in to advise the Jets on their coaching search. And Kubiak is on the shortlist already

Just throwing that link out there......

Silver-Tiger · 30-12-2014 11:05pm

Chucky, Too right you'll take Rex when Mangenius and Schurmur are interviewing.

Although i have a soft spot for Mangini.

JaMarcusHustle · 30-12-2014 11:39pm

"Jim Harbaugh told Hackett he did NOT want to be the highest paid coach in CFB, or even the Big Ten. More concerned with pay for assistants"

Classy move.

Itssoeasy · 31-12-2014 1:06am

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

"Jim Harbaugh told Hackett he did NOT want to be the highest paid coach in CFB, or even the Big Ten. More concerned with pay for assistants"

Classy move.

Well watching his press conference you could tell his connection and history with Michigan was deep and he seemed so relaxed, so yeah I think money wasn't his overriding concern.

OldMrBrennan83 · 31-12-2014 1:09am

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adrian522 · 31-12-2014 1:23am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well watching his press conference you could tell his connection and history with Michigan was deep and he seemed so relaxed, so yeah I think money wasn't his overriding concern.

In fairness I've heard the same line before. He wants his assistants paid. But he also wants to paid himself and he still is the highest paid college coach and he still wanted to be the highest paid NFL coach.

JaMarcusHustle · 31-12-2014 1:35am

He's not the highest paid college coach, why do people keep saying this?

Saban and Dantonio are on significantly higher salaries. Stoops is also higher, and Sumlin and Strong are on the same salary.

Chucky the tree · 31-12-2014 12:51pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

He's not the highest paid college coach, why do people keep saying this?

Saban and Dantonio are on significantly higher salaries. Stoops is also higher, and Sumlin and Strong are on the same salary.

All of that reported salaries had him as the highest paid college coach. Turns out those weren't correct though.

adrian522 · 31-12-2014 3:28pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

All of that reported salaries had him as the highest paid college coach. Turns out those weren't correct though.

We can also add Rex Ryan to the list of candidates the 49ers will interview.

LuckyLloyd · 31-12-2014 5:55pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Looking from a distance it looks like a strange choice because he's a head coach who would have been first choice for pretty much all of the vacant head coaching positions I would say. NFL is obviously the pinnacle of the sport but college ball is huge in America so non Americans would likely view it as a major downgrade. I think there are a lot of valid reasons he did it though

I'd say this season has been hugely stressful for him having to deal with York and Baalke. Supposedly these are the two who leaked a lot of negative stuff about Harbaugh throughout the season which must have made the working relationship pretty horrible. I think the chance to get away from all of that and go to Michigan where he will have full control is a huge incentive. It also gives him a good chance to get out of the media spot-light that comes with being an NFL coach. I dont think the emphasis of winning straight away will be a strong for Michigan compared to an NFL team. He's also an Michigan alumni so the opportunity to coach them, and bring them back to glory would be very appealing to him. He's still only 51 which is young enough for a head coach so he has plenty of time to come back to the NFL and I'd be surprised if we don't see there again. I'd say after getting so close with the 49ers he'll feel he has unfinished business.

Money wise he'll be the highest paid college coach ever. He's going to earn $8m per year and that's very close to the top in the NFL as well, top 3 at least I would say.

The pressure to win at Michigan will be huge. He won't be able to afford many <
9 win seasons and will need to be in the National Title picture within 3 or 4 years. If it does work out don't expect him back in the NFL, that's a job for life assuming you win.

helimachoptor · 01-01-2015 12:15am

Marrone calls it a day with the Bills

Paully D · 01-01-2015 12:52am

helimachoptor wrote: »

Marrone calls it a day with the Bills

Off to the Jets as per Twitter chatter among the NFL crew. He also gets his full salary for 2015 from the Bills, on top of whatever he negotiates with the Jets (or another team).

From PFT:

It wasn’t known that Marrone, if he chose to leave, would walk away with his full salary for 2015. According to ESPN, that’s precisely the term he negotiated when he became the coach two years ago. Marrone gets $4 million for 2015, with no offset if he takes another job in football for next season.

