Nokia Lumia 800

AntiVirus · 19-01-2012 11:18am

draffodx wrote: »

I can see why the OS gets praise, its smooth, sleek and runs incredibly well, for me the screen seems to sit weird on the device, it looks like it can pop out or something and the shape of the device isn't to my liking. Build quality is as ever with Nokia very good though.

That's fair enough, some people will like it and some people will not and as said above and the Windows Phone OS also may not be to some peoples liking.

If you're looking for a good introduction to Windows Phone programming look here:

http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/Windows-Phone-7-Development-for-Absolute-Beginners

hadoken13 · 19-01-2012 11:22am

draffodx wrote: »

Hoping to get the development tools down myself at the weekend and start on the hello world stuff also, do you know of any good resources for WP7 development?

Not a clue, haven't even looked into it to be honest. I'm more of a web developer but I will look to getting into WP development.

gvzAxle · 19-01-2012 12:56pm

draffodx wrote: »

Hoping to get the development tools down myself at the weekend and start on the hello world stuff also, do you know of any good resources for WP7 development?

First port of call is the App Hub.
The education centre has a decent collection of articles, tutorials and samples to get started with, and there's a good forum community there.

Not too sure what other good resources there are though.

evolutionqy7 · 19-01-2012 6:15pm

For any one developing a WP7 app id recommend looking at RadControls for Windows Phone.

This crowd telerik has made tools that are slick, fluid and just look great. I think theres an app on the marketplace basically showing all the functions and the code needed to implement it. Think its called telerik

The tools themselves cost but their def worth it. You can get a 60 day trial anyway

http://www.telerik.com/products/windows-phone.aspx

micko2009 · 19-01-2012 8:32pm

Don't want to put people off buying the Lumia when its released here on the 1st of Feb but I suggest you take a look at the discussions board on Nokias website. You will see the amount of issues people are having.

The main problem with my Lumia is the battery, the most common problem with everyone who got the first roll outs of the Lumia. Using the Nokia Diagnostics app you can see how much battery your phone charges to. So Mine only went to around 980mAh since I got the phone over 3 weeks ago. The battery fix update was released last night to most Lumia users via Zune. Seems better today but the capacity has gone up to 1380mAh now after full charge instead of the promised 1500+

I have to say my experience so far with the Lumia has been disappointing. The lack of feedback from Nokia has also been frustrating, you will notice this in the discussions section above. Also other issues I have noticed: The handset getting very hot under heavy load (I will monitor this since battery update) and the camera could be better.. I don't know enough about picture quality but have noticed other Lumia users on nokia.com reporting the same.

Again don't wanna put anyone off as the Lumia is a beautiful phone but it has issues. I would suggest to check With network providers what version software is preloaded before buying one when they are released in Ireland.

kmart6 · 19-01-2012 8:39pm

You can't judge the battery improvements on one day, it will take a couple of full battery drains and full charges to have it up to it's full potential, just like every battery!

Also, if the camera was that bad you'd notice yourself and wouldn't be going on other peoples word!

simi956 · 19-01-2012 9:14pm

micko2009 the lumia is due another firmware update in 2 weeks after the initial drop, so there is a good chance VF & O2 will have both firmwares installed

evolutionqy7 · 19-01-2012 9:23pm

micko2009 wrote: »

Don't want to put people off buying the Lumia when its released here on the 1st of Feb but I suggest you take a look at the discussions board on Nokias website. You will see the amount of issues people are having.

My Omnia 7 or any other phone i owned tbh got hot while under pressure.

Especially games and web browsing. You should try putting the screen brightness up to Max on a sgs2 and play a game on it.

It would be like a hot brick and you would see a warning that screen brightness was turned down to prevent overheating.

Samsung or HTC aren't any better at responding. That's the issue with all tech companies. They won't say anything till they have it fixed or if they will fix it.

Hopefully they will all be ready to be fixed by the time they hit the stores.

AntiVirus · 19-01-2012 9:49pm

micko2009 wrote: »

Don't want to put people off buying the Lumia when its released here on the 1st of Feb but I suggest you take a look at the discussions board on Nokias website. You will see the amount of issues people are having.

Pick any phone and go to their support site and you will find people with a string of problems.

micko2009 · 19-01-2012 10:13pm

AntiVirus wrote: »

Pick any phone and go to their support site and you will find people with a string of problems.

I'll wait again for future firmware updates I guess. Was just giving my personal experience with the Lumia. Maybe its my ignorance when it comes to beta testing a new phone but the Lumia does seem to have alot of initial bugs, maybe Nokia were under pressure to have it out before Christmas in some markets.

