Windows Phone 8 (codename Apollo)

evolutionqy7 · 26-06-2012 6:10pm

gman2k wrote: »

Don't call me a troll, I'm a Windows Phone owner, but slightly annoyed by MS and all their talk about Apollo, which will not be available to any existing owner.
An equally disparaging term is fanboy.

Look its the exact same thing Apple, HTC and Samsung do to their phones, Motorola even goes as far as making a statement that they wont issue updates due to performance issues.

What does Apple do for iPhone, it says you will get the update, but doesn't tell you which part of it you will get, remember iPhone 4 and no Siri and other small stuff that got people going.

HTC and their Sense 3.6 to their latest Sensation rather than the full baked 4.0 Sense update.

Samsung and their half baked TouchWiz update for the S2.

Nothing ever gets updated fully.

Yeah I know its a bummer, but when you have switched enough phones and platforms you'll see that every one is doing it.

After all the only thing we know now that 7.8 will feel and look like WP8. The only thing that existing user wont be able to get is apps that are designed for Windows Phone 8 only, due to the fact that it runs of a different core, but that doesn't mean developers wont make these apps compatible, either way all the apps that are available now, still will be and will continue to grow.

7.8 is better than just being left with nothing at all, at least were going to get it, and not be left out like some Android phones.

Odaise Gaelach · 17-07-2012 4:46pm

Screen capture support is rumoured to be coming to Windows Phone 8.

Can't say I'd use this much myself. Still though, it would be a nice addition.

evolutionqy7 · 17-07-2012 4:55pm

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

Screen capture support is rumoured to be coming to Windows Phone 8.

Can't say I'd use this much myself. Still though, it would be a nice addition.

Meh its only ever good for posting weather forecasts on Facebook of "good" coming weather

I want a HD display. Hope Samsung is going to bring the good windows phones here this year. Id still trade my Titan to Focus S any day. I just hope it doesn't remotely look like the SGS3. I just cant stand the ugly shape of that or the ugly color choices

AngryLips · 17-07-2012 5:23pm

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

Screen capture support is rumoured to be coming to Windows Phone 8.

Can't say I'd use this much myself. Still though, it would be a nice addition.

This is the one feature I miss the most from iPhone. Any word on whether it will be hardware dependant like with Android?

Odaise Gaelach · 18-07-2012 12:04am

AngryLips wrote: »

This is the one feature I miss the most from iPhone. Any word on whether it will be hardware dependant like with Android?

I can't imagine it being hardware-dependant.

evolutionqy7 · 18-07-2012 2:06am

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

AngryLips wrote: »

This is the one feature I miss the most from iPhone. Any word on whether it will be hardware dependant like with Android?

I can't imagine it being hardware-dependant.

I can't imagine it either. Still could be disabled for lower end handsets. There's still so much we don't know about WP8 and what's gonna happen with lower end phones, especially tango handsets or what's going to be the wp8 low end handsets?

I know this secrecy thing is keeping competition out of the loop, but its making everyone anxious. After all it was a bit of a shock when last year mango beta features ended up in competing platforms.

AngryLips · 18-07-2012 9:27am

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

I can't imagine it being hardware-dependant.

On Andriod it is hardware dependant; that's the reason why some phones running the same version of Android as others are not able to perform screen grabs

TBi · 18-07-2012 1:50pm

AngryLips wrote: »

On Andriod it is hardware dependant; that's the reason why some phones running the same version of Android as others are not able to perform screen grabs

I'm a bit lost. How can it be hardware dependent to write the GPU buffer to memory/file?

The CPU can read/write GPU memory and the CPU can read/write flash. I'm pretty sure you can install a screenshot app on any rooted android phone.

As they say on wikipedia [CITATION NEEDED]!

AngryLips · 18-07-2012 2:51pm

TBi wrote: »

I'm a bit lost. How can it be hardware dependent to write the GPU buffer to memory/file?

The CPU can read/write GPU memory and the CPU can read/write flash. I'm pretty sure you can install a screenshot app on any rooted android phone.

As they say on wikipedia [CITATION NEEDED]!

I find it hard to believe too but it doesn't change the fact that the functionality to take screenshots that is native to the Android OS works on some hardware and not on others. I'm not talking about the same functionality that is not native to the OS such as what's available via Marketplace apps.

