Gotham (Fox) [ Spoilers ]

Richard Dower · 09-08-2013 7:56pm #1

I would LOVe if HBO could create a 10 episode season Batman show, but focus on Bruce Wayne for the first two/three seasons as he tries to battle corruption the old fashioned way, then then over time turn him into Batman and have that angle.

But Gotham would not be about Bruce Wayne...it could be about multiple characters, The Joker before he becomes him...more grounded in reality a-la Arrow for the first two seasons and then go comic book later on.

But i would just like to see a Gotham tv show...there have been attempts but to no avail, thoughts?

don ramo · 10-08-2013 11:08am

it would be a unbelievable show if it was done right no doubt, the obvious issue is getting the rights to make the show, maybe if the new S.H.I.E.L.D show is a success DC may give the go ahead, but its hard to see them doing anything about batman away from the big screen any time soon, with the superman/batman film in 2015 more than likely being the first of many DC crossover films coming in the next decade,

also its a great idea as you said to have it centered on bruce wayne and show him become batman over 2-3 seasons, but you know there would be so many complaints about it after even a season without seeing batman,

whatever about arrow i think S.H.I.E.L.D is gonna be the show that will decide what kind of path comic book tv shows will take, it high concept on a big network channel, it will prove there is a audience for these kind of show that can justify a large investment, i doubt CW would invest more than $2million in an episode of shows like nikita or arrow, compared to network shows that would pay about $4million an episode, and then cable shows which can get as high as $7million an episode (Game of Thrones),

but id say a batman origin series would definitely be worth the risk

McLoughlin · 10-08-2013 12:46pm

Been tried before with Bruce Wayne TV Show but Batman was kept for the film screen and we got Smallville instead

Dman001 · 11-08-2013 1:44pm

Possibly something similar is in the works as we speak!

http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/television/2013/8/7/warner-bros-has-gotham-pd-inspired-tv-show-lurking-in-the-sh.html/

don ramo · 11-08-2013 6:26pm

Dman001 wrote: »

Possibly something similar is in the works as we speak!

http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/television/2013/8/7/warner-bros-has-gotham-pd-inspired-tv-show-lurking-in-the-sh.html/

set between TDK and TDKR so no batman and no bruce wayne, he became a recluse after TDK and wasnt see for years till TDKR, still id watch it

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CW TBF have done well with Nikita and Arrow and Smallville wasnt really that bad early on, 10 season run generally wane more and more with each passing season, and also there would be less aliens and magic hokey in batman, would love a Showtime, AMC or HBO series being honest though,

expectationlost · 11-08-2013 8:33pm

Person of Interest.

Stereomaniac · 11-08-2013 9:16pm

Why are you saying person of interest, is that some reference to Batman, or a television show?

Dman001 · 11-08-2013 9:41pm

don ramo wrote: »

set between TDK and TDKR so no batman and no bruce wayne, he became a recluse after TDK and wasnt see for years till TDKR, still id watch it ,

CW TBF have done well with Nikita and Arrow and Smallville wasnt really that bad early on, 10 season run generally wane more and more with each passing season, and also there would be less aliens and magic hokey in batman, would love a Showtime, AMC or HBO series being honest though,

I think to capture the real grit and darkness Gotham brings, it could only be portrayed through the freedom premium cable offers. The reason the Batman games (Arkham Asylum/City) worked so well is because they were marketed towards the more mature market (with a rating of 15+). The CW is too tweeny for my liking.

don ramo · 11-08-2013 10:00pm

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Why are you saying person of interest, is that some reference to Batman, or a television show?

probably cause its the closet show on at the moment that would be somewhat what you would expect from a batman show, a vigilante running around town with help from others (the cops, the fixers he knows, others hes helped and finch of course) to solve crimes, not as many gadgets and no mask but as close as you can get really,

don ramo · 11-08-2013 10:04pm

Dman001 wrote: »

I think to capture the real grit and darkness Gotham brings, it could only be portrayed through the freedom premium cable offers. The reason the Batman games (Arkham Asylum/City) worked so well is because they were marketed towards the more mature market (with a rating of 15+). The CW is too tweeny for my liking.

theyd do a decent job, but a cable channel would allow it to be so much better, arrow being fair is a pretty good show, there is a little do much angsty drama for my liking, but shows like that can survive on channels like the CW if your willing to accept compromise,

Dman001 · 25-09-2013 9:28am

Gotham has got the go ahead:
http://m.digitalspy.ie/ustv/news/a518249/batman-tv-series-gotham-based-on-commissioner-gordon-ordered-by-fox.html

