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Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

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  • #102
    Gophur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Gophur


    RickRoll wrote: »
    Well Colm Cooper's mother is from Kildare so you're wrong there.

    ...............


    Yep, Seanie has a hell of a lot less right to declare for Kildare than Gooch.


    It's obvious background moves were made to facilitate all of this and I'd guess Seanie will not be out of pocket if there are costs involved.

    It's a pity Kildare have to resort to such tactics to try to win something.

    As for Seanie? What's the kudos in doing what he's doing? He wouldn't put in the effor for Cavan, why would he do it for someone else?

    For the good of the game let's hope this transfer is rejected out of hand.


  • #103
    RickRoll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭RickRoll


    Gophur wrote: »
    Yep, Seanie has a hell of a lot less right to declare for Kildare than Gooch.


    It's obvious background moves were made to facilitate all of this and I'd guess Seanie will not be out of pocket if there are costs involved.

    It's a pity Kildare have to resort to such tactics to try to win something.

    As for Seanie? What's the kudos in doing what he's doing? He wouldn't put in the effor for Cavan, why would he do it for someone else?

    For the good of the game let's hope this transfer is rejected out of hand.
    Oh for God's sake cop on will you, Kildare aren't the first and certainly won't be the last team to have an "outsider" on their team.
    As for Seanie? What's the kudos in doing what he's doing?He wouldn't put in the effor for Cavan, why would he do it for someone else?

    He said himself he would love nothing more than to play for Cavan but Mr. Andrews does not want him or indeed another good player in Michael Lyng. Do you expect him to sit around twiddling his tumbs waiting for a call from Andrews? If nothing else he's shown a bit of ambition in looking to play IC football for a county that wants him.

    I agree with you that he was more than likely approached by somebody from the Kildare CB or someone associated with Kildare GAA, but so what? I don't see the problem. If Brendan Murphy of Carlow or Donal Shine of Roscommon announced they were not wanted by their counties they would be inundated with calls from lots of counties no doubt about it.


  • #104
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    largepants wrote: »
    Effectively discarded by Kildare? With the greatest of respect you know that is not true. Tompkins knew well what he was doing. And could Fahy not still have played with Kildare even though he lived in Cork? Didn't some of the Kerry greats of the 75-86 live in Dublin while playing with their their own?

    You claim Fahy moved due to work committments yet cast doubt on Lacey, O'Dwyer and Murphys transfers? Could they have not been due to work committments?

    In fact I'll question your overall view on Kildare GAA. I get the distinct impression that other factors might cloud your view on the Seanie Saga.

    I actually don't have any strong feelings on Kildare either way, but I do know they actively 'welcome' players in situations like this. Others don't. What other factors do you believe might 'cloud' my view!?

    Why did Kildare stop paying for Tomkin's flights home so he could play for Kildare? You probably have some more insight than I.

    Also, with the greatest of respect, Kildare were terrible in this era. We're looking back at a time when Tomkin's and Fahy might have got one game a summer with Kildare.

    Kerry players coming home from Dublin in the 75-86 era were legends playing in one of the best teams of all time. Their names and their families will be revered in their communities as legends. Also, the Dubs wouldn't accept an outsider on their footballers!

    I'm not on some big anti Kildare agenda, but I don't like to see lads moving around in this fashion. Fair enough if you move for work reasons and play in the local club scene. This is on the same level as the Thomas Walsh farce.


  • #105
    RickRoll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭RickRoll


    hardybuck wrote: »
    Also, the Dubs wouldn't accept an outsider on their footballers!
    That's funny. Declan Darcy, does he ring a bell???


  • #106
    Red Crow
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    I couldnt possibly comment, but lets see how it works out in practice if he truly is living literally full time in Kildare with the scenario of no overnights at all in Cavan.

    He's working in Cavan town as a teacher in Cavan College. Not on flexitime so would have to be in Cavan at 9am.
    From Straffan that's a 1h40min drive via Edgeworthstown costing approx 20euro incl the motorway toll each way.
    So return you're looking at a daily commute of 3h20min driving and 40euro according to viamichelin.
    And you'd be looking at getting up at 6.30am every day in order to be out the door in time to make it to Cavan at 9am and not back till about 6 in the evening.
    A midweek training for the Gaels after school would mean him not getting back to Kildare till about midnight and have to get up again the next morning for school.

