Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Sean Crowley. He coached killeagh last year. IMO clubs should try and stay in house for coaches and managers where possible.

I agree totally in they should be cork men in we have huge coaches, in house I disagree to an extent as take some clubs they need outside man with no ego or connection to club to change ways

Going outside managers outside cork is madness imo and some have more money than sense

Some clubs get in coaches in cork also that are woeful proven by appalling records

I can't understand logic why a top top city club is looking for outside manager and they considering all things in club would be better keeping it local and save their money

Carrigtwohill no surprise are looking for a coach

Ronan dwayne fine at schools but he's record is actually poor in senior management at clubs and imo shouldn't got cork intermediate job however the guys with him may save the day as their good however it does depend on how much input they have

Roman sheehan to be fair is top top gaa man good reader of the game and two boys last year were good also
But we can't judge ronan next year in he's field bran new team which is a joke of a rule imo

If anyone wants teams for today munster final I post them if there's appetite for it..

Rebel norrie wrote: »

A lot of clubs have more money than sense. To be realistic only a few clubs have a chance of winning a county. Why pay big money to outside coaches to just compete. I know of one senior club paying €120 a session to a coach and having no realistic chance of winning the county title. Any rumours on the minor coach for next year.

And that is cheap in I know one coach who charged between 150 to 200 a night when he's with teams and imo if I was club chairman I wouldn't have him near my junior c team in he's record is no way near standard success wise

No news on minor I wouldn't be surprised if dwyer got it and they just four in tewm

Ring may appoint some one who knows
Either way he won't do the fool.

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Did i hear somewhere that Anthony Rainbow is coming to Glanmire / Sarsfields ?

Your joking me???

Makes no sense if true but wouldn't surprise me with sarsfields just type club do it

As of this time this would be my football team for starting in 2015.....
David Hanrahan
Michael Sheilds Eoin Cadogan Noel Galvin
Brian O Driscoll Tomas Clancy { Clon} James Loughrey
Ian Maguire Sean Kiely
Paul Kerrigan Paddy Kelly John O Rourke
Donncha O Connor Colm O Neill Brian Hurley.........

subs....Ken O Halloron, Conor Dorman, Kevin Crowley, Sean White, Tomas Clancy {Fermoy}, Stephen Cronin, Alan Cronin, Fintan Goold, Sean Dineen, Ruari Deane , Michael O Laoire, Daniel Goulding, Mark Collins, Barry O Driscoll, Colm O Driscoll, Donal Og Hodnett, Dan McEoin, Mark Sugrue, Cathal Vaughan......Stephen O Donoughue, Conor O Sullivan and Padraigh Hodnett.....i would have the following players on the extended panel to give them experience.....Kevin Flahive, Cian Kiely, Brian Coakley, Sean O Donoughue and Michael Hurley.......

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Well done to Clonakilty CC and Rocherstown for making the Q-finals of the Corn Ui Mhuiri .....tough luck on Chroist Ri who only lost by a point .....

They led by seven early in the second half though

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Great questions Mikasa

It's hugely competive and choosing the balance is like trying to choose between Glenda gilson, Georgia salpa, lesley turner or celia holman lee, impossible to choose between which one you would ask out for a dance.

My team as of now depending on form etc could change



Declan dalton.  fr o.neills
David griifin carriglaine
Ian cahill cloyne
Seadna smith midelton
Donal english sarsfields
Chris o leary valley rovers
Darragh o brien Killeagh


Midfield
Bill hennessey st finbarrs old christian
Butty mccarthy midelton cbs carrigtwohill

Forwards
Cormack rockies
Shane kingston Douglas
Robbie flynn eirins own
Dan gunning na piarssigh
Michael halloran rockies
John looney aghada

Hi TTM I assume you didnt mean to leave Tim O'Mahony out considering you are an obvious fan?

Blackrock have gone for Eddie Murphy for the new season....interesting .

just my opinion of course I read in the paper tonight regards sarsfields
I'm not at all surprised at all all.
I totally disagree with the article


I said and knew this would happen.
Kilmallock win a county yet moral victory brigade use it as another stone to build their bridge

I hope Kilmallock don't win all ireland and are destroyed by kilkenny champions as then it may blow the myth out the window.
Of course Kilmallock will beat poor ulster teams ger to final so watch it go in to overdrive.

It said that sarsfields could use Kilmallock as motivating for next year and the writer tried to back up he's article by saying other pundits were valid in their points no genuine challenge went against sarsfields in the provincial claim for success.

My opinion to the article solely and purely Is It's cherry picking when it suits.They bemoan the fact they had no challenge if so they fail naively to wonder and questions were sarsfields that good in a poor cork county championship when in fact sarsfields get lot scorer due to soft Frees given by poor referring in cork compared to other counties champions

It tries to create this false myth with no imo real basis That sarsfields are further along the munster glory road and says they have genuine chance not only county but provincial title next year

Same old old same old story.
Moral victory land imo.

