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spiralism · 17-01-2015 4:25am

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Kubiak is almost guaranteed to be the Broncos next HC - no one should be surprised at this, especially those who thought his statement last week that he didn't want to be considered for any HC position.

As far back as when he took over as the Texans HC Kubiak stated that there were only two teams that he would ever consider taking as HC - his hometown Texans and the team where his heart has always been, the Broncos.

Austin knows the job is Kubiak's if he wants it - that is why he pulled out of the interview - same with Marrone.

Kubiak will bring in Kyle Shanahan or Rick Dennison or both to run the offence and Ted Monachino or Vance Joseph or both to run the defence (Joseph was on Kubiak's staff in Houston). This will be a very strong coaching staff (Tolbert and Studsville will be brought back) and Kubiak's offence is perfect for the physical attributes and talents of Osweiler - if Os doesn't make it in a Kubiak offence he will be selling insurance 12 months later.

My ****ing eyes. Bringing back the ZBS, Kubiak and Dennison is just gonna send us back in reverse to the bad ol days of the late '00s. You dont move forward in this league by trying to go back to 1998.

As for Kyle Shanahan, he all but got ran out of Washington and was as culpable as his father in ruining RGIII in record time. ****ing hell, no no no no no no no no no

Kubiak is one thing if we hire someone like Schwartz as DC and try to hang on to Gase. It's another entirely if we want to try and get the band back together as regards the 1998 Broncos coaching staff.

He's no improvement over Fox in any fathomable way, he got outcoached frequently, pretty much never got wins against big teams and was too loyal to his players and too much of a soft touch. So in essence, John Fox but the difference being he's tight with Elway.

This whole thing has a late 2000s Chargers feeling to it, where AJ and Norv slowly let a ****ing stacked team descend into mediocrity

mikemac1 · 17-01-2015 6:14am

So negative Sprialism ^^^^

If Broncos fans don't want Kubiak and Monachino then Ravens fans would gladly keep them

Why doesn't the zone blocking scheme work? Kubiak transformed the Ravens rushing game from a pathetic 30th in 2013 to 8th in 2014. It was no star studded offensive line with heavy investment like maybe Dallas -

LT - 1st rounder and a rookie UDFA
LG - 2nd rounder
C - 3rd rounder who cost a 5th rounder in a trade
RG - 3rd rounder and a rookie 5th rounder
RT - 5th rounder

And the leading back was 29 and had done nothing much in his career until then

I don't know much about Osweiler but if Kubiak can't develop him then I don't think there are many other coaches in the league who can

TO. · 17-01-2015 6:29am

spiralism wrote: »

My ****ing eyes. Bringing back the ZBS,

Bringing back the Zone Blocking Scheme? You do realise Fox has been using Zone blocking also right? In fact of all the teams last weekend in the Divisional Games the Cowboys, Packers, Seahawks, Broncos, Ravens and Steelers all use Zone blocking schemes. That is 6 of the 8 teams in the Divisional rounds using the system, either fully or to some extent. No idea why you are so negative about it and why you are making it out its old school or out of date.

Jolly Red Giant · 17-01-2015 12:56pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

So negative Sprialism ^^^^

If Broncos fans don't want Kubiak and Monachino then Ravens fans would gladly keep them

Why doesn't the zone blocking scheme work? Kubiak transformed the Ravens rushing game from a pathetic 30th in 2013 to 8th in 2014. It was no star studded offensive line with heavy investment like maybe Dallas -

LT - 1st rounder and a rookie UDFA
LG - 2nd rounder
C - 3rd rounder who cost a 5th rounder in a trade
RG - 3rd rounder and a rookie 5th rounder
RT - 5th rounder

And the leading back was 29 and had done nothing much in his career until then

I don't know much about Osweiler but if Kubiak can't develop him then I don't think there are many other coaches in the league who can

Spot on Mike

The zone blocking scheme is effective - and CJ Anderson would blossom in ZBS because he is very effective, spots the hole and is a one cut runner. There would have to be some changes in the OL - Clady and Vasquez would be fine but Franklin is too slow for ZBS so will walk in FA.

