It is announced that Ireland WILL hold referendum on EU fiscal compact treaty

Biggins wrote: »

This could further turn the whole process into a right legal mess thats allI would suggest the best course of action is that he sign nothing till the public's wishes has become clear and he THEN has a clear mandate.

All the countries sign up to these things. All the signature means is the intention to become bound by the terms of the treaty when ratification has taken place. Each country ratifies in it's own way. Countries sign up to things all the time, especially at UN level. Non-proliferation treaties, treaties banning cluster bombs etc etc, but signing up to them effectively doesn't mean squat until the signature has been ratified. No legal mess, at the end of the day all countries recognise that the signature is that of one man, and has no legal effect until the ratification process has been completed.

Jehuty42 wrote: »

I'll be proudly voting yes. There is no alternative plan better than the current one to attempt to save Ireland from becoming a completely failed bankrupt state. It's a painful few years we're in for, but it is the best way to get ourselves back on our feet.

Ah, common sense

First mention of " in the National Interest" and I'm out

I have no fucking idea what is going on.

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

spoil vote?

how about adding a second question on the ballot paper

leave the eurozone?

My thoughts would be they should be asked to add a second question

" Should we continue to pay the bondholders of Anglo etc."

If that request was refused we could attempt to have another referendum.
To call a referendum we would need 155,000 signatures,could Boardsie members organise enough people to stand outside polling stations to collect signatures for a bondholder referendum?.
Would be priceless to see the politicians squirming.

Ghandee wrote: »

The outcome of this vote depends on our Govts ability to explain the fcuking thing in laymans terms.

They bamboozle the public with a load of supercalafragalisticexpeealydosis words, and its game over.

Explain the friggin thing so as I can make up my mind, and fully understand what it is I'm voting for, and you'll get the vote it deserves.

:cool:

Exactly, I just want to see the key points of the treaty, explained in short bullet points with to the point facts.

The treaty is :

Member states are obliged to keep their budget deficit below 3 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) and ensure their public debt does not exceed or is sufficiently declining towards 60 per cent of GDP.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0228/breaking46.html

Man, I really could do without months of "But they forced us to vote Yes!" "We'll be kicked out if we vote no!" "They said Yes to jobs!" "They said Yes to forced abortions!"

Is there any chance of people just being grown ups, educating themselves on what's actually in the treaty, cutting out the bull and then voting in the best interests of the country? Is that really something this country can't do?

Vote NO until the ECB take back their debt which belongs to them.

Does anyone find it ironic if the pact was in place before we nationalised the Bondholders debt, that this treaty would not allow us to nationalise this debt in the first place, as it would increase government borrowing above agreed levels

The euro surrendered gains to trade little changed against the dollar today after Taoiseach Enda Kenny said Ireland will hold a referendum on Europe's new fiscal treaty.

It will be the first vote on the German-led plan for stricter budget discipline across the European Union.

The euro was last at $1.3399, flat from the prior New York close.

"A vote against the euro zone fiscal pact would block Ireland from the euro zone bailout fund," said Christopher Vecchio, currency analyst at DailyFX in New York. "European leaders have warned that a 'no' vote would be a symbolic rejection of euro zone membership."
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0228/breaking43.html

Damned if you do , Damned if you dont

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Amazing how people already know how they will be voting No despite not knowing the question.

Yeah, those sneaky politicians might phrase the referendum as a double negative.

Referendum threads merged.

Pandaboy, only nmsvUE0JMSo should be within the youtube tags. Remove the rest of the URL.