This has so much potential, so really hope they don't mess it up. But I've little hope for Network television, and it does smell of WBs attempt to meet Agents of SHIELD. I don't think it was a coincidence that this was announced the same day AoS aired in the States.

dublinman1990 · 09-10-2013 2:13pm

Dman001 wrote: »

Gotham has got the go ahead:
http://m.digitalspy.ie/ustv/news/a518249/batman-tv-series-gotham-based-on-commissioner-gordon-ordered-by-fox.html

This has so much potential, so really hope they don't mess it up. But I've little hope for Network television, and it does smell of WBs attempt to meet Agents of SHIELD. I don't think it was a coincidence that this was announced the same day AoS aired in the States.

I am liking this. This show sounds like a really interesting take on Gordon.

A spin-off show on him does suggest that using him from the popularity of Batman as a superhero is obviously very clever. I would like to see how this show is being reviewed by everyone who sees it by the viewing public. The Batman series of the 60's was the last ever live action TV series ever made. And this new venture is something that can be very useful for the 1930's era and beyond that.

If there was a possibility of this been shown on RTE Two like AOS; it would be a good idea to have it.

JP Liz V1 · 13-01-2014 10:43pm

Gotham the recently ordered series about the origins of oneday police commish James Gordon, will not only also follow a young Bruce Wayne’s journey to becoming Batman but feature iconic villains Source

aidan_walsh · 13-01-2014 10:51pm

Ugh. Did someone just finish their Smallville boxset?

pixelburp · 13-01-2014 10:57pm

That's disappointing news to me; there's a wealth of stories you can tell from the Gotham police departments, and with Gordon in the middle as the moral centre, struggling on his own against forces inside the force and out, the potential was there for a unique perspective. Now it runs the risk of becoming just another Batman story, or worse: a Smallville clone.

titan18 · 13-01-2014 11:16pm

Mightn't be too bad if they leave him towards the side. It's Gotham City, so obviously Bruce Wayne will be involved and around, it'd be kind of weird not to show him, so hoping it's more like a 3rd/4th character

jenjenten · 22-01-2014 10:06pm

Danny Cannon to direct the pilot....rumour suggets the most expensive pilot in tv history!

don ramo · 09-02-2014 1:06am

Jim Gordon has been cast, Sountland alum Ben McKenzie is set to play the future commissioner Gordon, i never watched sountland and havent heard of him before, but it nice to see some movement on the show,

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/08/ben-mckenzie-gotham/

jenjenten · 09-02-2014 1:19am

don ramo wrote: »

Jim Gordon has been cast, Sountland alum Ben McKenzie is set to play the future commissioner Gordon, i never watched sountland and havent heard of him before, but it nice to see some movement on the show,

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/08/ben-mckenzie-gotham/

Honestly....not sure what to make of this. No disrespect to Ben Mc, he did an outstanding job on Southland and truely burushed off his early O.C. days.

Its just.....when i picture Jim Gordon, young or not, this actor NEVER sprang to mind!?

I get that this show will be more grounded in reality, ala Nolans films and Arrow, it'll probably be largely proceadural with mini arcs + season arcs.

Lots of easter eggs and early versions of The Joker, Penguin etc.
But it *needs* to be comicbooky enough to draw in the fanboys....using Almost Human as an example, that show has failed BECAUSE it was played too straight, too proceadural and not enough Sci-Fi or serialised.

Case-of-the-week will kill this show, it needs to be at least semi serialised ala Arrow.

I want this show to succeed but this casting.....

....guess i have to wait and see what Ben does with the character.

Agent Coulson · 09-02-2014 3:05pm

Danny Cannon as director I am have expecting CSI Gotham to be honest.

Alfred Borden · 09-02-2014 3:19pm

Only saw this thread now, this could be brilliant if done correctly and could get a decent amount of mileage out of it. Whens it due to start filming?

pixelburp · 09-02-2014 3:24pm

CSI Gotham is precisely what this will be at the start because that's the safest path any American cop-centric show takes to get its premise established. No point bombarding the audience with mythology, arcs and twists before they have a chance to ground themselves in its world; it's just basic narrative common sense, especially if you're introducing a cast of characters from the Batman mythology not immediately familiar to Joe Public.