    Adding it up thats 16h 40min in total of commuting over a 5 day week costing 200euro weekly in petrol alone not counting the depreciation or wear and tear that 1300km PER WEEK would cost you.

    In addition. Seanie would be travelling home to his team Cavan Gaels (where he is the captain) at the weekend for training/ matches.
    That's another round trip of 260km and 3h20min spent in the car to have him back "home" in Kildare the same day that brings his total mileage to approx 1560km a week.

    With 16 weeks between Sept 1 and 22nd Dec less one midterm, thats 23,400km that Seanie is telling us that he has travelled due him living in Kildare. And 3000 euro in petrol just to get to his job in the school in Cavan from Kildare!
    (you'd assume the €40 odd for the 6th trip per week would be paid by the gaels - his commitment to living in Kildare makes the 3grand he pays from his own pocket a small price to pay....)

    Now.....
    aside from the 3 grand cost of commuting to and from Cavan for work (and letting the gaels pay any football expenses) are we to believe that he is really living in Kildare when 6 days a week when he has work/ football in Cavan town to attend to?

    I could go on and chop and change and give different scenarios.
    But even the minimum amount of nights a week necessary to have it that the majority of your time is in a certain place, 4 out of 7 nights, assuming the gaels cover 2 of the trips thats still 1500 euro spent on commuting since christmas out of his own pocket and an awful lot of driving that he is asking us to believe he is making.

    If he really is that committed to Kildare then he deserves to play for them, but a man with that possesses and demonstrates that sort of unworldly motivation surely would be interested in proving he is deserving of getting his place back on the Cavan team you would think!

    Didn't realise he still worked in Cavan. It said on Newstalk and KFM Radio that he lives in Straffan.

    The Straffan address was given on official transfer request form and thats probably where the papers have picked it up. Maybe he owns a house or has a relative there. Surely that can't be right though.


  • #107
    Syferus
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    Gophur wrote: »
    1. He was told by Val Andrews he was being cut from this year's squad. Andrews feels justified based on Seanie's performance over the past year or two.

    2. He may well feel he has something to offer, however, this is the GAA and he is ineligible to play for any county other than Cavan. If he feels he has something to offer then he needs to break his way back into the Cavan squad. There's time for him to make the 2012 team.

    3. He instigated the move? I wonder where you got that from? Given the man has absolutely no ties with Kildare, how did he suddenly get an "address"? Did Kildare management make contact with him? What inducements have been made?

    Kildare's past included the team of '98 containing Murphy and O'Dwyer, from Cork and Kerry, IIRC? Those lads had reasons to transfer to Kildare, Seanie J doesn't.

    Eh? If he really wants to switch to Kildare then he can, indeed the whole situation is far too murky to make that assertion even at this moment.

    No one particularly likes seeing players switch allegiances, but if a player is set on it there's really no point making out trying with his old team is even really an option.

    I'd have zero problems with my county offering Kevin Cassidy a chance to play if he were to stay frozen out in Donegal, for a purely hypothetical example. There's no advantage to anyone to have inter-county class players sitting at home, we want to see the best players in the country playing.


  • #108
    largepants
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    I actually don't have any strong feelings on Kildare either way, but I do know they actively 'welcome' players in situations like this. Others don't. What other factors do you believe might 'cloud' my view!?

    Why did Kildare stop paying for Tomkin's flights home so he could play for Kildare? You probably have some more insight than I.

    Also, with the greatest of respect, Kildare were terrible in this era. We're looking back at a time when Tomkin's and Fahy might have got one game a summer with Kildare.

    Kerry players coming home from Dublin in the 75-86 era were legends playing in one of the best teams of all time. Their names and their families will be revered in their communities as legends. Also, the Dubs wouldn't accept an outsider on their footballers!

    I'm not on some big anti Kildare agenda, but I don't like to see lads moving around in this fashion. Fair enough if you move for work reasons and play in the local club scene. This is on the same level as the Thomas Walsh farce.