As for Oswiler - there is no better option to make him an NFL QB - Kubiak's offence is built around a mobile QB with a big arm - lost of play action off of the ZBS, roll outs etc. Kubiak's offence is tailor made for Osweiler and fits his physical attributes and talents like a glove - there would not be any other Coach/QB match in the NFL with the exception of BB/Brady. If Os can't make it under Kubiak's offence he will be gone from the NFL within 12 months.

What is clearly emerging is that after last seasons SB Elway had planned dumping Fox and his sidekicks if they went one and done in the play-offs. On top of that he knew exactly what he wanted to do in that eventuality - and that has been in the pipeline for months. Kubiak is being brought in for the long-term - himself and Elway go back to 1983 when they were both drafted. Elway relied on Kubiak all the time Kubiak was his back-up QB (unlike Manning who probably doesn't even know who the back-up is) - and Kubiak was key to the Broncos SB wins as OC. Once Elway became Broncos GM it was inevitable that Kubiak would come back as HC - and the only thing, the only thing, that will stop that is whether Kubiak has any worries about his health. This is why I think Elway will surround him with a lot of extra help - Shanahan, Dennison, Joseph, Monachino (or others) - to do all the heavy lifting.

spiralism · 17-01-2015 2:10pm

TO. wrote: »

Bringing back the Zone Blocking Scheme? You do realise Fox has been using Zone blocking also right? In fact of all the teams last weekend in the Divisional Games the Cowboys, Packers, Seahawks, Broncos, Ravens and Steelers all use Zone blocking schemes. That is 6 of the 8 teams in the Divisional rounds using the system, either fully or to some extent. No idea why you are so negative about it and why you are making it out its old school or out of date.

No no no, im talking about heavily emphasising the playbook on it, Mike Shanahan style. What bugs me is that we'd be hiring a bunch of retreads from the 2008 staff as well as opposed to better qualified staff. If we fired Gase or let him go to replace him with Kyle Shanahan or Rick Dennison, that's a massive downgrade for example

17-01-2015 3:05pm

TO. wrote: »

Broncos just found their new HC

jesus lorde what the hell does she know about football

17-01-2015 3:10pm

spiralism wrote: »

My ****ing eyes. Bringing back the ZBS, Kubiak and Dennison is just gonna send us back in reverse to the bad ol days of the late '00s. You dont move forward in this league by trying to go back to 1998.

As for Kyle Shanahan, he all but got ran out of Washington and was as culpable as his father in ruining RGIII in record time. ****ing hell, no no no no no no no no no

Kubiak is one thing if we hire someone like Schwartz as DC and try to hang on to Gase. It's another entirely if we want to try and get the band back together as regards the 1998 Broncos coaching staff.

He's no improvement over Fox in any fathomable way, he got outcoached frequently, pretty much never got wins against big teams and was too loyal to his players and too much of a soft touch. So in essence, John Fox but the difference being he's tight with Elway.

This whole thing has a late 2000s Chargers feeling to it, where AJ and Norv slowly let a ****ing stacked team descend into mediocrity

jesus christ dude everything you post about your team is negative and they say philly fans are bad

Chucky the tree · 17-01-2015 3:35pm

It's a pretty bad appointment and I'd be worried if I was a Denver fan. I'd have little faith that he's the type of head coach who will win the Broncos a superbowl. Like John Fox, he'll might get them to the play-offs but they'll collapse then.

Jolly Red Giant · 17-01-2015 8:40pm

spiralism wrote: »

No no no, im talking about heavily emphasising the playbook on it, Mike Shanahan style. What bugs me is that we'd be hiring a bunch of retreads from the 2008 staff as well as opposed to better qualified staff. If we fired Gase or let him go to replace him with Kyle Shanahan or Rick Dennison, that's a massive downgrade for example

spiralism - you do realise that the Ravens offence was pretty much anaemic before Kubiak took over as OC and he turned around the offence in one go - ask youself why the Ravens fans are hopping over the prospect of losing their OC.

Kubiak does not run a retread of the Shanahan offence and he was long gone from Denver when Shanahan was fired - he is one of the best offensive minds in football and has proven it. He also has the advantage of a relatively young and talented roster in Denver coupled with Elway as GM who has had a lot more hits than misses in terms of building the roster.