My reading is this year sarsfields got beaten in a game. Then still in it at yet they got a non existent glen rovers challenge, couldn't beat an average to good Kilmallock that luckily beat a tired worn out Cratloe in extra time.
Now they did be fair say Cratloe were out feet at half time.

To say sarsfields can win a provincial title is imo just way off.
Look at the facts.
Full back they have huge issue, now. I'm sitting on the fence, I said this prior to the county final, Kilmallock game and indeed at half time, no shock that they conceded horrendous goals to Kilmallock.
Media oblivious to this.

Centre back they gave issues in as fine club player ray Ryan way he's not at the next standard in munster.
He did win credit due munster title with cork guards last night in the inter firm but only munster he will win he won't unfortunately win one with sarsfields
Quigley is fine but roche is average and will be proven by cork

Tadhg og Murphy,not close to elite level
Fraggie tries hard super player in he day for cork but not now
Cian mccarthy hughely overrated appalling county final from play and v Kilmallock, I'm sorry lad's scoring frees is not a case for of great play for me.

And cussen, where do I start.
Temperament game is at greatest point won't do it as proven by awful miss put them point up with time up he's a poor up against any top full back and appalling decision by cuthbhert to recall him in football
To say sarsfields can live off Kilmallock win is just incorrect imo and if sarsfields even belief. A grain of solace in that  they won't win next year as clear as day this team won win munster yet living in dream land they are close to top in essence there way off munster and this year talk was their fit peaking for munster,fair enough if so why we're they flat as a pancake fitness wise in extra time.

They need no short term gain but radical cull of team and infuse new blood and then they can go to win munster again but if people fail to see four dismal munster showing show. In four attempts with no improvement there way off the standard then there going no where

See examples I gave mullinvat Declan wall.
Kilkenny attuide shows the bull##it attuide moral victory means and credit Gavin o mahony saying it in Sunday paper regards limerick hurling.

Mullinavat went agm two prominent gaa men in club I'm told said we're not happywith training.
It was published in kilkenny people even..
They brought in wall and he won a Leinster and intermediate title and won 24 out of 27 games this year.
They don't do moral victory loosing 21 FINAL they demand better.
If they never accepted they had failed they would never had glorious triumph of the league championship and Leinster title this year.

Sarsfields need to accept forget moral victory, they lost no ifs and buts they Lost and examine why they lost and are not close to munster.



Double very good cork football team and overall panel is acceptable.
I wouldn't have kiely and maguire starting in midfield coal face too inexperienced and naive so. I would have laoire proven at club and cork underage.
Terrific panel, you don't have many players I disagree with credit due but gould I wouldn't have and hodnett is no where near this level from carbery
Overall good astute pick.
I'm impressed very impressed.
It's a shame we don't have a competent proven manager however.

If Murphy is confirmed it's excellent choice double.

Blackrock were club I was referencing here bout looking for outside manager but didn't want to say til confirmed

Murphy isn't really outside in he's cork man but he's a good choices.
There was few others in line one from outside county and made no choice if he got it but credit due great choice and I'm glad they got rid of browne as like I said all year poor poor seasons.
Blackrock with minor and u21 and 16 now have manager to compliment the talent and mark my word's county title In two years as he's ruthless but proven manager
I'm delighted as rockies winning a county could rattle a club in munster also.
I agree Fergal ryan could been great choice but look it's great choice and hopefully Fergal or sherlock be with him and learn from him.
Superb news for cork hurling altogether.
Expect few blackrock lad's push cork seniors in two years
.


Awful news for sarsfields as they won't come near them.
Midelton if pat hartnett got the job their imo would be serious next year
Glen won't be too far away.


http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/11/26/sister-act-5/
I posted the link here as we must not forget these girls simply must not forget them in their quest for all ireland success.

It's been busy week in cork gaa off field on it,and in harty and corn u mhuire and then managers appointment etc but we must not simply must not forget our ladies as they deserve our tremendous support also

Remember there representing cork and put in same if not more commitment as men, their not born with silver spoon in their hand either they fight for every thing they get
People should at very least watch them on tg4

Mourneabbey had to fund raise for trip UK earlier year to make it UK.
Best luck them
I will record it on tg four
Their a credit to their parish, their county.
Mourneabbey in that great great I mean really really great football aera in both men and women game where there real real I mean real gaa people.

Where is Murphy a proven manager of a senior hurling team TTM?

Smith614 wrote: »

Sars are dire as is standard of cork club hurling. Ballyhea beaten by Lixnaw a dire result. SARS brutal in Munster for past few yrs. Courcey rovers beaten by Ballyduff in 2012 intermediate championship. 2 yrs out of 4 and cork intermediate champions beaten by Kerry teams. Nuff said .