    I might argue that Cork 'welcome' players the same way as Kildare do. Very few counties have not had any outsiders including the Dubs. You claim that Kildare were terrible in this era and that Fahy and Tompkins might have got one game. It seems to me by that statement that it was considered fair enough for them to move to Cork because Kildare were sh1te. Then in your last paragraph you don't want to see lads moving around in this fashion.I could go on about other aspects of your post but honestly I haven't got all day. Just wish you'd acknowledge the fact that other counties as well as Kildare have had outsiders on their team.Just as a little aside, I couldn't care less if Johnston did or didn't play with Kildare. I'm not sure he is good enough anymore anyway.


  • #109
    Frank Spencer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Frank Spencer


    RickRoll wrote: »
    That's funny. Declan Darcy, does he ring a bell???

    Declan Darcy was born and raised in Dublin.


  • #110
    hardybuck
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    largepants wrote: »
    I might argue that Cork 'welcome' players the same way as Kildare do. Very few counties have not had any outsiders including the Dubs. You claim that Kildare were terrible in this era and that Fahy and Tompkins might have got one game. It seems to me by that statement that it was considered fair enough for them to move to Cork because Kildare were sh1te. Then in your last paragraph you don't want to see lads moving around in this fashion.I could go on about other aspects of your post but honestly I haven't got all day. Just wish you'd acknowledge the fact that other counties as well as Kildare have had outsiders on their team.Just as a little aside, I couldn't care less if Johnston did or didn't play with Kildare. I'm not sure he is good enough anymore anyway.

    I never had a problem acknowledging that other counties accept players, but in genuine circumstances, and it happens very rarely. Kildare just seem to have had far more people coming in than others.

    This situation with Johnson could set a nasty precedent. I'm sure if he moved to Kildare, maybe went away and played some club football for a year and tried again nobody would be too put out.


  • #111
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    RickRoll wrote: »
    That's funny. Declan Darcy, does he ring a bell???

    It is funny. I do remember a Declan Darcy who grew up in Sandymount, D4. Originally played for Clanna Gael, then transferred to his fathers club in Leitrim where he played illegaly for years as he had no residence there. His father would drive them up there for games as a lad.

    He then transferred back home to Dublin after all the mileage took its toll and Leitrim had begun to fall apart.

    Are we on about the same Declan Darcy? Does any of that ring a bell???


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  • #112
    Tombo2000
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    Frank Spencer wrote: »
    Declan Darcy was born and raised in Dublin.


    Ryan O'Dwyer.

    Ye might have Cha signing up to, you'd never know.....


  • #113
    Gophur
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    Syferus wrote: »
    Eh? If he really wants to switch to Kildare then he can, ...........

    Not under the current rules. He has no links to Kildare.


  • #114
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Tombo2000 wrote: »
    Ryan O'Dwyer.

    Ye might have Cha signing up to, you'd never know.....

    Ah yeah, the hurling team is about 20% outsiders who've moved in, but it was generally seen as a good thing for the game as it brought Dublin into the top tier and improved its profile.

    Different rules for weaker hurling counties as well, which teams like Kildare regularly avail of. They'd have got a good few lads from the likes of Tipp and others.


  • #115
    Gophur
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    RickRoll wrote: »
    Oh for God's sake cop on will you, Kildare aren't the first and certainly won't be the last team to have an "outsider" on their team.



    He said himself he would love nothing more than to play for Cavan but Mr. Andrews does not want him or indeed another good player in Michael Lyng. Do you expect him to sit around twiddling his tumbs waiting for a call from Andrews? If nothing else he's shown a bit of ambition in looking to play IC football for a county that wants him.

    I agree with you that he was more than likely approached by somebody from the Kildare CB or someone associated with Kildare GAA, but so what? I don't see the problem. If Brendan Murphy of Carlow or Donal Shine of Roscommon announced they were not wanted by their counties they would be inundated with calls from lots of counties no doubt about it.

    Why are you asking me to "cop on"?

    It has nothing to do with "outsiders". If Seanie J was eligible to transfer, then let him go. In this case, he cannot transfer, without tearing up the rule book.

    If this transfer is allowed then we will effectively have a transfer system similar to other sports, where players can move wherever they want and any county can approach any player to get him to play for them.

    The situation is kind of ironic given the number of players that transferred to Seanie's own club over the past while.


  • #116
    Frank Spencer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Frank Spencer


    Tombo2000 wrote: »
    Ryan O'Dwyer.

    Ye might have Cha signing up to, you'd never know.....

    The point was referring to the footballers.