I'd like his agent please!

Bucky Brooks isn't too happy:

Bucky Brooks ‏@BuckyBrooks

So, Doug Marrone abandons his team and pockets $4M.. I'm sure he will stand in front of his "new" team and preach sacrifice & togetherness.

And Bills players reactions - http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2014/12/buffalo_bills_player_lost_all_respect_doug_marrone_past_present_players_react.html?hootPostID=3a3155dfe96c8953a4d686f10e75def6

adrian522 · 01-01-2015 12:52am

This is interesting, there was a clause in his contract that allows him to leave if there is a change of ownership. Very interesting indeed.

phatkev · 01-01-2015 3:51am

Paully D wrote: »

Off to the Jets as per Twitter chatter among the NFL crew. He also gets his full salary for 2015 from the Bills, on top of whatever he negotiates with the Jets (or another [\quote]

There was once a coach that abandoned one afcE team for another and ended up with 3 SB, go for it I say

adrian522 · 01-01-2015 4:32am

Well this certainly relevant given the mess that is the 49ers front office, from Bill Walsh's book on coaching.

Itssoeasy · 01-01-2015 4:27pm

Wait doug marone has left the bills ? I thought he had a three day window built into his contract, where he could leave but I got the impression he wasn't leaving. Right then.

Tristram · 01-01-2015 11:24pm

He was doing a good job with the Bills. Surprised by the move and I think it leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth if he is to jump to another NFL team now.

edit: although in fairness maybe the new owners let him know he wasn't there man going forward.

adrian522 · 02-01-2015 10:45pm

Rumor that Chip Kelly wants out of the Eagles.

One of his most trusted advisers, Tom Gamble was recently fired, and the speculation is that it is part of a power struggle within the front office.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/1/2/7482259/chip-kelly-rumors-eagles-tom-gamble-49ers

Tristram · 03-01-2015 2:39am

Seems unlikely now

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2/7482281/chip-kelly-player-personnel-rumors-howie-roseman

Paully D · 03-01-2015 2:59am

Tristram wrote: »

Seems unlikely now

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2/7482281/chip-kelly-player-personnel-rumors-howie-roseman

Not a good move on the Eagles part IMO. How many coaches have ever successfully pulled off such a double role? It's a very short list. It appears that they got wind that he was seriously considering leaving and have just given him the keys to the house to ensure he stays. A crazy and somewhat ridiculous amount of power for a second year head coach in the NFL.

Also, Chip said the following in January 2013 as per @mikemccartney7: "I'm not a GM. I'm not a salary cap guy. I don't want those titles. I just want to coach football". :pac:

Onecoolcookie · 03-01-2015 5:26pm

How would people rank the coaching candidates for this years jobs? I really don't think it's that good a class compared to previous years.

Gase and Quinn have superb players to make them look good.
Mc Daniels is still not HC material IMO.
Teryl Austin has huge potential but it could be too soon for him with only one year NFL co-ordinator experience.

That leaves Bowles and Rex. I think Rex to the Falcons would be a great move for him. Matt Ryan is a top QB and pretty much runs the offence which would leave Rex to sort out the mess of a defence which I'd have no doubt he could do.

adrian522 · 03-01-2015 5:31pm

I'd like the 49ers to give Fangio the HC role and promote tomsula to the DC position.

Jolly Red Giant · 03-01-2015 7:25pm

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Gase and Quinn have superb players to make them look good.

Not blowing the trumpet for Gase - I want him to stay as the Broncos OC - but Gase has had to make major adjustments to the Broncos offence during the season and has done so very effectively. Manning is not the player he used to be and Fox and Elway messed up the OL. Gase deserves credit for making Denver a team that will actually be able to compete in the play-offs (being my usual optimistic self).

mikemac1 · 10-01-2015 8:40pm

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet ·
Gary Kubiak has not interviewed yet, but from people close to him, he may not. He loves #Ravens, has friends there, isn’t looking to move

I approve

Hoping Kubiak stays in Baltimore

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