Odaise Gaelach · 18-07-2012 3:03pm

Maybe it's not a physical hardware limitation, but a limitation of how the vendor has implemented Android on their device...?

stevenmu · 18-07-2012 3:25pm

Is it just something as simple as having the relevant hardware buttons available? With Android in use on such a variety of devices, maybe some have a button (a camera button perhaps?) that others don't.

If it's not that, then it's most likely a driver issue. Some drivers may not allow the type of direct buffer access that the feature uses, or some drivers may expose an API that it uses while others do not.

TBi · 18-07-2012 3:25pm

AngryLips wrote: »

I find it hard to believe too but it doesn't change the fact that the functionality to take screenshots that is native to the Android OS works on some hardware and not on others. I'm not talking about the same functionality that is not native to the OS such as what's available via Marketplace apps.

I'd be more likely to believe that people without sufficient understanding of the situation have said it's a hardware limitation, when in fact it is just a limitation in software. Due to the version of Android not supporting it, or it being disabled.

Again, unless you cite your sources, i can't believe there is actually a hardware physical limitation. It seems like an artificial software limitation.

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

Maybe it's not a physical hardware limitation, but a limitation of how the vendor has implemented Android on their device...?

I can see this as being why, but there isn't any physical hardware limitation that i can see.

TBi · 18-07-2012 3:28pm

stevenmu wrote: »

Is it just something as simple as having the relevant hardware buttons available? With Android in use on such a variety of devices, maybe some have a button (a camera button perhaps?) that others don't.

If it's not that, then it's most likely a driver issue. Some drivers may not allow the type of direct buffer access that the feature uses, or some drivers may expose an API that it uses while others do not.

Definitely could be a driver issue, but then again this is a software limitation not a hardware one.

Regarding the buttons, this is more a feature of implementation and while you may not be able to take a snapshot using a button combination the hardware would still support a 'soft' method of triggering a snapshot.

evolutionqy7 · 18-07-2012 8:54pm

Ok as far as I remember from Gingerbread if not ICS Google had an API on Android in which apps could tap into in order to take a screen shot.

I think its more of a code level thing for manufacturers to implement natively rather a hardware thing. I wouldn't expect OEM's to implement it into lower end or mid end phones cause software wise it takes extra time.

Its always been available for Android via homebrew so I really don't think it could be a hardware dependent functionality. I could expect lower end phone never having (for now) because it would take up extra resources. It might look like a small thing, but when you add all the features it makes a difference.

JerryHispano · 18-07-2012 9:22pm

In ICS it is a native function, before that it was done on a manufacturer/custom rom basis. I would find it hard to believe any manufacturer would disable it from 4.0-on.

Anyway, I would be interested in WP8 if it turns out to be hackable easily, but I'll probably be sticking to my Cyanogenmod.

evolutionqy7 · 27-07-2012 10:56am

Here we go

Some fresh screen shots of WP8 features

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012/07/27/new-windows-phone-8-features-detailed/

Enjoy

Im excited now :P

Odaise Gaelach · 27-07-2012 12:05pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Here we go Some fresh screen shots of WP8 features

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012/07/27/new-windows-phone-8-features-detailed/

Enjoy Im excited now :P

Me too!

AntiVirus · 27-07-2012 2:35pm

Plenty more screenshots here:

http://wp7.hu/2012/07/26/windows-phone-8-emulator-screenshotok-omlesztve/

evolutionqy7 · 27-07-2012 2:46pm

AntiVirus wrote: »

Plenty more screenshots here:

http://wp7.hu/2012/07/26/windows-phone-8-emulator-screenshotok-omlesztve/

Doesn't seem to work anymore

AntiVirus · 27-07-2012 3:28pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Doesn't seem to work anymore

Working fine for me on IE9

TBi · 27-07-2012 4:11pm

AntiVirus wrote: »

Working fine for me on IE9

I think it was just overwhelmed for a while. Probably too many people interested in it

AntiVirus · 27-07-2012 4:17pm

TBi wrote: »

I think it was just overwhelmed for a while. Probably too many people interested in it

Maybe so...