But in fairness If you rely on your phone for work aswell I found the battery issue annoying over the last few weeks, I don't have a spare microsim phone as a backup.

gvzAxle · 19-01-2012 10:22pm

micko2009 wrote: »

I'll wait again for future firmware updates I guess. Was just giving my personal experience with the Lumia. Maybe its my ignorance when it comes to beta testing a new phone but the Lumia does seem to have alot of initial bugs, maybe Nokia were under pressure to have it out before Christmas in some markets.

But in fairness If you rely on your phone for work aswell I found the battery issue annoying over the last few weeks, I don't have a spare microsim phone as a backup.

Thanks for sharing your experience, it's good to know about the cons as well as the pros, and it's especially useful to know what to enquire about before making a purchase. I'll definitely be asking about the firmware version and the battery issue before handing over my money. Fingers crossed Ireland gets a smoother launch as I really want one.

wheresmybeaver · 20-01-2012 10:24am

I ordered a Lumia from amazon.co.uk for my wife at the start of December and it shipped with the first major firmware update preinstalled. I think most battery and power issues exist fir the "first batch", but at least it seems amazon were shipping only second batch handsets. I would imagine the carrier branded handsets will be shipping at least second or third batch handsets. My wife has had no phone issues by the way, loves the new Nokia.

TBi · 20-01-2012 12:43pm

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

I ordered a Lumia from amazon.co.uk for my wife at the start of December and it shipped with the first major firmware update preinstalled. I think most battery and power issues exist fir the "first batch", but at least it seems amazon were shipping only second batch handsets. I would imagine the carrier branded handsets will be shipping at least second or third batch handsets. My wife has had no phone issues by the way, loves the new Nokia.

How is the audio out with headphones? Good quality?

AntiVirus · 20-01-2012 1:05pm

TBi wrote: »

How is the audio out with headphones? Good quality?

The headphones that come with the phone are ok for standard ones but they don't seem to sit in my ears that great when running or in the gym so I've splashed out and got myself a set of matching coloured Nokia Purity earphones.

I'll let you know how they compare once they arrive.

PaulieC · 20-01-2012 3:40pm

1st Feb on Vodafone
1st March on O2

simi956 · 20-01-2012 7:28pm

Where did you read it was the 1st March for O2, as there is no quote from Nokia Ireland around O2 yet

evolutionqy7 · 20-01-2012 7:45pm

simi956 wrote: »

Where did you read it was the 1st March for O2, as there is no quote from Nokia Ireland around O2 yet

Windows Phone IE said it on their Facebook page.

Oafley Jones · 21-01-2012 2:07pm

Just saw that Argos in the UK were selling this unlocked for £120. There are some lucky ****ers over there today.

AntiVirus · 21-01-2012 2:17pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Just saw that Argos in the UK were selling this unlocked for £120. There are some lucky ****ers over there today.

Holy ****! That's some offer!! :eek:

I think it maybe an error

RobertFoster · 21-01-2012 2:54pm

Turns out it wasn't an error. Great price, pity Argos IE don't sell phones too.

BostonB · 21-01-2012 3:00pm

It doesn't seem to be working or I'd order one.

AntiVirus · 21-01-2012 3:22pm

RobertFoster wrote: »

Turns out it wasn't an error. Great price, pity Argos IE don't sell phones too.

Turns out it is an error. Even in the article you've linked to The Verge say it may be an error. Then a poster confirmers it is an error.

RobertFoster · 21-01-2012 5:12pm

AntiVirus wrote: »

Turns out it is an error. Even in the article you've linked to The Verge say it may be an error. Then a poster confirmers it is an error.

I posted before update 2

kmart6 · 22-01-2012 4:16am

Just spotted this, so at least anyone getting it first with Vodafone should already have the update on their device or will get it straight away....

wheresmybeaver · 22-01-2012 4:04pm

TBi wrote: »

How is the audio out with headphones? Good quality?

Sorry only saw your question now.

Just tried out the Lumia 800 with my trusty Sony in-ear headphones and on initial listening the volume is good and the bass is ok. No hissing or drop outs or anything weird like that. Comparing side by side with my HD7 (same song obviously) I would have to say the HD7 has a slight edge in terms of bass - although I'm not running any HTC sound enhancements (never cared for it). If you enjoy your music bass-heavy, you might be disappointed with the lack of EQ-control on the Lumia. But from my point of view it's perfectly good.

If you're an audiophile then smartphone audo output may never be good enough ;-)

TBi · 22-01-2012 11:03pm

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

If you're an audiophile then smartphone audo output may never be good enough ;-)

I have been happy with the audio from my iPhone and HTC Trophy. I'm not that much of an audiophile but I heard that the lumia is bad in comparison. Besides the 16GB storage that would be the greatest deal breaker for me. Maybe when it is released in Ireland i'll be able to try out my headphones on it.

chrislad · 23-01-2012 12:02am

Due an upgrade in March and tempted by the 800 but I think I shall wait for the 900, unless it's a behemoth by comparison.

vicM · 23-01-2012 10:20am

chrislad wrote: »

Due an upgrade in March and tempted by the 800 but I think I shall wait for the 900, unless it's a behemoth by comparison.

