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Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I have to laugh at "slowing down discussions", such rubbish non are going to add services at SNN. . . . . Neil is covering his backside at the minute and the fact SNN is failing to attract new carriers since the big FR announcement almost 18 months ago.
    Why should he be covering his backside at the minute?

    Firstly, last October Neil Pakey was quite clear in that the prediction for 2015 was for modest growth only and that their focus will be on route retention.

    Secondly, is he not merely stating the obvious, that whatever business plans Shannon would have liked to have made to Aer Lingus this year, were not possible due to the uncertainty of the IAG takeover.

    I think the US Preclearance facilities at Shannon could be more interesting to Willie Walsh now, once the takeover is completed. Don’t you agree?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Secondly, is he not merely stating the obvious, that whatever business plans Shannon would have liked to have made to Aer Lingus this year, were not possible due to the uncertainty of the IAG takeover.

    I think the US Preclearance facilities at Shannon could be more interesting to Willie Walsh now, once the takeover is completed. Don’t you agree?

    There is making business cases but we clearly know the EI stance on T/A ex SNN and Short haul is limited.

    As for USPC, don't see him think much, could be across Europe in 3 years time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    American connections - exactly where? and with who?

    Was made fairly clear that PHL would become, in time, year round as a result of the JV


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Anyone know what causedthe delay with UX272 (AEA272) to Palma de Mallorca today?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Was made fairly clear that PHL would become, in time, year round as a result of the JV

    I was talking about new routes....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I was talking about new routes....

    Well I wasn't, and you quoted my post?

    Would there be a market for say a weekly MCO service?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    Jamie would really live to know what your knowledge is of the aviation industry and the depth of your business acumen.

    Your posts in this thread come across as the angel of death. Would you prefer the airport closed altogether ?

    Why don't you go join the fosa group and feel the love !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    kilburn wrote: »
    Jamie would really live to know what your knowledge is of the aviation industry and the depth of your business acumen.

    Your posts in this thread come across as the angel of death. Would you prefer the airport closed altogether ?

    Why don't you go join the fosa group and feel the love !

    Who are you directing this at?


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Who are you directing this at?

    Jamie2k9


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    kilburn wrote: »
    Jamie would really live to know what your knowledge is of the aviation industry and the depth of your business acumen.

    Your posts in this thread come across as the angel of death. Would you prefer the airport closed altogether ?

    Why don't you go join the fosa group and feel the love !

    I'm no expert but I see such a huge amount of unrealistic suggestions (no only referring to here) about possible routes etc and its so far from reality. The whole industry has seem major change in last number of years and this willy nilly opening of routes is long gone and unlikely to return again.

    As for SNN itself noting specific against it however I have such a dislike for the political meddling which is still going on today which really gets on my goat. This sense of entitlement infuriates me and one of the most positives out of the IAG takeover is Goverment and Shannon Airport EI ops control is fully gone.
    Well I wasn't, and you quoted my post?

    Would there be a market for say a weekly MCO service?

    Possibly however the big problem is major operators shuttle passengers via the UK and even US hubs and it would be very difficult for direct service to compete. Is the 767 lowest capacity that could be used, 752 would be a stretch.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    As for SNN itself noting specific against it however . . . .
    Are there any positive aspects of Shannon Airport that you find good?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Jet diverts to Shannon after passenger suffers heart attack (Irish Examiner)

    A passenger jet made an emergency landing at Shannon Airport this morning after declaring a medical emergency over the Atlantic.

    Air Berlin flight 7450 was travelling from Düsseldorf to New York when the crew turned around west of Galway at around 10.45am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Are there any positive aspects of Shannon Airport that you find good?

    It's a nice airport, good location, good setup in the region.

    I have nothing overly positive to say about any airport in Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    It's a nice airport, good location, good setup in the region.
    Fair enough but I meant more the business strategies that were drawn up by the task force and implemented by the airport since they gained independence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Jet diverts to Shannon after passenger suffers heart attack (Irish Examiner)

    A passenger jet made an emergency landing at Shannon Airport this morning after declaring a medical emergency over the Atlantic.

