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*Everything HPAT and Medicine 2014*

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    #1112
    sillydog10
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sillydog10


    I'm not that either for the record :)


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    #1113
    Raspberry Fileds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Raspberry Fileds


    spurious wrote: »
    Mod note:
    A number of posters posting in this thread about great improvements in HPAT scores are all coming from the one IP.

    Please be very wary of believing everything in this thread, particularly anything extolling the virues of a revision course.

    They were making spurious claims. I vote they be named and shamed!


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    #1114
    sleepyheadh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 582 ✭✭✭sleepyheadh


    Raspberry Fileds wrote: »
    They were making spurious claims. I vote they be named and shamed!

    absolutely.. Seems to make perfect sense to name the people so that people can at least make an informed decision.


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    #1115
    AtomicKoala
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    spurious wrote: »
    Mod note:
    A number of posters posting in this thread about great improvements in HPAT scores are all coming from the one IP.

    Please be very wary of believing everything in this thread, particularly anything extolling the virues of a revision course.
    Jesus, really?

    Some people have no shame, I can see why said course's name was added to the expletive list.


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    #1116
    randylonghorn
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 29,509 Mod ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    AtomicKoala wrote: »
    Some people have no shame, I can see why said course's name was added to the expletive list.
    Oh, believe me, it was much much worse when that step was taken.


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    #1117
    itsmawadii
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭itsmawadii


    Nothing much we can do now, so I suppose we play the waiting game...


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    #1118
    sillydog10
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sillydog10


    itsmawadii wrote: »
    Nothing much we can do now, so I suppose we play the waiting game...

    The 45 day long waiting game...


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    #1119
    emma35
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭emma35


    I know that most UK colleges specify that leaving cert results have to be obtained on the first attempt, but Queens only says that about the A levels. Has anyone any idea if it is the same there as regards the leaving ?


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    #1120
    Iamtheduchess
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Iamtheduchess


    Hi just enquiring if anyone knew of any med schools in Scotland/England that don't require an A in Junior Cert science?
    Thanks


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    #1121
    itsmawadii
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭itsmawadii


    Aaaand then there was silence. Ah well, only another 35 days to go..


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    #1122
    Emma_O25
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Emma_O25


    Hey guys, not meaning to sound annoying but with a HPAT of 179 (90th centile) what are the lowest LC points you reckon I need to get in to Cork/Galway? Just so I see if I have any chance at all! Thanks


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    #1123
    sleepyheadh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 582 ✭✭✭sleepyheadh


    Emma_O25 wrote: »
    Hey guys, not meaning to sound annoying but with a HPAT of 179 (90th centile) what are the lowest LC points you reckon I need to get in to Cork/Galway? Just so I see if I have any chance at all! Thanks

    anything around 550 as usual.


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    #1124
    back to back
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭back to back


    now that we know the" supply and demand"-(the number of cao applications for medicine post july 1st is 2873 ( i.e. decrease of 7.8%) and the no.of places has been adjusted to 483 total for the 5 medical schools
    does anyone want to predict the cao points and perhaps their reasoning ????


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    #1125
    sillydog10
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sillydog10


    back to back wrote: »
    now that we know the" supply and demand"-(the number of cao applications for medicine post july 1st is 2873 ( i.e. decrease of 7.8%) and the no.of places has been adjusted to 483 total for the 5 medical schools
    does anyone want to predict the cao points and perhaps their reasoning ????

    Where is the sources on the number of seats this year? Is it down/up from last year?


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    #1126
    back to back
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭back to back


    yesterdays irish times -brian mooney (education correspondent ) got the figures


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    #1127
    sunnydee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭sunnydee


    back to back wrote: »
    now that we know the" supply and demand"-(the number of cao applications for medicine post july 1st is 2873 ( i.e. decrease of 7.8%) and the no.of places has been adjusted to 483 total for the 5 medical schools
    does anyone want to predict the cao points and perhaps their reasoning ????

    NUIG: 729
    UCC: 732
    RCSI:731
    UCD: 737
    Trinity: 739

    This is based on the fact that it's (almost) certain there'll be a 10 (if not 11) point drop across the board due to the change in hpat percentiles. What are you thinking?


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    #1128
    egg head
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭egg head


    hi back to back,
    I wonder where did he get the figures? I asked HPAT earlier on this year how many sat the exams and I was told 2650.


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    #1129
    Raspberry Fileds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Raspberry Fileds


    I'm never particularly impressed by Brian Mooney's analysis. In the article that back to back mentions, Mooney says that the reduction in "demand (he doesn't specify whether that refers to First Preferences or to any mention) can be attributed to students dropping this option having realised their HPAT test score, received in late June, put them out of the race for a place". Given that last year's Hpat results also came out before the CAO deadline, that explanation doesn't carry much weight.