I was reading an interesting comment today from someone who pointed out that Broncos fans were hopping mad when Elway kept Garland, Schofield and Paradis in the roster this season and no one could understand why - well, guess what, all three are perfectly suited for running a ZBS - all three are smaller than normal but fast and agile. Indications that Elway had some plans in place for some time.

helimachoptor · 17-01-2015 10:31pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Rumours Kubiak has the Broncos job

Guess I was right.

A poster on one of the tirans boards who seems connected says this will be announced Monday

Jolly Red Giant · 17-01-2015 10:45pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Guess I was right.

A poster on one of the tirans boards who seems connected says this will be announced Monday

Kubiak is interviewing tomorrow.

helimachoptor · 17-01-2015 10:54pm

Job on Monday

Then watch paulky D and mikemacs heart break, on mobile or I'd put up the simpsons gif of Ralph

Jolly Red Giant · 17-01-2015 11:12pm

Marrone has pulled out of his scheduled interview with the Broncos - writing on wall and all that.

helimachoptor · 17-01-2015 11:35pm

Maybe confirmed tomorrow then

Paully D · 18-01-2015 3:45pm

Rapoport reporting that Kyle Shanahan could end up in Baltimore (or Atlanta) to replace Kubiak. Good ****ing Christ.

Gase interviews with the Jaguars about their OC job. How the mighty have fallen!

ChicagoJoe · 18-01-2015 4:16pm

Going to Foxborough it's a tall job for the Colts to get with an upset victory, Q/B Luck has to make more plays than Brady and continue to receive better than expected support from his offensive line, defense and coaching staff. They have simply has too much working against them in this matchup. With the Seahawks playing like they are, angry on defense and efficient on offense, it's very tough to pick anyone to win at Seattle. That said, the Packers have the ability to make it interesting. A lot is made of Rodgers' calf injury, but if he's as sharp as he was last week, he will give Green Bay a chance. There are many playmakers around him, too and that's what the Packers can hang their hats on.

Realt Dearg Sec · 18-01-2015 4:31pm

ChicagoJoe wrote: »

Going to Foxborough it's a tall job for the Colts to get with an upset victory, Q/B Luck has to make more plays than Brady and continue to receive better than expected support from his offensive line, defense and coaching staff. They have simply has too much working against them in this matchup. With the Seahawks playing like they are, angry on defense and efficient on offense, it's very tough to pick anyone to win at Seattle. That said, the Packers have the ability to make it interesting. A lot is made of Rodgers' calf injury, but if he's as sharp as he was last week, he will give Green Bay a chance. There are many playmakers around him, too and that's what the Packers can hang their hats on.

wrong thread Joe, but I agree with you.

Paully D · 18-01-2015 9:28pm

Quinn to be the new Falcons head coach, as per Rapoport.

Jolly Red Giant · 18-01-2015 10:32pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Maybe confirmed tomorrow then

Kubiak won't be confirmed until Tuesday - apparently the NFL doesn't want any distractions from the football.

Broncos sent a high powered team to interview Kubiak in Houston including all the top executives. And the word is that Kubiak will accept the job if it is offered.

As for Gase - he needs to prove he can get the job done without the presence of Manning. If he does that then he will get a HC job.

Utopia Parkway · 19-01-2015 3:25am

Looks like Kubiak is getting a 4 year deal with the Broncos.

Jolly Red Giant · 19-01-2015 9:14am

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Looks like Kubiak is getting a 4 year deal with the Broncos.

Yep - will be announced Tuesday - Dennison to be OC (not unexpected) and the word is Joseph will be DC (although there are a few DCs out there that I would like to see interviewed).

adrian522 · 20-01-2015 4:47pm

didn't really know where to post this so I said I'd post it here.

My question, Is it normal to hire position coaches and assitants before hiring the Coordinator?

The 49ers seem to have the following locked in to their offensive staff:

Quarterbacks coach: Geep Chryst
Running backs coach: Tom Rathman
Offensive line coach: Chris Foerster
Assistant OL coach: Eric Wolford
Wide receivers coach: Ronald Curry
Offensive assistant: Mick Lombardi

This all strikes me as very starnge given no OC has been appointed. Surely any OC would want to bring in his own guys?