  • #117
    Tombo2000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Tombo2000


    Frank Spencer wrote: »
    The point was referring to the footballers.


    I know that, but Dublin doesnt need to poach footballers as the county has a massive pool of talent and has more than enough good footballers to compete, and always has done.

    Thats not the case in Dublin hurling; and the Dublin hurlers consequently have not been shy about taking players from other counties.


  • #118
    Hammer Archer
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    Tombo2000 wrote: »
    Ryan O'Dwyer.

    Ye might have Cha signing up to, you'd never know.....
    Why are you using an example of a player who is living, working and playing with a club in Dublin :confused::confused:

    This has nothing to do with Seanie Johnston's transfer. If he wanted to transfer to Kildare and was living and playing there and at least working nearby, there would be no problem. As it stands though, he "has an address" in Kildare (note, I don't think I've seen anywhere say he actually lives permanently in Kildare), works almost two hours away in Cavan and still plays with his club in Cavan.
    No one has a problem with intercounty transfers done by the book, but as Gophur said, if this transfer goes through, the rules will have gone out the window,


  • #119
    keane2097
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    There's clearly a personal relationship issue between Val Andrews and Johnston which clouds this issue.

    If Johnston had been left off the Cavan panel for pure football reasons it wouldn't be an issue because if he wasn't good enough for Cavan no one else would be looking for him either. Johnston is undoubtedly one of the very best footballers in Cavan, but can't play for the county team due to a personality clash with a man who is after all an outsider.

    I understand the worry about the sort of precedents being set and find it a bit of a tough spot to make up my mind on tbh, but it does always strike me that an amateur player shouldn't be forced to play in a setup he doesn't like just because of an accident of birth.

    If anything I think the GAA needs to do a review of the whole area of IC transfers, because the country is getting smaller all the time and this sort of thing is something I wouldn't be surprised to see more of.


  • #120
    Gophur
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    Tombo2000 wrote: »
    I know that, but Dublin doesnt need to poach footballers as the county has a massive pool of talent and has more than enough good footballers to compete, and always has done.

    Thats not the case in Dublin hurling; and the Dublin hurlers consequently have not been shy about taking players from other counties.

    Did the Dublin Co Chairman not suggest that any players transferring to Dublin Clubs should transfer their inter-county allegiance to Dublin, also?

    Seanie's problem with Cavan seems to stem from his unwillingness to play for the team. It's entirely the manager's prerogative to select such an "individual".

    As for a player whose first reaction is to go looking for another county, rather than knuckle down with his own? It doesn't show Seanie up in a good light.

    Better players than him have been dropped, but knuckled down and got back. If he has a problem with Andrews, then let him get a third party to make a representation on his behalf.


    Andrews, on the other hand, has a a problem with discipline in his squad. This is a test of him too.


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  • #121
    Lemlin
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    Gophur wrote: »
    Did the Dublin Co Chairman not suggest that any players transferring to Dublin Clubs should transfer their inter-county allegiance to Dublin, also?

    Seanie's problem with Cavan seems to stem from his unwillingness to play for the team. It's entirely the manager's prerogative to select such an "individual".

    As for a player whose first reaction is to go looking for another county, rather than knuckle down with his own? It doesn't show Seanie up in a good light.

    Better players than him have been dropped, but knuckled down and got back. If he has a problem with Andrews, then let him get a third party to make a representation on his behalf.


    Andrews, on the other hand, has a a problem with discipline in his squad. This is a test of him too.

    Well said. Couldn't have put it better than this myself.

    Seanie has been a fantastic servant to Cavan football. There were days like against Wicklow two years ago when he came off the bench and saved the entire team with a virtuoso display. The Wicklow people could only laugh at a few of the points he scored they were that good.

    Last year though, Seanie and a number of players were told, towards the latter end of the year when the new season was nowhere near starting, that they were no longer required by the Cavan team for the following year. To me, Andrews was sending out a message.

    The last three managers of Cavan - Martin McElhennon, Donal Keoghan and Tommy Carr - have all commented on attitude problems within the camp. The problem was previously that Cavan had no new players coming through to fill the gap if the so-called 'problem' players were kicked out of the panel. That changed last year with the success of the U21 and minor teams.

    Andrews started the cull at senior level last year after the League. He brought in a huge number of the U21s. It now looks like he is continuing the cull. Out with the old, in with the new.