    Air Berlin flight 7450 was travelling from Düsseldorf to New York when the crew turned around west of Galway at around 10.45am.

    **** Update ****

    There were 295 passengers and crew on board the Airbus A330-200 jet.

    Shortly before it was due to land, the crew confirmed to controllers they were carrying ‘dangerous goods’.

    Aware that the flight was carrying dangerous goods and in the event the jet’s braking system overheated during the heavy landing, airport crash crews were alerted as a precaution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon enjoys bumper August Bank Holiday Weekend traffic (Shannon Airport)

    According to Chief Commercial Officer Andrew Murphy, Shannon Airport has enjoyed its busiest August Bank Holiday Weekend in five years.

    The airport handled over 40,000 passengers from Friday to Monday.

    We have 35 destinations at Shannon this year and we are seeing growth across all key markets, which was reflected across the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Shannon enjoys bumper August Bank Holiday Weekend traffic (Shannon Airport)

    According to Chief Commercial Officer Andrew Murphy, Shannon Airport has enjoyed its busiest August Bank Holiday Weekend in five years.

    The airport handled over 40,000 passengers from Friday to Monday.

    We have 35 destinations at Shannon this year and we are seeing growth across all key markets, which was reflected across the weekend.

    Whats bumper about it?

    Last Years press release..
    We will have over 42,000 passengers through the airport over the Bank Holiday period,

    http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/latest-news/latest-news/14-08-01/Bumper_Bank_holiday_at_Shannon_as_passenger_numbers_set_to_soar_by_20.aspx

    Capacity actually down?


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »

    Maybe you overlooked the word "over" 40K just to find something negative?

    Any response to this? You must have missed it..
    Fair enough but I meant more the business strategies that were drawn up by the task force and implemented by the airport since they gained independence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    I suspect they only put out that press release as Cork put out a similar one a few days previous.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Did anyone else notice Delta used at 767 on the SNN route to cater for the passenger numbers over the bank holiday?

    Flew out and back myself on the Aer Lingus flight to JFK and it was completely full in both directions (much to the disappointment of the 15+ standby passengers that wanted to fly back to SNN) ;-) Some were accommodated on flights to Dub though. Heard the check in agent telling them that their best option was trying to get on the next day's noon flight to Dublin cause that's rarely full. Be interesting to see will they operate that again next year.

    Also heard passengers very disappointed with the Aer Lingus 767 aircraft saying the interior is extremely old and a lot of the problems with the IFE's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »

    The 2014 August Bank Holiday Weekend were expecting a bumper +20% increase as against 2013.

    This year there was no bumper increase, however the marginal increase must have been large enough to be deemed the busiest August Bank Holiday Weekend in five years.
    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Capacity actually down?

    Yes, capacity is down or gone on some UK routes (Liverpool, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Bristol) and capacity is up +6% on the transatlantic routes (Philadelphia and Boston).


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    According to Flightradar 24, Air Canada flight AC877 from Frankfurt to Toronto was to divert to Shannon.

    It seems to have cancelled its diversion and continued on to Toronto instead.

    What was the story here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭ElNino


    According to Flightradar 24, Air Canada flight AC877 from Frankfurt to Toronto was to divert to Shannon.

    It seems to have cancelled its diversion and continued on to Toronto instead.

    What was the story here?

    It was diverted because of a passenger having a heart attack but unfortunately he died so they decided to continue to their original destination so as not to inconvenience the family any further.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭ElNino


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »

    Someone has got their sums wrong
    Shannon Airport enjoys busiest weekend in five years

    http://clareherald.com/2015/08/shannon-airport-enjoys-busiest-weekend-in-five-years/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    ‘Back-up’ air traffic control centre under construction (Clare Herald)

    A new ‘contingency’ air traffic control centre is being constructed in Co Clare and is expected to be ready for testing by the end of next year.

    The back-up facility is being built adjacent to the Irish Aviation Authority’s (IAA) existing North Atlantic Communications Centre in Ballygirreen near Newmarket on Fergus.