Paully D · 20-01-2015 9:44pm

Marc Trestman to the Ravens as their new OC to replace Gary Kubiak is done and dusted.

SameOleJay · 20-01-2015 9:55pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Yep - will be announced Tuesday - Dennison to be OC (not unexpected) and the word is Joseph will be DC (although there are a few DCs out there that I would like to see interviewed).

Well done chief- you called it early.

Amazed by the Trestman appointment. These journalist with "insiders" are such a nonsense. Nearly everyone of the co-ordinator appointments are straight out of nowhere.

adrian522 · 20-01-2015 9:56pm

Paully D wrote: »

Marc Trestman to the Ravens as their new OC to replace Gary Kubiak is done and dusted.

This makes me happy. Glad he didn't wind up in San Francisco.

Paully D · 20-01-2015 9:58pm

Doug Marrone is the new Jaguars O-line coach. Oh how the mighty have fallen!

However, he has also been given the title of "assistant head coach". I'm going to assume the Jaguars have lined him up as their next head coach then and if Bradley early in the season doesn't look like getting the type of improvement the Jaguars were hoping for last year, he'll be replaced with Marrone.

$4m from the Bills plus whatever the Jaguars pay him (tax free) and being based in Florida. I can't say I blame him mind.

SameOleJay · 20-01-2015 9:59pm

adrian522 wrote: »

This makes me happy. Glad he didn't wind up in San Francisco.

If the Ravens had any shot at Kyle Shanahan they completely dropped the ball imo. He was the perfect replacement for Kubiak.

Paully D · 20-01-2015 10:14pm

SameOleJay wrote: »

If the Ravens had any shot at Kyle Shanahan they completely dropped the ball imo. He was the perfect replacement for Kubiak.

I think he'd pretty much agreed to take the Falcons job before Kubiak had even left Baltimore.

kennyb3 · 21-01-2015 10:11am

Paully D wrote: »

Marc Trestman to the Ravens as their new OC to replace Gary Kubiak is done and dusted.

Unlucky - expect a good first year and then a massive drop off (it's been the way for him every job as OC/HC in the league). So glad to be rid of him.

HigginsJ · 21-01-2015 11:22am

Jags have appointed Greg Olsen as their new OC. Great hire, the guy did a good job with utter tripe in Oakland, Bortles should be very happy.

adrian522 · 21-01-2015 12:31pm

There is a rumor circulating that Adam Gase pretty much had the 49ers job wrapped up and messed up his final interview, coming off as arrogant and cocky and that was why he missed out and is not being considered for the OC role.

Seems a strange situation and could be all BS but it certainly seemd like he was about to be offered the job then suddenly Jim Tomsula was the new HC.

Eddie Borsilli @Borsilli
Buzz around Mobile. Adam Gase screwed up the 49ers HC job in the last interview. He had it locked up before final meeting

spiralism · 23-01-2015 5:27am

Broncos supposedly talking to Wade Phillips for DC position. Would be a great hire if this comes off.

adrian522 · 23-01-2015 9:57am

In news that is hard to get excited about the 49ers will hire Eric Mangini as Defensive Coordinator and Jason Tarver will be the LB Coach.

Still no word on a OC. Names linked included Trestman, Adam Gase and Kyle Shanahan who have all found employment elsewhere.

Other names mentioned have been Mike Shanahan (unlikely to take an OC position though), Rob Chudzinski (Colts declined permission for him to interview though apparently his contract runs out soon anyway), Lane Kiffin (Really hope this doesn't happen which probably means he's in place by Monday).

An in-house candidate could be QB coach Geep Chryst, great name but QB play was sub-par recently, don't see him as being a god hire. Jed will probably hire whoever is cheapest from those listed or you know, just run the offense himself.

helimachoptor · 27-01-2015 12:09am

Dick Le Beau on the way to the Titans, apparently because his wife prefers Nashville over Arizona :eek:

adrian522 · 27-01-2015 4:10pm

Rob Chudzinski is staying in Indy. Associate HC, whatever that means.