Anyway here's a nice video clip of some of the new features you'll find on WP8

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/27/3193023/windows-phone-8-backup-xbox-music-data-sense-screenshots-video

evolutionqy7 · 27-07-2012 8:19pm

They seem to have ticked of many of my wanted features tbh.

I do hope that the quad core WP8 handsets don't come out too late next year. It would be best if they came out before 2013 here. I really don't wanna settle for dual core one

Odaise Gaelach · 28-07-2012 6:08pm

So it seems that Windows Phone 7 tiles can't be expanded to the wide tile format on the Start screen, but they can be shrunk down to the smaller size. Which makes sense; the wide tile format is to be used as a sort-of bigger live tile, not just some static tile taking up a lot of space.

Most likely the 720P screen size won't present a problem to Windows Phone 7 apps. Things seem to scale up very neatly. In fact the only major artefact is that there is a empty gap between the top of the screen and the top of the app (the apps are vertically aligned to the bottom of the screen). It's noticeable, but it doesn't ruin the overall look and feel of a Windows Phone 7 app on the new OS.

So, yes, it looks like Windows Phone is going to mature as an OS even more in 8.0 than 7.5.

evolutionqy7 · 30-07-2012 8:54am

Two potential dual core Samsung Windows Phone 8 handsets from Samsung vs Apple court case!

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/30/3201323/samsung-odyssey-marco-windows-phone-8-devices

KingOfFairview · 05-08-2012 10:14am

Anyone care to hazard a guess on the price range of the new Nokia win8 phones? I'm hoping to get one as an upgrade from Vodafone, but wonder what the retail price will be anyhow...

kirving · 05-08-2012 1:37pm

If it's a waterproof Quad Core Lumia PureView with a 4" screen, FM transmitter, etc, etc. I'd be delighted to pay a bit more than usual!

Although this could be one of Nokia's biggest opportunities ever, and they really need to impress, I amn't holding out much hope.

evolutionqy7 · 05-08-2012 7:33pm

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Anyone care to hazard a guess on the price range of the new Nokia win8 phones? I'm hoping to get one as an upgrade from Vodafone, but wonder what the retail price will be anyhow...

I think it will be in line with the rest of the smartphones, but I presume there will be lower and higher end phones.

If I remember right dual core phones are going to come out first and then quad core in early 2013. So there will be a couple of different prices to chose from.

I really wonder whats going to go on in the low end line of phones. Lumia 610 is becoming very redundant now due to the debut of the Galaxy Ace 2. Price wise on contract and some PAYG networks the price is nearly the same but specs fall behind.

KingOfFairview · 06-08-2012 11:39am

I have a Lumia 610 and it's a good phone - but it does fall down on a few points, I'm very conscious of the fact it's a low-end phone. The Win8 Nokias will support memory cards, I hope they have other basic stuff like notifications lights and so on. It's the little things...

evolutionqy7 · 06-08-2012 7:16pm

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I have a Lumia 610 and it's a good phone - but it does fall down on a few points, I'm very conscious of the fact it's a low-end phone. The Win8 Nokias will support memory cards, I hope they have other basic stuff like notifications lights and so on. It's the little things...

Notification lights were always supported. I had it on my HD2, HD7 and my Titan

Well memory card will help them include smaller size internal memory and push the cost down.

Lumia 610 is still one of the best handsets on prepay. Meteor and eMobile have it for 149 euro. Vodafone has it for 179.99 and its the same price as the rest of the middle end phones.

Its not so good on O2 only for whatever reason its 220 on that

KingOfFairview · 06-08-2012 11:11pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Notification lights were always supported. I had it on my HD2, HD7 and my Titan

Yeah, I consider them a very basic feature TBH. I cannot for the life of me understand why Nokia had them for the c7 (my previous phone) and not the Lumias.

evolutionqy7 · 06-08-2012 11:50pm

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Yeah, I consider them a very basic feature TBH. I cannot for the life of me understand why Nokia had them for the c7 (my previous phone) and not the Lumias.

There's a lot of thing we don't understand about the Lumia's. Beside the devices appearances there's nothing really attracting you to buy one.

They didn't bring out the best camera possible, they didn't have the best battery life, they didn't include the best screen and not the best speakers.