    Its not just young players he's bringing in either. A number of older players, in the 24+ age bracket, have been brought in. They mightn't be particularly skillful but from seeing these lads at club level, they aren't primadonnas and are lads who play their hearts out week-in, week out for their club teams and I'd imagine will do the same for their county.

    I've supported Andrews from the start and continue to. I think Johnston would have been better bide his time because either Andrews will be successful this year get another year, or the county will flop again and he'll be out on his ear. In which case, Seanie will be able to come back into the fold for the next manager to give him a chance.

    Either way, no player is bigger than their county and, based on last year's performances, I'd be more worried about Niall McDermott or Eugene Keating (Cavan's best footballer last year IMO) moving counties than Sean Johnston.


  • #122
    paddy978
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    It is funny. I do remember a Declan Darcy who grew up in Sandymount, D4. Originally played for Clanna Gael, then transferred to his fathers club in Leitrim where he played illegaly for years as he had no residence there. His father would drive them up there for games as a lad.

    He then transferred back home to Dublin after all the mileage took its toll and Leitrim had begun to fall apart.

    Are we on about the same Declan Darcy? Does any of that ring a bell???

    Do you remember Brian(iirc) Murphy who played in goal from Kerry against Westmeath in 2004?


  • #123
    qwerty93
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    Although Johnson is a great footballer, I cant see Mc Geeney going out of his way for him. He has been extremly loyal to the players at his disposal with very few culls and has a very close panel as a result.


  • #124
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    paddy978 wrote: »
    Do you remember Brian(iirc) Murphy who played in goal from Kerry against Westmeath in 2004?

    Fair play, you must have had a good think about that one. The same Brian Murphy who moved to Dublin in 1994 and played for Naomh Barrog for a number of years before playing two Championship games?

    Again, he went through the proper channels, but what's the fascination with Dublin?

    While you're at it, can you give me a rundown on the circumstances on the following players who transferred to Kildare?
    • Brian Lacey (Tipp)
    • Karl O'Dwyer (Kerry)
    • Gavin Ware (Carlow)
    • Gavin Keane (Waterford)
    • John Divilly (Galway)
    • Cathal Sheridan (Meath)


  • #125
    Gophur
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    qwerty93 wrote: »
    Although Johnson is a great footballer, I cant see Mc Geeney going out of his way for him.......

    He has gone well out of his way, already!!! ;)


  • #126
    paddy978
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    Fair play, you must have had a good think about that one. The same Brian Murphy who moved to Dublin in 1994 and played for Naomh Barrog for a number of years before playing two Championship games?

    Again, he went through the proper channels, but what's the fascination with Dublin?

    While you're at it, can you give me a rundown on the circumstances on the following players who transferred to Kildare?
    • Brian Lacey (Tipp)
    • Karl O'Dwyer (Kerry)
    • Gavin Ware (Carlow)
    • Gavin Keane (Waterford)
    • John Divilly (Galway)
    • Cathal Sheridan (Meath)

    Don't know because I'm writing from a Kerry point of view not a Kildare one. I was just responding to claims that Dublin wouldn't take an outsider.


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  • #127
    mossyc123
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    He's not living, working or playing club football in Kildare... why does he think he's entitled to play for Kildare?!


  • #128
    largepants
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    Fair play, you must have had a good think about that one. The same Brian Murphy who moved to Dublin in 1994 and played for Naomh Barrog for a number of years before playing two Championship games?

    Again, he went through the proper channels, but what's the fascination with Dublin?

    While you're at it, can you give me a rundown on the circumstances on the following players who transferred to Kildare?
    • Brian Lacey (Tipp)
    • Karl O'Dwyer (Kerry)
    • Gavin Ware (Carlow)
    • Gavin Keane (Waterford)
    • John Divilly (Galway)
    • Cathal Sheridan (Meath)

    Whats your fascination with Kildare? Where are you from?

    You seem to know it all about everything so perhaps you might answer your question above.


  • #129
    klairondavis
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    Fair play, you must have had a good think about that one. The same Brian Murphy who moved to Dublin in 1994 and played for Naomh Barrog for a number of years before playing two Championship games?

    Again, he went through the proper channels, but what's the fascination with Dublin?