Your own posts which had lot truth
Now do Me a favour get a look at last night's paper and read the article that try to falsely create this misperception that sarsfields are closer to an all ireland and actually yes wait for it not only good enough to won cork county but indeed munster next year all cause Kilmallock won Sunday
Now if you think I'm cheering for Kilmallock so that nonense is promoted I'm sorry not my style.


You agree that sarsfields are poor.
My point is we agree but the moral victory brigade will gras at any straw they can to say sarsfields are not that bad etc etc and Kilmallock winning is not good as all we hear sarsfields could beaten them.
Instead of the could have if. The maybee people should but won't ask the facts

Why senior cork intercounty player held to a point from play
Why a full back clearly in trouble was left at half time for another fifty minutes in the square
What there spread of scoring bar soft goals to porous Kilmallock defence was poor

So I think if you revaluate the whole situation you can see my side
I do agree that saying they be destroyed is harsh to be fair it is but look if ballyhale beat them well it would show that this side is not as great as there made out to be and cork hurling in club level is so far off the top elite level
I want what's best for cork and my pet hate I apologise in advance is moral victory nonense In county like cork gaa where I grew up in aera cork expected and demands to win all level.

Smith614 wrote: »

You just get too excited when anyone disagrees with you. You compare Newtown with Kilmallock, Newtown came with 1 team and did well for few yrs. Kilmalllock have won munster titles with different teams. So Sars, Kilmallock, Cratloe, Thurles sars, ballygunner are all poor senior hurling teams. Is there any decent club hurling team in munster.?? . (Sars are not good enough to win munster, I agree and tiredness or no tiredness would not have beaten Cratloe.hopefully a team can emerge in Cork to carry the flag in munster.)
Moral victories are for minnows . The day we accept moral victories we are a minnow.

Fair points I don't get too excited when when anyone disagree with me once itd backed up with fact

In fairness you said I insulted Kilmallock etc etc like red flag to a bull, in fairness course I was going to strongly debate my point

I have nothing against Kilmallock what I have an issue with is how their success is used as a blindfold in cork at times to paper over cracks
And you know me at this I despise moral victory nonense and you to be fair are the same

zetecescort wrote: »

Lord Mayors cup fixtures, first rounds tomorrow night.

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/346975/Lord_Mayor_s_Cup_Hurling_Commences_Tomorrow_Night

Imo midelton should not be in it as timing is wrong
They are performing well in rice, white cups, Dean ryan harty so much on they don't need this with the Callaghan cup and harty cup also taking huge focus for them this imo no extra benefit to them adding games don't need

Few other top schools pulled out shows imo great idea it was it was poorly devised and timing of it not properly though out or communicated to cork school and it doesn't surprise me with who was running it
It's off to a poor start imo

Cu Baire wrote: »

Disappointed in a poster who obviously has a great knowledge of all things hurling in Cork, Limerick and elsewhere.
Hoping for a team to lose so that another team don't get a false sense of their own ability seems small-minded and unsporting to me.
Surely hurling people should be hoping that the games are as competitive as possible.

I thought the Kilmallock Sars game was very good and either team could have won on the day.
I thought the Kilmallock Cratloe game was exceptional and either team could have won in normal time.

I think the Kilmallock Portaferry game will be competitive but Kilmallock should have better skill levels due to playing senior hurling in a stronger hurling environment over a long period of time.

I think either Portumna or Ballyhale will get to the final but I would not bet against a shock or two along the way in Galway or Leinster.
If Ballyhale in particular get to the final it is very hard to see them being beaten as in my opinion they have one of the best club teams ever. But all teams can be beaten on a particular day, even the great ones such as Birr, Newtown etc.
We all have our opinions and all players and teams have strengths and weaknesses so there should be no need to be condescending or insulting to other posters just because they see things differently.

Look it's a view that you is based on realism
Watch late late few weeks ago it will show you attuide of Brian o driscoll
Now before you judge read the article

I don't want to Kilmallock to win as yes cork will be lot poorer in club hurling for it
You want to accept failure and be fair quite understandable all things considered fair enough but cork don't doubt moral victory as many posters clearly don't either

I'm not here to annoy him and certainly not here for celebrity status if so I'd join big brother, I simply have no agenda but am truthfully realistic In my thoughts and my agenda is the exception cork gaa to be great again and not as other poster said with great respect to some minnows

This is cork after all.

And also I love the moral high ground

Please practice what you preach

Did you not make a start comment regards my writing style on the harty cup thread saying you got headache to read my post and as poster said that's more your problem as no one else had a problem

The same courtesy you preach you should allow me also
Thanks.