The lumia 900 is 4.3 inch therefore sgs2 territory. WP7 looks better on a bigger screen in my opinion

vicM · 27-01-2012 4:51pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Slightly off topic but the metro interface looks class on a 24" screen in the Win 8 preview I was running.

I don't know..I have the preview as well and cannot say I'm a huge fan of the win8 layout tbvh but then it might just be I've gotten used to windows the way it was, change may have shocked me..one thing I noticed though, ISO compatibility inbuilt! Nice one MS.

BTW will Ireland be getting the an other colour schemes besides the black for the 800?

gvzAxle · 27-01-2012 5:00pm

Confirmation for the O2 release date:

http://community.o2online.ie/t5/General-Handset-Questions/Nokia-Lumia-800/td-p/431168

01/03/2012

A-Trak · 28-01-2012 3:29pm

Does anyone know how to lock the screen orientation?
Can't find an option anywhere and it's driving me nuts.

TBi · 28-01-2012 3:32pm

A-Trak wrote: »

Does anyone know how to lock the screen orientation?
Can't find an option anywhere and it's driving me nuts.

Not on WP7. Not sure why not. I miss it from iPhone.

A-Trak · 28-01-2012 3:44pm

TBi wrote: »

Not on WP7. Not sure why not. I miss it from iPhone.

Seriously?
That's a serious omission. I had it on my previous two androids & iPhone before that.
Without it, browsing whilst lying on the couch, bed a real pain.

Really hope it gets included in an update.

evolutionqy7 · 28-01-2012 4:12pm

A-Trak wrote: »

TBi wrote: »

Not on WP7. Not sure why not. I miss it from iPhone.

Seriously?
That's a serious omission. I had it on my previous two androids & iPhone before that.
Without it, browsing whilst lying on the couch, bed a real pain.

Really hope it gets included in an update.

Some 3rd party browsers have the option to lock the orientation. You could try them out

A-Trak · 28-01-2012 4:34pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Some 3rd party browsers have the option to lock the orientation. You could try them out

Will do cheers.
It's not just the browser, it's the all the sub menus in settings etc. Pain in the hole.

kmart6 · 28-01-2012 4:35pm

Wow, didn't know this, major reason not to buy WP so!

CyberGhost · 28-01-2012 4:47pm

TBi wrote: »

A-Trak wrote: »

Does anyone know how to lock the screen orientation?
Can't find an option anywhere and it's driving me nuts.

Not on WP7. Not sure why not. I miss it from iPhone.

So much missing from WP7, that OS is nowhere near iOS or Android in features.

AntiVirus · 28-01-2012 5:45pm

CyberGhost wrote: »

So much missing from WP7, that OS is nowhere near iOS or Android in features.

Android is full of malware, bugs, crashing, lagging, etc.. that you have to install a custom roms every week to fix it or buy an phone with a quad core chip to get it any where near running smoothly. Then in a week or 2 you'll need to install another rom to stop it from crashing or lagging.

WP7 may not have all the feature's that Android has but what it does do it does far better.

Move over to your Android forum and help other Android user's fix there crashing, lagging, slow, etc... Androids

evolutionqy7 · 28-01-2012 7:58pm

CyberGhost wrote: »

TBi wrote: »

A-Trak wrote: »

Does anyone know how to lock the screen orientation?
Can't find an option anywhere and it's driving me nuts.

Not on WP7. Not sure why not. I miss it from iPhone.

So much missing from WP7, that OS is nowhere near iOS or Android in features.

Lol so not having a rotation button is one missing feature. Not many. Every single smartphone has pretty much the same feature set.

Considering the majority of the is is designed for portrait use its not needed that much. Most people don't even know you can turn rotation off.

Even on windows phone 7 user voice no one cares about rotation otherwise it would be on a highly requested list.

As above ill swap my sensation for any windows phone in a sec. Its much faster, elegant and most of all stable.

If your looking for an OS that can be customized to bits this isn't really for you unless you have a dev unlocked phone.

This is for simple average consumer that wants features without making the phone complicated. I'm sure it will eventually be included. Not a massive thing really.

TBi · 29-01-2012 12:35am

A-Trak wrote: »

Will do cheers.
It's not just the browser, it's the all the sub menus in settings etc. Pain in the hole.

Maybe but it never goes past landscape (I.E. if the phone is upside down then it's still landscape) so it hasn't been an issue for me. I was really annoyed with my iPhone before it got the rotation lock because it would rotate all the time.