    While you're at it, can you give me a rundown on the circumstances on the following players who transferred to Kildare?
    • Brian Lacey (Tipp)
    • Karl O'Dwyer (Kerry)
    • Gavin Ware (Carlow)
    • Gavin Keane (Waterford)
    • John Divilly (Galway)
    • Cathal Sheridan (Meath)

    Lacey was working in Dublin (I think) and living in Kildare Town.

    Karl was a teacher and got a job working in a school in Rathangan. He was surplus to requirements in Kerry after being unfairly scapegoated for 1992.

    Garvan Ware was living and working in Clane. Only turned out for Kildare in a few games and was nowhere near the level of the other midfielders like Buckley, Lynch, Earley & McCreery anyway.

    Never heard of Gavin Keane tbh.

    Divilly was living and working in Leixlip and wasn't wanted by Galway. He probably wasn't good enough for Kildare either as an ageing Glenn Ryan was still picked ahead of him when he was fit and he probably hindered Mick Foley's development too.

    Cathal Sheridan was living in Kilcock and I think his decision to switch to Kildare was more to do with hurling then football.

    Brian Murphy was living and working in Clane (also playing for the club) for years before Micko called him up. He had a very minimal involment for Cork (minors & juniors) years before he played for Kildare.

    Of all the transfers you've listed only Lacey's bothered me. He was the one player out of all of those who would have been one of his native county's main players. However, the big three (Lacey, Murphy & O'Dwyer) were not fly-by-nighters. They all gave serious service to Kildare over a number of years. Brian Murphy is still deeply involved in Kildare GAA as the county minor manager, an u21 selector, and also managing several underage Clane teams. Karl will still be seen at plenty of Kildare matches and he managed Grange for a few years. Both him and lacey played for Round Towers for a number of years after they had left the inter-county scene. Lacey went back to play for Tipp after 2004 but he remained a Round Towers player and even played a trial match to try and get back on the Kildare panel in McGeeney's first year in charge. He managed Nurney in the Kildare junior championship last year.

    Johnston is a different story and I would not like to see him skipping ahead of the likes of Fionn Dowling, Pádraig Fogarty and Seán Hurley who are the future of Kildare football. If he wants to commit fully to Kildare (join a club in the county and play his way into the panel) then fair enough. If he just expects to walk straight onto the Kildare panel while still playing his club football in Cavan then he can foget about it. Kildare are better off without him given the divisions this could cause within their panel.

    BTW, it's the height of irony that Dublin lads are giving out about Kildare and outside players. They've a handful of hurlers who were reared well beyond the M50 and their footballers won numerous All-Irelands prior to the 1970s when their team was backboned by country fellas. Even the Kildare great Larry Stanley won an All-Ireland medal with Dublin in 1923 to go with the one he won with Kildare in 1919.


  • #130
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    largepants wrote: »
    Whats your fascination with Kildare? Where are you from?

    You seem to know it all about everything so perhaps you might answer your question above.

    the thread is about a player who is trying to join Kildare. Why are you suprised past players who have done the same are brought up?


  • #131
    largepants
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭largepants


    bruschi wrote: »
    largepants wrote: »
    Whats your fascination with Kildare? Where are you from?

    You seem to know it all about everything so perhaps you might answer your question above.

    the thread is about a player who is trying to join Kildare. Why are you suprised past players who have done the same are brought up?

    Is it the fact that it involves Kildare that has him so hot and bothered about this?

    Look the facts are that the majority of counties have their outsiders but hardybuck is insistent that Kildares outsiders were all dodgy transfers.


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  • #132
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    largepants wrote: »
    Is it the fact that it involves Kildare that has him so hot and bothered about this?

    Look the facts are that the majority of counties have their outsiders but hardybuck is insistent that Kildares outsiders were all dodgy transfers.

    I literally couldn't care less about Kildare. Get over yourself. I'm from a hurling area in Waterford. I am a GAA man though, and this episode bothers me, as did the Thomas Walsh episode in Wicklow.

    Due to the huge volume of transfers Kildare had in a 20 year stretch, I purely wanted to see how genuine they were. It seems they were all far more straightforward than Johnston's efforts.

    For the record, hurling is a different story. Despite Dublin now becoming rivals to us, nobody has any major issue with them accepting players who live and play there. It brought an extra team into what is generally a small number of elite counties, and encouraged many more kids to pick up a hurl in the capital. All the lads they accepted were discarded by their own counties for really not being good enough.