The 49ers are now pretty much stuck with another in house hire by the looks of things. QB coach Geep Chryst. Lots of puns possible with that name. Kaepernicks play last season doesn't exactly inspire confidence to be honest so I'll be pretty pessimistic if he is the hire.

Other possibilities? There was one report of Mike Shanahan, but realistically he is not taking an OC role.

Possibly looking at poaching the OC of either of the superbowl teams but that seems unlikely too, neither would be allowed move "laterally" I would imagine.

helimachoptor · 27-01-2015 5:09pm

Dowell Loggains is avaialble..

Jolly Red Giant · 27-01-2015 10:17pm

spiralism wrote: »

Broncos supposedly talking to Wade Phillips for DC position. Would be a great hire if this comes off.

The Broncos still want Joseph - to be honest the Bengals are doing Joseph an injustice by not letting him take a promotion to DC (and not the first time they have done this).

Wade Phillips is the backup plan - and probably the best candidate available after Joseph. Phillips has always put together a good defence and has a good pool of talent to work with if he ends up with the Broncos.

Paully D · 27-01-2015 10:26pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Rob Chudzinski is staying in Indy. Associate HC, whatever that means.

"Next Head Coach".

adrian522 · 27-01-2015 10:49pm

Doesn't say much for Pagano or Hamilton in that case. To me it seemed like a change in job title and pay increase for doing the same job to try and make him stay

Alfred Borden · 27-01-2015 11:40pm

Paully D wrote: »

"Next Head Coach".

Hopefully your correct

taidghbaby · 28-01-2015 1:31pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Doesn't say much for Pagano or Hamilton in that case. To me it seemed like a change in job title and pay increase for doing the same job to try and make him stay

Hamilton was viewed as potential HC material this year and the Colts don't think he'll be around after next year! I'd say this contract is a tie over until the OC job becomes available!

adrian522 · 28-01-2015 1:35pm

What teams interviewed Hamilton? I don't remember any, the 49ers didn't and they seemed to interview everybody.

taidghbaby · 28-01-2015 1:41pm

adrian522 wrote: »

What teams interviewed Hamilton? I don't remember any, the 49ers didn't and they seemed to interview everybody.

raiders did as far as I know! It was a surprise more didn't to be honest!

He is in a similar position to Adam Gase - there's confusion over how much of the offence is his and how much of the productivity come from having Andrew Luck. On the flip side some members of the (local mostly) media are wondering if the offence is held back by Paganos conservatism!

He's a smart guy - there's no doubt about that - and he's far more creative than people give him credit for IMO

mikemac1 · 28-01-2015 7:47pm

Associate head coach means nothing.

The Ravens special team coach Jerry Rosburg (I doubt any of ye ever heard his name) has that title for years. He will never get the top job

Jolly Red Giant · 29-01-2015 12:38pm

Broncos have hired Wade Phillips as Defensive Coordinator - the Broncos will transition from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defence (looking forward to seeing Von Miller take advantage)

adrian522 · 29-01-2015 12:45pm

The 49ers will name Geep Chryst as OC. It seems all the real coordinators wanted nothing to do with the 49ers or their incompetent front office.

It really does seem a case of no one else was available or interested, so they hire the guy who was there all along, they could have named him weeks ago but didn't so it's obvious he was plan B, C, D or whatever.

We have a staff full of rejects, we've just fired a staff that was historically good in NFL terms. But hey, at least now we'll be winning with class.

I think Eddie Said it best.

helimachoptor · 31-01-2015 12:40am

Tirana fire lake dawson apparently well regarded.
Pollard is pretty damn pissed going by what he's tweeted

Paully D · 31-01-2015 1:16am

helimachoptor wrote: »

Tirana fire lake dawson apparently well regarded.
Pollard is pretty damn pissed going by what he's tweeted

Hopefully the Titans release him as per his request and the Ravens take him back! :pac:

helimachoptor · 04-02-2015 3:38am

Dick Le Beau is now a Titan it seems according to the beat writers

Neil3030 · 04-02-2015 5:14am

World and its mother knew this was happening, but Dan Quinn has reached an agreement with the Falcons

Massive loss to the Seahawks but hopefully he gets the Falcons back to winning ways.

#Quinning

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