I am curious to know just how 'real' this show will get; the Nolan films famously aimed itself at a more realistic portrayal, dropping the more fantastic and mystical elements from the Batman universe in favour of a grittier, tech-thriller tone; will the TV show go anywhere near the more overtly sci-fi characters like Killer Croc, Clayface and so on?

aidan_walsh · 09-02-2014 10:46pm

The best approach would be the one Arrow took and started out with the more feasible, straightforward characters, then started working towards the more outlandish ones once the universe had been built up a little, reinterpreting where necessary.

I'm still not sure that it really works to have these guys operating before there is even a Batman to contend with them though.

don ramo · 09-02-2014 11:03pm

well gordon is suppose to be the central character, and bruce wayne wasnt suppose to be in it at all, but they have since changed their minds about that, so that would mean this batman interpretation will be a bit different from the one were used to, i would think gordon is still gonna be the central character, maybe wayne might be in his mid-late teens, and he will approach gordon about his parents murder which will lead to multiple interactions between them,

it would be good to follow the smallville approach and show waynes development into batman, but not actually have him as batman in the show, or maybe after 6-7 seasons, or in the last episode,

i think they might follow S.H.I.E.L.Ds approach and develop characters and bad guys over a season or so, and make it less episodic in season 2, person of interest done that superbly, it went from what you expected to be a procedural for its 6-7 season run, to a very rich in debt story arc, that doesnt seem to be letting up,

Lucas Hood · 10-02-2014 11:18am

Ben McKenzie is brilliant ,he was outstanding in Southland.

jenjenten · 10-02-2014 11:48am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Danny Cannon as director I am have expecting CSI Gotham to be honest.

he has done more then that http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134176/

he can do action stuff and proceadural.

Agent Coulson · 10-02-2014 7:52pm

jenjenten wrote: »

he has done more then that http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134176/

he can do action stuff and proceadural.

I know and he has turned his hand to a comic book before with awful Sylvester Stallone Judge Dredd.

JP Liz V1 · 10-02-2014 9:54pm

don ramo wrote: »

Jim Gordon has been cast, Sountland alum Ben McKenzie is set to play the future commissioner Gordon, i never watched sountland and havent heard of him before, but it nice to see some movement on the show,

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/08/ben-mckenzie-gotham/

He is just too good looking

aidan_walsh · 11-02-2014 7:48pm

http://www.slashfilm.com/gotham-casts-the-penguin-alfred-gordons-boss-and-his-fiance/

Cobblepot will be played by Walking Dead and Accepted actor Robin Lord Taylor, while Sean Pertwee, who you know from Dog Soldiers and Event Horizon, will play Alfred. Read more casting from the show below.

Variety wrote about the casting, which also includes Zabryna Guevara (Law and Order) as Captain Essen, Gordon’s boss at the Gotham City Police Department, and Erin Richards (Breaking In) as Barbara Kean, Gordon’s finance. If the show follows the Batman history established in the Year One comic story, Essen and Kean could eventually end up at odds.

Here’s how each character is described by the trade, which offers some new information on the show:
Cobblepot: ”With the brains of a chess grandmaster and the morals of a jackal, Cobblepot is a low-level psychopath for gangster Fish Mooney, and hides his sadistic lust for power behind an exquisitely polite demeanor.”

Alfred: “A tough-as-nails ex-marine from East London, Pennyworth has loyally served the Wayne family. Now, in the wake of their tragic deaths, he’s fiercely protective of the young Bruce Wayne — the boy who will eventually become Batman.”

Essen: “Essen balances the two worlds of police and politics with a Machiavellian skill that’s as much corporate litigator as cop.”

Kean: “A sophisticated emergency doctor, Kean stands by her husband amid the corrupt world of Gotham.”

Possibly cues from Year One with Sarah Essen and Barbera Kean vying for Gordon's attentions?

pixelburp · 11-02-2014 8:06pm

Well that at least confirms it'll be set while Bruce is still a young kid & the murder is relatively recent; I wonder with the presence of Pertwee if Alfred'll have a more active role, considering how many action roles are in Pertwee's CV.

Agent Coulson · 11-02-2014 8:33pm

Sean Pertwee as Alfred could be an inspired choice.

jenjenten · 12-02-2014 12:38am

^ i am not familiar with these actors or their body of work....are they any good?
Based on the info though, i wonder if Alfred and young Master Bruce will have a bigger role in this then i think. Perhaps Bruce will be a new damsel in distress for this show?

I'm getting Arrow vibes a plenty.........

http://www.boomtron.com/2014/01/gotham-to-serve-as-origin-story-for-batmans-entire-universe/

Agent Coulson · 12-02-2014 2:05pm

The new Alfred: A tough-as-nails ex-marine from East London.