    Contrast that to a guy who is possibly the top player in his county, falls out with a manager who'll be gone in a year, and is looking to move to a county which he neither lives, works or plays club football in. Exactly like the Thomas Walsh situation.


  • #133
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    largepants wrote: »
    Is it the fact that it involves Kildare that has him so hot and bothered about this?

    Look the facts are that the majority of counties have their outsiders but hardybuck is insistent that Kildares outsiders were all dodgy transfers.
    Where did he say every transfer to Kildare was dodgy :confused:
    Sorry if you've made your position known on this, but as a Kildare fan, how would you feel if Johnston, who it's doubted whether he even lives in Kildare let alone plays for a local club, makes your team for the league and/or championship ahead of a native Kildare man?
    Let's make it clear, I don't think anyone is making their feelings known about this because it's Kildare. It's the fact that if it's allowed, it'll make a mockery of the GAA's rules. As I said before, if Johnston was transferring to Meath, I'd probably be even more vocally against it.


  • #134
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    largepants wrote: »
    Is it the fact that it involves Kildare that has him so hot and bothered about this?

    Look the facts are that the majority of counties have their outsiders but hardybuck is insistent that Kildares outsiders were all dodgy transfers.

    I'd certainly disagree with that.

    and the 2 lads have put across their points very well above.

    this transfer is an absolute mockery. Cavan Gaels ahve also refused to represent Johnston at a DRA hearing, so it seems the whole thing is over until next year at least.

    Personally, Ithink he'd be better off putting the head down and working as hard as he can to play well for the club and make sure he cannot be overlooked for the county. No player is bigger than their county, just ask Brian Cody.


  • #135
    blackbelt
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    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Where did he say every transfer to Kildare was dodgy :confused:
    Sorry if you've made your position known on this, but as a Kildare fan, how would you feel if Johnston, who it's doubted whether he even lives in Kildare let alone plays for a local club, makes your team for the league and/or championship ahead of a native Kildare man?
    Let's make it clear, I don't think is making their feelings known about this because it's Kildare. It's the fact that if it's allowed, it'll make a mockery of the GAA's rules. As I said before, if Johnston was transferring to Meath, I'd probably be even more vocally against it.

    Also added to this, it wreaks of individual gain as opposed to an allegiance to Kildare.As a manager, I would be taking this into consideration with a cautious approach. If McGeeney feels he would benefit from having Johnston there thats fine but questions will be raised such as "Are there no better forwards in the county"?

    My opinion on the matter is that if you don't play club football within the county or don't have any family connection, you have no business being there.


  • #136
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    blackbelt wrote: »
    Also added to this, it wreaks of individual gain as opposed to an allegiance to Kildare.As a manager, I would be taking this into consideration with a cautious approach. If McGeeney feels he would benefit from having Johnston there thats fine but questions will be raised such as "Are there no better forwards in the county"?

    My opinion on the matter is that if you don't play club football within the county or don't have any family connection, you have no business being there.
    There's another thing I can't really get my head around in relation to this whole saga. Everyone know's McGeeney is a manager who takes absolutely no bulls**t from anyone in his panel (him booting a player off the panel last year being good evidence). Yet it's well known that Johnston was a "problem player" (as Lemlin put it) in the Cavan squad. Surely the last player McGeeney (and surely Kildare fans) would want playing for their team is an outsider with a history of attitude problems which could potentially destabilise their squad.
    Agree completely with your post, especially the last sentence. I feel Kildare have plenty of options up front without having to resort to this dodgy transfer.


  • #137
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    McGeeney doesn't care a whole lot about Kildare I'd say, at this stage he just wants some sort of silverware so his burgeoning reputation as a manager doesn't take a nosedive and will use any and all means available to him.


  • #138
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    There's another thing I can't really get my head around in relation to this whole saga. Everyone know's McGeeney is a manager who takes absolutely no bulls**t from anyone in his panel (him booting a player off the panel last year being good evidence). Yet it's well known that Johnston was a "problem player" (as Lemlin put it) in the Cavan squad. Surely the last player McGeeney (and surely Kildare fans) would want playing for their team is an outsider with a history of attitude problems which could potentially destabilise their squad.
    Agree completely with your post, especially the last sentence. I feel Kildare have plenty of options up front without having to resort to this dodgy transfer.