    The centre will act as a back-up to the IAA’s Shannon Centre at Ballycasey near Shannon Airport where up to 90% of all transatlantic air traffic that transits Irish-controlled airspace is managed.

    An IAA spokesman said: “The new IAA En route Contingency Centre will enhance the IAA’s existing operational contingency capability in the event of significant disruption to the service at the Shannon Centre.”

    The works comprise of the construction of a 1200 m2 building on piled foundations, with a re-inforced concrete frame along with extensive site works.

    The building facade will consist of specialist glazing and cladding systems while a link corridor will be constructed between the existing and new facility.

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    North Atlantic Communications Centre in Ballygirreen

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    Shannon Air Traffic Control Centre


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Irish Aviation Authority and ISAVIA Create Worlds First Cross Border Aeronautical Communications Centre (IAA)

    The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) has today commenced operations with the Rohde & Schwarz VCS-4G Voice Communications Control System (VCCS), which will enable the IAA and ISAVIA to become the World’s first “cross border” Aeronautical Communications Centre.

    The VCCS is located at the Irish Aviation Authority’s North Atlantic Communications facility. ISAVIA has an identical VCCS at its communication facility at Gufunes, Iceland, which will enable both individual units to operate as one Virtual Centre.

    The system will be used to provide aeronautical communications services, using High Frequency (HF), Very High Frequency (VHF) and SATVOICE operations on up to 30 separate receivers in the Shanwick and the Reykjavik Oceanic Control areas under joint operations with ISAVIA’s “Iceland Radio”.

    The concept of a Virtual Center allows both VCCSs to be operated either independently in stand-alone mode or, when connected, in joint-operation mode. This will give operational staff access to all resources and functionality of either VCCS.

    Peter Kearney, IAA Director of ATM Operations and Strategy said “We are delighted to be the first in the World to introduce this along with our partners in Iceland. The IAA continuously strives to introduce innovative ATM solutions which provide enhanced services to our customers and increases safety in our business. The Virtual Centre concept will ensure business continuity by reassigning resources and supporting infrastructure in the event of a catastrophic facility failure either at Ballygirreen, Ireland or Gufunes, Iceland. This communications switch will also provide the necessary infrastructure to grow our business”.

    Voice over IP (VoIP), in line with EUROCAE ED-137, is the latest communications technology for global air traffic management, replacing obsolete systems. The fully IP-based Rohde & Schwarz VCS-4G voice communications system fully adheres to this standard.

    ***************************************************************

    This Virtual Centre concept plus the Aireon ALERT mentioned in an earlier post, enhances Ballygirreen's future. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon Airport profits take off as revenue rises (Irish Examiner)

    Pre-tax profits at Shannon Airport — in its first year of independence :confused: — increased by more than tenfold to €1.62m.

    Newly filed accounts by Shannon Airport Authority Ltd show that the airport enjoyed the sharp rise in profits (from €149,000 to €1.62m) as revenues went up by 9.5%, from €39.1m to €42.8m.

    The airport last year incurred €4.4m in capital expenditure that “reflects the continued investment into critical operational maintenance, health and safety, and compliance requirements”.

    The report futher states: “While focusing on growing profits in the coming years, the board has a firm intention to address the historic under-investment in critical airport operational infrastructure and also invest in several facilities which will improve our customers’ experience of travelling through the airport”.

    Numbers employed by the airport last year increased by nine from 263 to 272 and staff costs increased from €17m to €18.48m.

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    I think the author copied his article from last year but forget to change some things, as 2014 is the second year of the airport’s independence!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Lufthansa’s Irish operations record €70m profit (Irish Examiner)

    New group accounts, filed by the German-owned Lufthansa Technik Airmotive Holdings Ltd, show the group recorded the profit through a number of exceptional gains.

    . . . . The group also made an exceptional $16m gain arising from the closure of the defined benefit scheme from two other Lufthansa firms, Lufthansa Technik Shannon Ltd (formerly Shannon Aerospace Ltd) and Lufthansa Technik Shannon Ltd in 2014.

