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New Silent Hill - Del Toro and Kojima
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I'm more interested in how many of the scares will be scripted/forced and how much of it will be cutscenes.
There's nothing wrong with scripted/forced scares - they simply have to be done correctly. One doesn't need to look far to see how heavily authored games can have remarkably powerful moments and setpieces well beyond what can happen in more freeform titles (although they offer their own sort of memorable, emergent moments) - take the first appearance of Pyramid Head in Silent Hill 2 for example. A scripted jump scare is one thing, but there's also an onus on the developer carefully build atmosphere, triggers, associations and much more besides - concepts that are very much still scripted.
There's certainly potential for more dynamic, gameplay driven horror too, but it's a very challenging thing to achieve. I haven't played it so am only basing this on the reviews I've read, but Daylight went for random generation scares, and was deemed by many to be a nearly total failure. Making a player feel weak and vulnerable without it also being majorly frustrating takes great skill (SH Shattered Memories tried it with mixed success). The best scares are painstakingly orchestrated to arrive at the perfect moment, and that can't really be achieved without developers making sure that is the case.
I think the P.T. demo is a good example of a game that has been elegantly designed by its developers, and the player is being forcibly steered in a particular direction and through well-placed setpieces while also being granted enough freedom to work out the secrets at their own pace. That's a solid compromise IMO, and hopefully the final game will expand on that while opening up the design to something more elaborate than an endlessly looping corridor - and hopefully without some of the overly obtuse puzzles and pixel hunting of the demo
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »There's nothing wrong with scripted/forced scares - they simply have to be done correctly. One doesn't need to look far to see how heavily authored games can have remarkably powerful moments and setpieces well beyond what can happen in more freeform titles (although they offer their own sort of memorable, emergent moments) - take the first appearance of Pyramid Head in Silent Hill 2 for example. A scripted jump scare is one thing, but there's also an onus on the developer carefully build atmosphere, triggers, associations and much more besides - concepts that are very much still scripted.
There's certainly potential for more dynamic, gameplay driven horror too, but it's a very challenging thing to achieve. I haven't played it so am only basing this on the reviews I've read, but Daylight went for random generation scares, and was deemed by many to be a nearly total failure. Making a player feel weak and vulnerable without it also being majorly frustrating takes great skill (SH Shattered Memories tried it with mixed success). The best scares are painstakingly orchestrated to arrive at the perfect moment, and that can't really be achieved without developers making sure that is the case.
I think the P.T. demo is a good example of a game that has been elegantly designed by its developers, and the player is being forcibly steered in a particular direction and through well-placed setpieces while also being granted enough freedom to work out the secrets at their own pace. That's a solid compromise IMO, and hopefully the final game will expand on that while opening up the design to something more elaborate than an endlessly looping corridor - and hopefully without some of the overly obtuse puzzles and pixel hunting of the demo
I agree. The level of design throughout the demo and the purposeful restraint it places on the player, without causing excessive frustration, is to be highly commended. Scripting and setpieces are not enemies when used in the right context as is so brilliantly illustrated here.
It genuinely makes me smile that a demo set in an L shaped looping corridor has garnered so much intrigue and surprise, alongside huge open world focused output!
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It's the first game that's made me wish I hadn't bought one:eek:
I wish i had the balls to play beyond the 7th loop
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getting my neck snapped,i could't even watch the video of the scary bit without getting goosebumps
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I'd put money on the project being canned. I'd be very surprised if it's even out of the concept stages.
That would be terrible. The demo garnered so much attention last year. What a wasted opportunity if that does happen.
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Confirmed as canned, as feared in posts from a month ago
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2015/04/26/p-t-the-silent-hills-teaser-is-being-removed-from-the-playstation-store/
PT is being removed from PSN in 3 days, so download it now if you haven't played it yet and might want to at some point.0 -
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No surprises there. I doubt it was even in development stages or even out of early planning so not a huge loss.still I don't think the market can support a game that can live up to Silent Hill 2 so maybe it's for the best that it's not another jump scare filled Downpour.
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