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Christians should not celebrate Halloween.

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    #122
    Run_to_da_hills
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    Bit of an unfair generalisation there.
    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,then it is a duck


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    #123
    Owen
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Satan works through music lyrics

    How ironic that one of the CC's most poignant works of Music has the line "Suffer little children". Satan really worked his magic on that one!

    Obviously the above post is meant to jest, but it makes you think eh RTDH? When you have a mind as closed and as passionate about a cause as yours is, it is truly possible to see the bad in anything, and jump to conclusions quite easily.


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    #124
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    There is NO argument that Rap originated with the Devil's crowd

    What, black people?

    Yeah its about now I start tuning out and thanking Jesus I'm an atheist ... :rolleyes:


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    #125
    LouOB
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    Apologies to all but i have not come across any nake fun loving pagans parading around a bonfire on 'all hallows eve' ever though it would much delight some neighbourhoods and local teens.
    The plain fact here is that Halloween has come WAY too commercialised. Gone are the days when your mother poped a black bag on your head. It is just a money racket - thats where the evil lies. Why bend to your child/children/commericialism to spend $$$ on unless items. Come on.

    Id rather dance around naked at bonfire - ehehehehehehe (wicked witch laugh -why not)


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    #126
    djpbarry
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    LouOB wrote: »
    Id rather dance around naked at bonfire - ehehehehehehe (wicked witch laugh -why not)
    Second that.


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    #127
    mossieh
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    Some christian rap...oh dear:



    Meet the God who died for me enduring all the verbal mockery - Got to be cause He loves me like women love a shoppin’ spree - His agape be the love that got to me, He adopted me - Now I’m in the family and I’m God’s property - And periodically some youth will want to copy me - As I copy the Savior so no more living sloppily - And as I start to get wobbly, God’ll be - Mercy and Grace the ultimate team like cheese and broccoli - They make up for what we lack ‘cause of our poverty - Fills in the gaps and the cracks up in our pottery - I believe I’mma die for sure not probably - "Or you can get raptured" --- you’re right, possibly - But I’mma share my philosophy, logically - I know I don’t want hell Galapagos are too hot for me - If it’s not for free and salvation’s got a fee - I can’t stand it I’m like Titanic out to sea - Sure to be abandoned like bad stocks will be - But no need cause Christ hit the jackpot for me á That’s why I love Him.


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    #128
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    What, black people?

    Yeah its about now I start tuning out and thanking Jesus I'm an atheist ... :rolleyes:
    Just as Rap origionally incorporated hatred and rebellion into much of their music the same goes for much of metal and rock which has also originated from the Devils crowd, such as Led Zeppline, the Stones, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath (Ozzy Ozbourne) ETC. All of the above were greatly influenced by Aleister Cowley a well known Satanist .


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    #129
    LouOB
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    so'run to da hills' you are condoning fear tactics to be used in christianity but their kids cannot dress up for halloween or play bob the apple?

    but hippocritical then huh


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    #130
    Scofflaw
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote:
    Carol singing is also a scam with travellers and I would be wary of them.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    There is NO argument that Rap originated with the Devil's crowd, in the crime infested ghettos of New York, so what would you expect.

    Do you do 'tolerance' at all?

    curious,
    Scofflaw


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    #131
    djpbarry
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Just as Rap origionally incorporated hatred and rebellion into much of their music the same goes for much of metal and rock which has also originated from the Devils crowd, such as Led Zeppline, the Stones, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath (Ozzy Ozbourne) ETC. All of the above were greatly influenced by Aleister Cowley a well known Satanist .
    Led Zeppelin rock(ed).
    The Stones rock(ed).
    Iron Maiden ROCK!

    Guess that makes me a Satanist ;).


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    #132
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Just as Rap origionally incorporated hatred and rebellion into much of their music

    Which artists are you referring to specifically?


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    #133
    toiletduck
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    LouOB wrote: »
    Gone are the days when your mother poped a black bag on your head.

    Ah the good ol' pre-Celtic Tiger days. A bin bag with head and arm holes coupled with a mask bought in Dunnes the previous year.

    I don't see why Chrsitians shouldn't 'celebrate' Halloween, I mean as has been pointed out it did not originate as worshipping of Satan or whatever.


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    #134
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Do you do 'tolerance' at all?
    curious,
    Scofflaw
    I worked with travellers in the past, they are perhaps the most craftiest people in the country. Who else could plonk a caravan on the side of the road in Dunsink lane and end up with the cash price of a large detached house in Dublin a few years later while the rest of us are struggling.


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    #135
    LouOB
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    ahh but have you witnessed any pagan/satan activities other than their tv being larger than the caravan?


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    #136
    PDN
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    LouOB wrote: »
    but hippocritical then huh

    Prejudice against hippopotami? Such intolerance! ;)


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    #137
    LouOB
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    how can you be tolerant of hippocritcs?
    Its like a pun


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    #138
    Zombrex
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    the word is "hypocrite"


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    #139
    LouOB
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    ah well


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    #140
    PDN
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    LouOB wrote: »
    how can you be tolerant of hippocritcs?
    Its like a pun

    It's a wonderful pun. Very Gary Larson-esque.


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    #141
    Nevyn
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    Trick or treating or sharing the harvest never struck me as being particular pagan.
    Yes my children will be out in costume on the 31st but I find the 'stranger danger' accusations to be daft. They will be going to nieghbours houses accompanied by one of thier parents and the children of those neighbours will be calling here.