    It seems Mooney has access to the final applicant statistics. Does anyone know if they are available publicly?


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    #1130
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    egg head wrote: »
    hi back to back,
    I wonder where did he get the figures? I asked HPAT earlier on this year how many sat the exams and I was told 2650.
    You don't have to do the hpat to apply for medicine . This could explain the difference in numbers. Think of mature students and others.


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    #1131
    Raspberry Fileds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Raspberry Fileds


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    You don't have to do the hpat to apply for medicine . This could explain the difference in numbers. Think of mature students and others.

    If I understand you correctly, you pointed out that one needn't have done the Hpat in order to put Medicine as one of their choices - even though they do not, therefore, meet all the entry requiremnts. That's correct, but it seems unlikely that many would do that in large numbers.

    Mature students are still required to have done the Hpat, and only results from pre-2013 can be used instead of ones from year of application - again, that would hardly account for a sizeable disparity between the two numbers.


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    #1132
    sillydog10
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sillydog10


    egg head wrote: »
    hi back to back,
    I wonder where did he get the figures? I asked HPAT earlier on this year how many sat the exams and I was told 2650.
    Did you ask them before the July deadline? If what they said is true then the articles claims that 2872 have med number one(or on their cao? article doesn't seem to specify) is absolutely ridiculous. There is no way that more people put med on their cao after the change of mind, unless everyone who got 75+ decided to keep med off of their cao until the change of mind which isn't very possible since you have to have one med course on your cao to actually sit the hpat, but like all things ACER/HPAT related, we'll probably never get a definitive answer.


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    #1133
    back to back
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭back to back


    Raspberry Fileds wrote: »
    I'm never particularly impressed by Brian Mooney's analysis. In the article that back to back mentions, Mooney says that the reduction in "demand (he doesn't specify whether that refers to First Preferences or to any mention) can be attributed to students dropping this option having realised their HPAT test score, received in late June, put them out of the race for a place". Given that last year's Hpat results also came out before the CAO deadline, that explanation doesn't carry much weight.

    It seems Mooney has access to the final applicant statistics. Does anyone know if they are available publicly?

    i agree his analysis is sub-optimal!!!
    the cao medicine applicants number pre july 1st was;
    2008-2351
    2009-2913
    2010-3292
    2011-3377
    2012-3719
    2013-3481
    2014-3277 (2873 post 1st july

    i'd be interested in other people's analysis???


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    #1134
    Murphy3
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Murphy3


    This has probably been asked a million times but just wondering if you need HPAT and LC in the same year or can the LC points roll over and just repeat the HPAT in March? If so, do u still apply through the CAO ? Thanks guys :)


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    #1135
    egg head
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭egg head


    Hi, yeah, you can do that, only
    rule is that you have to sit HPAT same year you apply to college.


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    #1136
    egg head
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭egg head


    sorry about the repeats, answered via my phone, don't know how to delete posts from boards.ie :(


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    #1137
    itsmawadii
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭itsmawadii


    Ermagod. This day two weeks lads..


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    #1138
    sillydog10
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sillydog10


    itsmawadii wrote: »
    Ermagod. This day two weeks lads..

    Once the countdown on my phone goes to single digits I'll start losing sleep ughhh


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    #1139
    johngalooly
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭johngalooly


    Hey,
    Does anyone on here know much about the DARE scheme and what the point reduction is really like? I have heard that more medicine applicants are on point reduction schemes (DARE, HEAR, Elite Athletes, etc.) than any other course applicants but as far as I can see no one on here is talking about it. The school said that the only person they've had with the dare scheme got into trinity while being 20 points short, So if any of you have more info about this I'd love to hear it.


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    #1140
    itsmawadii
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭itsmawadii


    johngalooly wrote: »
    Hey,
    Does anyone on here know much about the DARE scheme and what the point reduction is really like? I have heard that more medicine applicants are on point reduction schemes (DARE, HEAR, Elite Athletes, etc.) than any other course applicants but as far as I can see no one on here is talking about it. The school said that the only person they've had with the dare scheme got into trinity while being 20 points short, So if any of you have more info about this I'd love to hear it.

    Don't really know much about the HEAR and DARE schemes to be honest..But just wondering, did your friend get a 20 point reduction for medicine? Or was it some other course? Like 20 points for medicine is a lot...


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    #1141
    johngalooly
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭johngalooly


    itsmawadii wrote: »
    Don't really know much about the HEAR and DARE schemes to be honest..But just wondering, did your friend get a 20 point reduction for medicine? Or was it some other course? Like 20 points for medicine is a lot...

    I didn't know her it was just a case the school told me about and it was medicine in trinity


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