Then in a suit.

Temptamperu · 12-02-2014 10:40pm

Fox also did agents of shield, so im not expecting much.

Agent Coulson · 12-02-2014 10:43pm

Temptamperu wrote: »

Fox also did agents of shield, so im not expecting much.

ABC are doing Agents.

But Fox have a huge list of failures.

aidan_walsh · 13-02-2014 12:50pm

Donal Logue signs on as Harvey Bullock

Alfred Borden · 13-02-2014 1:04pm

some fine casting already

jenjenten · 19-02-2014 1:41pm

New interview/info....expect spoilers: http://nerdrepository.com/interview-donal-logue-talks-conflict-character-development-gotham/

pixelburp · 19-02-2014 2:10pm

Still along way to go, but I'm intrigued by all the talk of timelessness; sounds like the script's going for an aesthetic that doesn't immediately date events by its use of contemporary technology. I wonder if that'll bleed into the production design.

jenjenten · 19-02-2014 2:39pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sean Pertwee as Alfred could be an inspired choice.

I recognise him now!....he played Inspector LeStrade on Elementary

jenjenten · 19-02-2014 2:41pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Still along way to go, but I'm intrigued by all the talk of timelessness; sounds like the script's going for an aesthetic that doesn't immediately date events by its use of contemporary technology. I wonder if that'll bleed into the production design.

Pretty sure it will, much like the first Batman movie....it looked like it was set in the 1930's. The did the same thing on The Flash from 1990.

I loved how they merge the old with the new, old cars...wearing hats....art deco sets etc.

Potatoeman · 19-02-2014 2:55pm

Someone was telling me that the marvel tv show has a small budget due to licencing the name and you wont get cameos for the same reason. Any idea what the licence cost is of the overall budgets?

Agent Coulson · 19-02-2014 5:34pm

Jada Pinkett Smith joins the cast.

Sourse

I'm not a fan of I have to say I just hope it's not a staring role.

pixelburp · 19-02-2014 9:17pm

Could have been worse, could have been Jaden Smith

If that press release is accurate though, it reveals more hints about what version of Gotham this will be; it specifically mentioned 'extra-sensory abilities', so it looks like the more science-fictional elements are definitely on the cards

aidan_walsh · 04-03-2014 8:53pm

No major surprises who the last two characters announced are.

Touch’s David Mazouz has been cast as a young Bruce Wayne, thus confirming once and for all the character will exist in the series and that he will be around for more than just the pilot. “Sentenced to a solitary life after the tragic murder of his wealthy parents, young Bruce relies on the guidance and protection of Alfred Pennyworth and James Gordon.”

Freshman actress Camren Bicondova will play a teenage orphan version of Selina Kyle who “is suspicious and wholly unpredictable. A street thief and skilled pickpocket, she’s dangerous when cornered.”

I guess since Alfred was announced as a regular it was only going to be the case that Bruce was as well.

don ramo · 04-03-2014 9:18pm

its coming together nicely now, more or less all the roles have now been filled, should be interesting to see how they portray bruce wayne in this, im assuming theyll show us from 2 or 3 different perspectives, only alfred will interact with bruce, but also gordon, gordon shouldn't have to much interaction with wayne, and maybe show things from the penguins perspective also,

i wonder how theyll go about training bruce, seeing as their saying he should become batman in the final episode ALA smallville

jenjenten · 04-03-2014 10:16pm

aidan_walsh wrote: »

No major surprises who the last two characters announced are.

I guess since Alfred was announced as a regular it was only going to be the case that Bruce was as well.

^ not familiar with that kid from Touch, was he any good?
Just guessing here, but i assume young master Bruce will have a series long story arc, building him up and putting in the pieces that will one day make him Batman.

Since Alfred and Gordon are protectors i assume he could be a sometime damsel-in-distress, with Alred ex military he could possibly train Bruce?

They will need to age down some characters, Selina Kyle is a good idea here....we know who she becomes and who her eventual love interest is.

But will they reach a point in say series 4/5 when that actor playing Bruce will have to be replaced with some in their late teens?

It'll be VERY interesting who they cast as Jack Napier/Joker......!!

jenjenten · 04-03-2014 10:20pm

don ramo wrote: »

its coming together nicely now, more or less all the roles have now been filled, should be interesting to see how they portray bruce wayne in this, im assuming theyll show us from 2 or 3 different perspectives, only alfred will interact with bruce, but also gordon, gordon shouldn't have to much interaction with wayne, and maybe show things from the penguins perspective also,

i wonder how theyll go about training bruce, seeing as their saying he should become batman in the final episode ALA smallville

^ re: Gordon....if they have him kidnapped or in some danger every few episodes Gordon or Alread will have to save him. The kid is worth billions....and with the Gotham crime problems and weirdos he's a prime target!