    It is a good way to connect with your niehgbours and those in your community ahead of the long winter to come.


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    #142
    Run_to_da_hills
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    Led Zeppelin rock(ed).
    The Stones rock(ed).
    Iron Maiden ROCK!

    Guess that makes me a Satanist ;).
    Been to the Stones, Maiden and Manson live myself in the past and still have probably nearly every album they had ever produced, however they are not my sceen anymore. I mentioned before that Nicko McBrain is supposingly a born again Christian, I cannot understand why he is still in the band. http://www.godscare.net/witness/Iron%20Maiden.htm


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    #143
    Owen
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I mentioned before that Nicko McBrain is supposingly a born again Christian, I cannot understand why he is still in the band.

    Maybe he feels that making people happy by playing the music they love is a Christian act indeed.


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    #144
    Zombrex
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I mentioned before that Nicko McBrain is supposingly a born again Christian, I cannot understand why he is still in the band.

    Probably because they aren't actually Satan worshipers ...


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    #145
    coffee_cake
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Just as Rap origionally incorporated hatred and rebellion into much of their music the same goes for much of metal and rock which has also originated from the Devils crowd, such as Led Zeppline, the Stones, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath (Ozzy Ozbourne) ETC. All of the above were greatly influenced by Aleister Cowley a well known Satanist .


    Singing a song about LOTR makes them devils crowd?
    lmao.


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    #146
    djpbarry
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Probably because they aren't actually Satan worshipers ...
    :eek:

    Say it isn't so!


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    #147
    Nevyn
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote:
    All of the above were greatly influenced by Aleister Cowley a well known Satanist

    Okay then, please cite your scources that Aleister Crowley was a satanist.


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    #148
    BrianCalgary
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    ned78 wrote: »
    How ironic that one of the CC's most poignant works of Music has the line "Suffer little children". Satan really worked his magic on that one!

    Obviously the above post is meant to jest, but it makes you think eh RTDH? When you have a mind as closed and as passionate about a cause as yours is, it is truly possible to see the bad in anything, and jump to conclusions quite easily.

    In this context the word 'suffer' means 'allow' or 'let'. The KJV uses suffer.

    In our modern day language the correct translation is 'let the children come to me'. The disciples were at the time preventing the children from what they thought was bothering Jesus. And Jesus response was 'let them come to me'.


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    #149
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Probably because they aren't actually Satan worshipers ...
    Why would one name a rock group after a spiked body case used to torture people to death?.

    Iron Maiden's favorite subjects to sing about are sorcery and savagery. Their fascination with the occult is evident on albums like "POWER SLAVE", which delves in Egyptian mysticism and magic. On their Album, "SEVENTH SON OF THE SEVENTH SON", lead singer and lyricist Bruce Dickinson belts out songs about demons and creatures of insanity. The album cover depicts Eddie, the Iron Maiden mascot symbolizing death, hovering above a gloomy civilization. In his hand he holds a ripped-out heart, which is also chained to his rib cage. http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://991.com/newGallery/Iron-Maiden-Seventh-Son-Of-A-338763.jpg&imgrefurl=http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp%3Fcatalogid%3D338763&h=350&w=342&sz=32&hl=en&start=7&um=1&tbnid=87SaZCKftQT9SM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=117&prev=/images%3Fq%3DIron%2BMaiden:%2B7Th%2BSon%2Bof%2Ba%2B7Th%2Bson%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN On the other side of the LP, Eddie writes in a journal by the light of monstrous candles with a crystal ball before him.

    Iron Maiden celebrates the number seven which astrologists credit as the number of the moon, in the SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON". In a song called, "THE CLAIRVOYANT", Dickinson relates the struggle between God and the devil for a telepathic child's soul.The boy falls in love with the devil's daughter and eventually kills himself in the song, "ONLY THE GOOD DIE YOUNG". Their first claim to fame was the album, "NUMBER OF THE BEAST", which featured a song dedicated tot he Antichrist.

    They burnt the Irish tri colour at a concert in the north back in the 80ies, they apologised for this, I accept their apologies and never had a problem playing their music however I almost ended up in a fight while playing them at a rock night over this. You can check for yourselves any of their the Lyrics. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Iron-Maiden-lyrics/66D2A1130B64E80D4825699D0029BD7D


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    #150
    Son Goku
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    PDN wrote: »
    The entire concept of trick or treating is that of the protection racket - give us what we want or we'll make you suffer in some way.
    Can I ask did any of you take part in Halloween as children? Even though you can abstract trick and treating and distill the concepts above, real trick or treating is only a mess/joke. I remember I used to go to my neighbours with my brother and sister and fool them with a puzzle.

    I understand Jimitime's point of being wary of it as a Christian. I just remember it being a day when my Dad used to try and scare us, then he'd take us around my hometown to get sweets. Usually dressed as Batman or some such. Afterwards we'd sit around the bonfire (which is lovely on a cold night). I always remember it as the most "innocent" childish fun I used to have. Which is why I find the way it's being discussed here as kind of odd.

    Again I understand Jimitime's point, that he is simply wary of it, due to God's instructions. However I think most of the other points being raised against Halloween are a bit over dramatic.


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    #151
    Asiaprod
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    Son Goku wrote: »
    Again I understand Jimitime's point, that he is simply wary of it, due to God's instructions. However I think most of the other points being raised against Halloween are a bit over dramatic.
    +1


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