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    Apart from the one off exceptional $16m pension scheme gain at Shannon, the group accounts don’t reveal much for Shannon Aerospace or Lufthansa Technik Turbine Shannon.

    See previous year post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


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    N757HW Honeywell International Boeing 757-225 (Carlow Spotter)

    N757HW, a Boeing 757-200 operated by Honeywell International, on short finals for RWY24 at Shannon Airport. This aircraft is a flying test bed and as can be seen has a pylon on the forward fuselage where engines can be mounted and tested.

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    Do they intend to do some testing in Shannon or was it just a refuel stop?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased



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    Do they intend to do some testing in Shannon or was it just a refuel stop?

    Just a rest stop, continuing on today I believe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Did anyone else notice Delta used at 767 on the SNN route to cater for the passenger numbers over the bank holiday?

    Down to one off bringing some Team Ireland home on Sunday night last?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Comhrá




  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Down to one off bringing some Team Ireland home on Sunday night last?

    A right so the team Ireland passengers don't equate to increased passengers numbers no? Also the majority of them team Ireland passengers flew on US airways via Philadelphia.

    And it was a bank holiday weekend so there was significant demand, much to your dissapointment I'm sure :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Airbus330 wrote: »
    A right so the team Ireland passengers don't equate to increased passengers numbers no? Also the majority of them team Ireland passengers flew on US airways via Philadelphia.

    And it was a bank holiday weekend so there was significant demand, much to your dissapointment I'm sure :)

    Of course they do, was just wondering it was was the reasons....

    I will also let you into a big secret, bank holiday weekends are the EXACT same as any other weekend peak season, there was no difference in the capacity level at SNN than the weekend before than the extra supplied for Team Ireland. This had nothing to do with it been a bank holiday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Of course they do, was just wondering it was was the reasons....

    I will also let you into a big secret, bank holiday weekends are the EXACT same as any other weekend peak season, there was no difference in the capacity level at SNN than the weekend before than the extra supplied for Team Ireland. This had nothing to do with it been a bank holiday.

    A here grand well demand increased that weekend just a coincidence it was a bank holiday weekend :) and as I stated before, team Ireland mainly used the American Airlines service. And actually every US flight except SNN-ORD was fully booked over the 'bank holiday' weekend. American Airlines, EI to Bos, UA to EWR + ORD were not fully booked the weekend before.

    I will also let you in on a big secret. I work in the airport. So any info you have..I have more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Airbus330 wrote: »
    A here grand well demand increased that weekend just a coincidence it was a bank holiday weekend :) and as I stated before, team Ireland mainly used the American Airlines service. And actually every US flight except SNN-ORD was fully booked over the 'bank holiday' weekend. American Airlines, EI to Bos, UA to EWR + ORD were not fully booked the weekend before.

    I will also let you in on a big secret. I work in the airport. So any info you have..I have more

    "mainly" so did the rest use Delta?

    Bank Holiday weekends may see a slight spike in numbers traveling but it's nothing but a PR exercise for all airports.

    It's great to see all those carriers doing well but I hope it happen's more often that just that weekend.

    I'm delighted you work at the airport, hope your happy in your job :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    "mainly" so did the rest use Delta?

    Bank Holiday weekends may see a slight spike in numbers traveling but it's nothing but a PR exercise for all airports.

    It's great to see all those carriers doing well but I hope it happen's more often that just that weekend.

    I'm delighted you work at the airport, hope your happy in your job :)

    Nope actually the rest were routed through Bos with EI probably cause JFK was sold out with EI. That's absolute bs, the nonsense you come up with is hilarious.

    But keep believing that, just a coincidence in your eyes that numbers just magically go up duong these periods.

    And thanks I love my job, it's great to get the real facts and figures and not talk pure rubbish :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭hobie14


    anyone notice a KLM 777 arriving SNN this morning (about an hour ago) ..... it was flying route CALI > AMS

    Wonder why? .....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    hobie14 wrote: »
    anyone notice a KLM 777 arriving SNN this morning (about an hour ago) ..... it was flying route CALI > AMS

    Wonder why? .....
    No news yet.