Iecrawfc wrote: »

The same poster came onto the limerick thread specifically to write off Kilmallock's chances and say they only beat Cratloe because they were tired! Some would say that is wumming! Didn't get the response he was looking for, Bad form in my book, if you can't comment on games and other teams without being insulting then you shouldn't bother...everybody has an opinion but to be trying to belittle a team that has just won a Munster title is a little over the top, especially a club team.

No I did not and I don't wum
It was told to discuss limerick gaa matters that match do that thread
I mentioned it here as article In cork paper yesterday refencing it

I don't unlike you just do opions I back up it up
If you think I'm going to say any team has all ireland chance when they don't just cause people like yourself and won't see that's unlikely I'm sorry, I won't do that

In fact look again and some of your own said that team had no chance of winning the all ireland
I simply said that which even some have acknowledged that Cratloe had no chance in extra time due to tiredness
You want to get carried away with that fair enough.

Iecrawfc wrote: »

Last work on this as it's the cork gaa thread but Moral victories? Kilmallock did win the Munster club final so where's the moral victory, they did actually win didn't they??

My last word as I owe you the courtesy of a reply
Moral victory I said was Gavin o mahony interview Sunday which was before the game as he couldn't do interview game itself, that was after kilkenny beating limerick
Sarsfields which sparked the debate was said in cork paper closer to munster titles based on Kilmallock win
I simply said cork shouldn't do moral victories and as I'm a cork man with respect to limerick cork comes first and I want anyone but kilmallock win as cork hype will go in to overdrive and cork club hurling is poor and needs changing but won't if people think we're close to munster when as many cork lad's said sarsfields are not great but very good in cork club scene

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cop on smith with your view I'm too harsh
I judge a win on its merits


Your the very one that said there is no excuse if pa Callaghan doesn't play hurling this year not realising it's entirely he's chooce soley If he wants to play or not he is a young lad don't forget


Don't preach to me about ethics or morality sunshine when you have not a clue what your talking about

Its quite reasonable for me and many to say it's better Kilmallock don't win as If so they do the fact cork some will live off moral victory land that could been us without looking at why they lost

Don't compare apples and oranges
Kilmallock haven't come close to newtown yet when they do fair point

Look Kilmallock beat a tired team in extra time even Joe mcgrath said lad's are exhausted
Now they will beat a poor ulster team in the semifinal
If they beat or come close to ballyhale fair point but they won't
When cork minors lost to Waterford I wanted Waterford not to win the all ireland simply as I said all we would hair was how cork lost point to all ireland champions and guess what pat kenneally got ringing endorsement by Bob Ryan on that and a
The 21 job

Your right about pa Callaghan that's his own choice but you blamed pat kenneally for him not playing u 21 So you have to retract that.

solwhit12 wrote: »

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cop on smith with your view I'm too harsh
I judge a win on its merits


Your the very one that said there is no excuse if pa Callaghan doesn't play hurling this year not realising it's entirely he's chooce soley If he wants to play or not he is a young lad don't forget


Don't preach to me about ethics or morality sunshine when you have not a clue what your talking about

Its quite reasonable for me and many to say it's better Kilmallock don't win as If so they do the fact cork some will live off moral victory land that could been us without looking at why they lost

Don't compare apples and oranges
Kilmallock haven't come close to newtown yet when they do fair point

Look Kilmallock beat a tired team in extra time even Joe mcgrath said lad's are exhausted
Now they will beat a poor ulster team in the semifinal
If they beat or come close to ballyhale fair point but they won't
When cork minors lost to Waterford I wanted Waterford not to win the all ireland simply as I said all we would hair was how cork lost point to all ireland champions and guess what pat kenneally got ringing endorsement by Bob Ryan on that and a
The 21 job

Your right about pa Callaghan that's his own choice but you blamed pat kenneally for him not playing u 21 So you have to retract that.

I mentioned pa playing for seniors as in terms commitment wise
U21 is only four games the u21 was poor as clare proved
My point clearly was a good u21 coach better position to entice lad play when just had few games than senior
And look most bar yourself probably knew u21 set up was not going to do well this year

solwhit12 wrote: »

Don't get him started he's bad enough.

Will you kindly retract that so please a comment towards myself when I was just doing normal debate two weeks so.

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Footballers play Mary I in McGrath Cup ......and hurlers play U.L. in Waterford Crystal Cup ......let the games begin !!

What you make draw double

Footballers will beat Mary I but I agree they then will be playing Tipp ....I know its only the McGrath Cup but Tipp will fancy putting down a marker against us ....the hurlers like you say will get the two warm up games with respects to U.L. and C.I.T. ...who ever they play in the semi final they will want to put a decent team with a view to the Kilkenny game . My god one season finishes ...the gaa neaver seems to have a closed season ....would we want any other way....