The screen on the Lumia 800 is gorgeous but the pentile matrix makes the PPI worse than my Titan. Not including a bsi sensor was a huge mistake, it would probably have made it one of the best camera's few tweaks would have helped. Its still a pretty good camera though.

One thing they could bring from their old XpressMusic line is good stereo speakers. HTC always had bad speakers in their phones but even my Titan has better speakers, more bass and less screeching, and why is it so hard to fit a huge battery in? Motorola could do it. Why cant they fit a bigger one to make it last long.

If they fix all of these when apollo takes off they might see me come back. My mum's pretty happy with her 800, I wouldn't be, and for once im glad I did some research.

Yeah and LED notification light would be nice too.

/rantover

Odaise Gaelach · 10-08-2012 12:10pm

Dunno if the new Nokia Windows Phone 8 will be to your liking then: it appears to be almost exactly the same as the Lumia. Though it's (allegedly) going to have a dual-core processor and 4G support.

http://www.pluggedin.co.uk/article/nokia-phi-windows-phone-8-what-you-need-to-know

Also, HTC are rumoured to be working on three new Windows Phone 8s. Should be interesting!

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1529828/htc_windows_phone_8_smartphones_arriving_in_september.html

KingOfFairview · 11-08-2012 10:10am

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

Dunno if the new Nokia Windows Phone 8 will be to your liking then: it appears to be almost exactly the same as the Lumia. Though it's (allegedly) going to have a dual-core processor and 4G support.

http://www.pluggedin.co.uk/article/nokia-phi-windows-phone-8-what-you-need-to-know

Also, HTC are rumoured to be working on three new Windows Phone 8s. Should be interesting!

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1529828/htc_windows_phone_8_smartphones_arriving_in_september.html

There's four new ones on the way, so maybe one model will suit you

AngryLips · 11-08-2012 11:26am

Is anyone else hesitant to upgrade to a non-Nokia WP8 phone given that Microsoft have a closer relationship to them than any of the other manufacturers?

KingOfFairview · 11-08-2012 12:33pm

AngryLips wrote: »

Is anyone else hesitant to upgrade to a non-Nokia WP8 phone given that Microsoft have a closer relationship to them than any of the other manufacturers?

I'd go for a Nokia anyway but I know what you mean. They are going to get prioritised, especially if they sell well (and I suspect they will).

Diddy Kong · 11-08-2012 5:10pm

AngryLips wrote: »

Is anyone else hesitant to upgrade to a non-Nokia WP8 phone given that Microsoft have a closer relationship to them than any of the other manufacturers?

I know the main reason that I will be moving to a Nokia WP8 from my Titan is because Nokia actually seem to care about the platform and the phone. There are so many issues with the Titan that could be fixed but are not! Really thats the only thing that has turned me away from HTC, otherwise they make a great phone.

AngryLips · 11-08-2012 6:10pm

Diddy Kong wrote: »

I know the main reason that I will be moving to a Nokia WP8 from my Titan is because Nokia actually seem to care about the platform and the phone. There are so many issues with the Titan that could be fixed but are not! Really thats the only thing that has turned me away from HTC, otherwise they make a great phone.

Ya I'm of the same mind, I'm not really too keen on buying from a manufacturer that will simply repackage an android handset to run WP8

evolutionqy7 · 29-08-2012 6:40pm

First Windows Phone 8 device announced by Samsung. Its called Ativ S

4.8 HD Super Amoled screen, dual core processor with 1GB ram. 16 or 32 GB storage + micro SD card slot

Despite looking OK on spec side it looks quite boring. Has quite a big battery in there to support the screen size.

AlmightyCushion · 29-08-2012 8:01pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

First Windows Phone 8 device announced by Samsung. Its called Ativ S

4.8 HD Super Amoled screen, dual core processor with 1GB ram. 16 or 32 GB storage + micro SD card slot

Despite looking OK on spec side it looks quite boring. Has quite a big battery in there to support the screen size.

I hope they make a version with a smaller screen. 4.8" is a little too big for me.

evolutionqy7 · 29-08-2012 11:37pm

It looks like an OK phone. Nothing to oooh and ahhhh about and yes they are making the screens way too big. As far as I remember Nokia said they were a firm believer that 4.3 is max that should be on a phone. Hope they stick to it. Would love to see a feature packed HD phone with a great camera and a 4" HD clear black non pen tile matrix screen.