    **** Update ****

    According to this photographer the KLM aircraft landed at Shannon for a fuel top up while enroute from Cali (Colombia) to Amsterdam.

    **** Update ****


  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭cnoc


    Knock Apt had its first ever chartered pilgrimage flight from North America today. Will Knock Airport affect SNN if it becomes a T/A apt?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    cnoc wrote: »
    Knock Apt had its first ever chartered pilgrimage flight from North America today. Will Knock Airport affect SNN if it becomes a T/A apt?

    No! Knock will never become a t/a apt! Like no chance!! Way too small and no U.S. CBP. It's just a once off charter for the pilgrimage! No affect whatsoever on SNN! Nice to see though, seems to have been a pretty popular trip, it was completely full!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    cnoc wrote: »
    Knock Apt had its first ever chartered pilgrimage flight from North America today. Will Knock Airport affect SNN if it becomes a T/A apt?
    I suppose those passengers arriving in Shannon / Dublin from the USA for pilgrimage reasons would definitely travel direct to Knock.
    Talks over regular pilgrimage flights from USA to Knock (RTE)

    Both Aer Lingus and Ireland West Airport have said talks are ongoing to introduce scheduled transatlantic pilgrimage flights from New York and Boston in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Knock will never get the level of t/a service Shannon has. Aer Lingus may well do more charters but they quite clearly said at the launch that scheduled flights were a no go for them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I suppose those passengers arriving in Shannon / Dublin from the USA for pilgrimage reasons would definitely travel direct to Knock.

    Really believe PR have gone into overdrive, I think EI can easily make just as much money on a scheduled as they would charge for a charter service from NY peak summer and it will come down to how much dosh a company will be prepared to pay for EI to operate a charter.

    Will be really surprised if anything comes of it

    Anybody know if NOC will slap the 10 euro departure fee on them!
    Nope actually the rest were routed through Bos with EI probably cause JFK was sold out with EI. That's absolute bs, the nonsense you come up with is hilarious.

    But keep believing that, just a coincidence in your eyes that numbers just magically go up duong these periods.

    And thanks I love my job, it's great to get the real facts and figures and not talk pure rubbish

    You may see it as bs however US carriers don't just bump up aircraft for heavy loads, it is not normal practice so either there was no 752 available, increased cargo or block booking of passengers. The BH does not come into it whatsoever. It simply does not happen across Europe and I don't see SNN as been exempt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »

    Anybody know if NOC will slap the 10 euro departure fee on them!

    t.

    Religious pilgrimage flights exempt


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Ryanair talking to IAG about transfer connections (Reuters / RTE)

    Ryanair is in talks with International Airlines Group and Aer Lingus about providing transfer connections for its rivals' long-haul services for the first time in its 30-year history, Chief Executive Michael O'Leary told Reuters.

    Ryanair has not yet finalised an agreement with Aer Lingus, but O'Leary said it could begin providing feeder traffic for its Irish rivals before the end of the year.

    "I see no reason why it couldn't happen this winter, November," he said.

    He is a rogue, as it could probably kill off Aer Lingus Regional.

    Nevertheless it opens interesting possibilities for Shannon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon Airport air traffic down -10.5% for July (IAA).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon Passenger Numbers Up Despite Flights Drop-Off (Clarefm)

    While there has been a significant fall in the number of flights at Shannon in recent months, management insist passenger levels remain robust, growing by 3% in July.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    The crew of Air Canada flight ACA-871 declared a medical emergency and diverted to Shannon reporting that a passenger on board suffered a suspected heart attack.

    The flight was en route from Paris to Montreal with 431 passengers and crew on board.

    Cabin crew personnel tended to the patient who was administered oxygen while emergency medical services were requested to be standing by at Shannon.

    The flight landed safely at 2.30pm and was met by ambulance paramedics and a doctor. The patient was rushed to University Hospital Limerick for treatment.

    The flight was able to resume its journey at 4.40pm. (RTE)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    US Company Developing Space-Based Plane Tracking (Voice of America)

    Interesting video clip about this technology including some footage from the construction site at Ballygirreen.


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