I think Alred trains him to a certain extent, because if he's being targeted he'll need to defend himself. They'll give him a certain skill level before he goes off to meet Ras Al Gul and his final training....imo.

Agent Coulson · 04-03-2014 10:21pm

I wasn't impressed with the kid in Touch. But then I think he only spoke once in the two seasons other than doing voice overs.

So depending on his role and how big it is he mightn't have much to do here either.

jenjenten · 10-03-2014 1:00am

Drew Powell has been cast in a guest starring/recurring role in Fox‘s Batman prequel drama Gotham, which has a series commitment. Based on DC characters from the Batman universe, Gotham explores the origin stories of Commissioner James Gordon (Ben McKenzie) as an idealistic rookie detective in Gotham City, along with Bruce Wayne and the villains who made Gotham City famous. Powell will play Butch Gilzean, the deceptively clever and ambitious second-in-command to sadistic gangster boss Fish Mooney (Jada Pinkett Smith).

via dealine.com

jenjenten · 12-03-2014 2:44pm

"Everyone knows the name Commissioner Gordon. He is one of the crime world's greatest foes, a man whose reputation is synonymous with law and order. But what is known of Gordon's story and his rise from rookie detective to Police Commissioner? What did it take to navigate the multiple layers of corruption that secretly ruled Gotham City, the spawning ground of the world's most iconic villains? And what circumstances created them - the larger-than-life personas who would become Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, Two-Face and The Joker?

'GOTHAM' is an origin story of the great DC Comics super villains and vigilantes, revealing an entirely new chapter that has never been told. From executive producer/writer Bruno Heller ('The Mentalist,' 'Rome'), 'GOTHAM' follows one cop's rise through a dangerously corrupt city teetering on the edge of evil and chronicles the birth of one of the most popular super heroes of our time.

Growing up in Gotham City's surrounding suburbs, JAMES GORDON (Ben McKenzie, 'Southland,' 'The O.C.') romanticized the city as a glamorous and exciting metropolis where his late father once served as a successful district attorney. Now, two weeks into his new job as a Gotham City detective and engaged to his beloved fiancée, BARBARA KEAN (Erin Richards, 'Open Grave,' 'Breaking In'), Gordon is living his dream - even as he hopes to restore the city back to the pure version he remembers it was as a kid.

Brave, honest and ready to prove himself, the newly-minted detective is partnered with the brash, but shrewd police legend HARVEY BULLOCK (Donal Logue, 'Sons of Anarchy,' 'Terriers,' 'Vikings,' 'Copper'), as the two stumble upon the city's highest-profile case ever: the murder of local billionaires Thomas and Martha Wayne. At the scene of the crime, Gordon meets the sole survivor: the Waynes' hauntingly intense 12-year-old son, BRUCE (David Mazouz, 'Touch'), toward whom the young detective feels an inexplicable kinship. Moved by the boy's profound loss, Gordon vows to catch the killer.

As he navigates the often-underhanded politics of Gotham's criminal justice system, Gordon will confront imposing gang boss FISH MOONEY (Jada Pinkett Smith, 'The Matrix' films, 'HawthoRNe,' 'Collateral'), and many of the characters who will become some of fiction's most renowned, enduring villains, including a teenaged SELINA KYLE/the future CATWOMAN (acting newcomer Camren Bicondova) and OSWALD COBBLEPOT/THE PENGUIN (Robin Lord Taylor, 'The Walking Dead,' 'Another Earth').

Although the crime drama will follow Gordon's turbulent and singular rise through the Gotham City police department, led by Police Captain SARAH ESSEN (Zabryna Guevara, 'Burn Notice'), it also will focus on the unlikely friendship Gordon forms with the young heir to the Wayne fortune, who is being raised by his unflappable butler, ALFRED (Sean Pertwee, 'Camelot,' 'Elementary'). It is a friendship that will last them all of their lives, playing a crucial role in helping the young boy eventually become the crusader he's destined to be.

'GOTHAM' is based upon characters published by DC Comics and is produced by Warner Bros. Television. Executive producer Bruno Heller ('The Mentalist') wrote the pilot, which will be directed and executive-produced by Emmy Award nominee Danny Cannon (the 'CSI' series, 'Nikita')."

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