    I don't know if Johnston was a "problem player" to be honest. He's deeply hurt by being dropped I've been told.

    What I do know is that others dropped alongside Johnston were "problem" players so I'm drawing a conclusion from that.


  • #139
    cunninstunt
    Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭cunninstunt


    He must have been doing something wrong to have been dropped so early in the season. I will admit that I have no knowledge of the cavan panel but an educated guess would state that his being dropped must be down to some behaviour last year. Perhaps at the time last year it would have been felt that dropping him would have destabilised the panel too much so the manager waited til end of year to get rid of him and others.


  • #140
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Lemlin wrote: »
    I don't know if Johnston was a "problem player" to be honest. He's deeply hurt by being dropped I've been told.

    What I do know is that others dropped alongside Johnston were "problem" players so I'm drawing a conclusion from that.
    Fair enough. But it really doesn't say much about a player that he gets in a huff when he's dropped (which is part and parcel of sporting life) and tries to engineer a move to another county instead of working hard and making the manager realise he's made a mistake.


  • #141
    cunninstunt
    Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭cunninstunt


    To me the fact that he looked for a transfer instead of working hard shows that there was more to him being dropped than just poor performances or not being fit enough. If it was a lack of fitness then kildare would be the last place he would look to go. Kildare in my opinion were one of the fittest teams around last year. Also if the problem was a lack of fitness, this is something you would just work on yourself to get back in shape and convince the manager to bring you back in. I think he knows he is not going to get back in to the Cavan panel no matter what he does so has no choice but to look elsewhere.


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  • #142
    largepants
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭largepants


    I couldn't careless if Johnston never played with Kildare. However I do have an issue with someone questioning the allegiance of the players that he mentioned in his post. However that questioned was answered and the poster in question is willing to accept that.

    I know as well as most people that the Johnston saga doesn't sound like its straightforward or whatever word you want to use (to say the least). I'm sure if we put our minds to it that most counties have had outsiders playing with them.

    BTW I can't understand why hurling would be so different?


  • #143
    RickRoll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭RickRoll


    keane2097 wrote: »
    McGeeney doesn't care a whole lot about Kildare I'd say, at this stage he just wants some sort of silverware so his burgeoning reputation as a manager doesn't take a nosedive and will use any and all means available to him.
    :rolleyes:


  • #144
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    RickRoll wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Cool story bro.


  • #145
    Gophur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Gophur


    klairondavis wrote: »
    ..............
    BTW, it's the height of irony that Dublin lads are giving out about Kildare and outside players. They've a handful of hurlers who were reared well beyond the M50 and their footballers won numerous All-Irelands prior to the 1970s when their team was backboned by country fellas. Even the Kildare great Larry Stanley won an All-Ireland medal with Dublin in 1923 to go with the one he won with Kildare in 1919.

    The Captain of the 1974 team was a Wicklow man!!!! :D


  • #146
    RickRoll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭RickRoll


    Seanie Johnston will be training with Kildare on Tuesday night. ;)


  • #147
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    RickRoll wrote: »
    Seanie Johnston will be training with Kildare on Tuesday night. ;)

    And good luck to him. He's been a great servant to Cavan football but the panel will hopefully move on better without him.


  • #148
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    An addition like Johnston could be the injection Kildare need to push for that elusive Sam .. I hope so anyways


  • #149
    Dixon1983
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Dixon1983


    Lemlin wrote: »
    RickRoll wrote: »
    Seanie Johnston will be training with Kildare on Tuesday night. ;)

    And good luck to him. He's been a great servant to Cavan football but the panel will hopefully move on better without him.
    He won't be training with Kildare Tuesday night


  • #150
    RickRoll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭RickRoll


    Dixon1983 wrote: »
    He won't be training with Kildare Tuesday night
    I can assure you he will.


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  • #151
    Dixon1983
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Dixon1983


    RickRoll wrote: »
    I can assure you he will.
    look i can assure you he wont train this Tuesday with Kildare . now if you know Seanie you will know that. So really you should get your facts right before you use boards to post what you THINK MIGHT happen.

    Seanie has other things to occupy his mind other than football at this particular time . So get your facts right before you post


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