Ronan H · 30-01-2012 11:36am

Are apps for this phone available through the Nokia Store or through Windows Marketplace?

TBi · 30-01-2012 11:55am

Ronan H wrote: »

Are apps for this phone available through the Nokia Store or through Windows Markeplace?

Windows Marketplace. It says this in all the reviews.

Ronan H · 30-01-2012 12:23pm

TBi wrote: »

Windows Marketplace. It says this in all the reviews.

OK fair enough, that information is available in the reviews, and I admit I haven't read a lot of them, but I do sometimes prefer a forum as a dynamic point of information because it stimulates discussion. A review is a static source, and generally doesn't interest me when choosing a product. Yes I could have found the information easily elsewhere but I enjoy the discussion that usually ensues when forum based mediums are used. Discussion is king. I have ordered one of these phones based on this discussion, not a review! That is why this is king.

I'm sure a lot of the information in this thread is available in reviews and elsewhere, but sometimes that's not the point. People want to come here because it is alive, and if people always went to reviews and elsewhere to find information then Boards wouldn't be quite as popular.

Thank you for answering my question nonetheless. I think.

TBi · 30-01-2012 1:03pm

Ronan H wrote: »

I'm sure a lot of the information in this thread is available in reviews and elsewhere, but sometimes that's not the point. People want to come here because it is alive, and if people always went to reviews and elsewhere to find information then Boards wouldn't be quite as popular.

I prefer forums to be filled with personal experiences of the items. It's a useful place to find information not usually found elsewhere. Maybe some comparisons, maybe how the item worked with other devices. A way to get information from people who live with the item.

I personally find it annoying to have to filter through a whole load of comments to find the one or two useful ones.

An example of this would be the audio quality of the Lumia, all the reviews say it is good but the forums talk about how bad it is. Forums can expand on this conversation and bring light to a topic that hadn't been covered. However this important piece of information can be lost in a sea of questions that don't need a forum to answer.

quad_red · 30-01-2012 4:30pm

AntiVirus wrote: »

Android is full of malware, bugs, crashing, lagging, etc.. that you have to install a custom roms every week to fix it or buy an phone with a quad core chip to get it any where near running smoothly. Then in a week or 2 you'll need to install another rom to stop it from crashing or lagging.

Mmmm. I've got a single core SE Arc S and it's pretty smooth and has no more bugs than my previous iphone.

I almost bought an LG WP7 from Amazon Germany (the one that was in bargain alerts) before Christmas. Would still like to give WP7 a whirl. Sat beside a really sound MS employee who worked on the phone team on a flight from the US last October. Really interesting guy and a really convincing advocate for the platform!

Has anyone used the 800 with a mac ( http://itunes.apple.com/ie/app/windows-phone-7-connector/id415571499?mt=12 )

I find the Android integration with macs appalling. Double twist really doesn't work well at all.

TBi · 30-01-2012 5:01pm

quad_red wrote: »

Has anyone used the 800 with a mac ( http://itunes.apple.com/ie/app/windows-phone-7-connector/id415571499?mt=12 )

WP7 is supposed to work well with a mac. Integrates with iTunes. I actually wish i could use iTunes with own Trophy sometimes

I have a mac but use it with my PC because that's where i store the majority of my music.

evolutionqy7 · 30-01-2012 5:25pm

quad_red wrote: »

Has anyone used the 800 with a mac ( http://itunes.apple.com/ie/app/windows-phone-7-connector/id415571499?mt=12 )

I find the Android integration with macs appalling. Double twist really doesn't work well at all.

Yeah double twist isn't the best thing ever. I use it with W7 and a Sensation. It works. But the PC app is slow. UI is quite hard to navigate too. Hard to find how to do stuff on it.

The connector works well from the people giving feedback here at least anyway

chrislad · 30-01-2012 6:03pm

I never used an 800 with a Mac but I have used the Omnia 7. You downloaded the Windows Phone Connector from the Mac App Store and just create a playlist in iTunes and sync that. Fairly straightforward.

quad_red · 30-01-2012 10:15pm

Cheers guys.

Definitely interested in taking a look.

Corruptedmorals · 31-01-2012 3:28am

gvzAxle wrote: »

Confirmation for the O2 release date:

http://community.o2online.ie/t5/General-Handset-Questions/Nokia-Lumia-800/td-p/431168

01/03/2012

Brilliant, the windows phone facebook had this date a while ago but nice to hear it from o2.

A staff member in o2 said anything other than black is extremely unlikely, but also said Carphone Warehouse almost always go for colours so they're the better option. I might be weird but I just wouldn't buy a black phone. Also said plans will be cheaper than iphone plans- €300 worst case scenario, should be in and around €220 and that it will be €500ish as a prepay.

Nokia Lumia 800

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