Alanstrainor · 29-08-2012 11:48pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

It looks like an OK phone. Nothing to oooh and ahhhh about and yes they are making the screens way too big. As far as I remember Nokia said they were a firm believer that 4.3 is max that should be on a phone. Hope they stick to it. Would love to see a feature packed HD phone with a great camera and a 4" HD clear black non pen tile matrix screen.

That pretty much sums up what I want. Camera, 4.3"ish great screen, and WP8

AntiVirus · 30-08-2012 12:15am

Alanstrainor wrote: »

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

It looks like an OK phone. Nothing to oooh and ahhhh about and yes they are making the screens way too big. As far as I remember Nokia said they were a firm believer that 4.3 is max that should be on a phone. Hope they stick to it. Would love to see a feature packed HD phone with a great camera and a 4" HD clear black non pen tile matrix screen.

That pretty much sums up what I want. Camera, 4.3"ish great screen, and WP8

I think you'll find what you're looking for on the 5th of September. Its looking very likely there'll be a new Nokia Lumia Pureview then

evolutionqy7 · 30-08-2012 12:41am

AntiVirus wrote: »

Alanstrainor wrote: »

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

It looks like an OK phone. Nothing to oooh and ahhhh about and yes they are making the screens way too big. As far as I remember Nokia said they were a firm believer that 4.3 is max that should be on a phone. Hope they stick to it. Would love to see a feature packed HD phone with a great camera and a 4" HD clear black non pen tile matrix screen.

That pretty much sums up what I want. Camera, 4.3"ish great screen, and WP8

I think you'll find what you're looking for on the 5th of September. Its looking very likely there'll be a new Nokia Lumia Pureview then

Let's hope so. Lumia 800 was a great and still is a great phone in design. Probably the nicest phone out there. It just lack behind so far in specs. Let's hope they bring out the same great design with all the features one would wantand I'm sold.

Great design, good hardware and good battery life + reception and they would have a killer product.

If Nokia don't pack stuff in one good phone, then Atis S probably will be the phone that will replace my S3.

I'm staying away from HTC after my Titan...

rolion · 30-08-2012 10:20pm

My Christmas resolution : get Samsung Note 2...and... Ativ !

evolutionqy7 · 30-08-2012 10:40pm

rolion wrote: »

My Christmas resolution : get Samsung Note 2...and... Ativ !

Not the Note 2... 4.7" is pushing it already. I just can't understand peoples desire for it.

I wouldn't set your mind for camp Samsung either. I would wait to see what Nokia is bringing out. I don't expect anything special from camp HTC anyway.

I'm mostly excited to see what low end handsets are going to be like. Android got popular due to its price point. Lately I've been seen more and more Lumia's. Mainly 610's and a lot of 800's. I think Vodafone Lumia 610 is also €129.99 now so that should penetrate the lower end market even better.

rolion · 30-08-2012 10:50pm

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

I'm staying away from HTC after my Titan...

What's the story for you Titan experience !??

evolutionqy7 · 30-08-2012 11:10pm

rolion wrote: »

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

I'm staying away from HTC after my Titan...

What's the story for you Titan experience !??

Problems with screen, rebooting. Got it replaced eventually.

I like HTC but ever since I had HD2 the quality or how good the phones are seems to be going down. HD7 was a horrible horrible phone. Titan was great in the start but failed to work without faults for less than half a year since I got it.

Inquitus · 31-08-2012 1:01am

The Sammy Win8 phone is largely just a slightly ****ter version of the SGS3 in the same form factor and 6 months late to market.

rolion · 31-08-2012 1:28am

Inquitus wrote: »

The Sammy Win8 phone is largely just a slightly ****ter version of the SGS3 in the same form factor and 6 months late to market.

Sammy !?? Win8 !?? ...late to market !?? 6 months !??
...but...
Windows 8 hasn't been launched yet !!

PS
do you own a prototype !? Or, just personal "iFeeling" !?

PPS
love it,from the photos and description...

rgds

Windows Phone 8 (codename Apollo)

Comments