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Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

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    #122
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    Did I read correctly that the occupants of the polo where aged between 13 and 33?That don't sit right,no matter which way you look it.The guards have been quite public about ongoing operations against organised burglary gangs using the main roads out of Dublin,and have indeed had some success in that regard,but I've lost count how many fatalities I remember from police pursuits in this country.Baldonnel is about a 5min chopper ride away,the air support unit should have been scrambled,the boys in pursuit would have pulled back,and and let other units further ahead block the off ramps or deploy those stinger things.They were on a motorway,so they had these scumbags contained to a certain extent,with some coordination from the air this tragedy might have been avoided.God love the poor woman and her family,and hopefully a swift recovery for the two cops

    Does the air support helicopter have nightflying and all weather capability?
    Does it have "skyshout" loudspeakers , thermal cameras and powerful searchlights?
    If it isn't kitted out with these facilities it would be next to useless in a nighttime emergency.
    Peanuts and monkeys?


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    #123
    Anita M.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Anita M.


    And yet again people screaming for more gardai: There are too many gardai and they are in the wrong places. What if there had been no garda car there to chase the lot for passing a toll barrier without paying? There would not have been a victim.
    A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.


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    #124
    Hitchens
    Registered Users Posts: 7,975 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    The leader of that gang in the Polo should get the death penalty and the sooner it is brought back the better it will be for this country and it's people.

    The other four of them should get long sentences of hard labour and no televisions in the cells with them.

    Deepest sympathy to the family of the unfortunate innocent victim, and also to the Gardai involved.


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    #125
    The_Captain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    RoboRat wrote: »
    Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

    Unlawful: yes
    Killing: yes
    Premeditated: debatable but if you drive into somebody at a high speed using your car as a weapon then IMO, thats premeditated.

    Will they get charged for it, no. My point was that they should get charged for it.

    Legally, they'll be charged with dangerous driving causing death with a possibility of a 10 year sentence


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    #126
    KERSPLAT!
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    Anita M. wrote: »
    And yet again people screaming for more gardai: There are too many gardai and they are in the wrong places. What if there had been no garda car there to chase the lot for passing a toll barrier without paying? There would not have been a victim.
    A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

    Read the thread and related articles. They crashed through a toll barrier and are suspects in house thefts. I don't think paying their toll charges was much of a worry to them


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    #127
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    sReq | uTeK wrote: »
    Basterds, rip. Poor woman's family. I hope those scumbags get locked up for 20 years.


    However I would like to know why it's seen as a necessity to chase youths on a busy motorway. Is not far more convenient to just follow them with a chopper of sorts to avoid what happened.

    It's also like to know if the garda who stopped them were qualified to pursue at high speed s

    Your assumption is that the youths are only going from A to B. They generally tend to be joy riding, which means they are going to be a danger either way. They head out the motorways, steal a car and joyride it back to areas like Cherry Orchard where they proceed to drive the **** out of them in green areas and housing estates until they crash.


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    #128
    Idbatterim
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    there is always someone "unfortunate" when an incident like this happens, that get the book thrown at them to deter others in future, this should be that incident, hit them with every charge possible, there are levels of scum, release some other lesser scum bag down the chain earlier to free up the space if needs be!

    There is often talk of we need the kids to be tomorrows taxpayers, imagine the net gain to society if non of the scum had walked from that Polo!


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    #129
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Anita M. wrote: »
    A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

    Before or after they torched the stolen car?


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    #130
    The Muppet
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    Barely There wrote: »
    Of course you're not a sheep.
    You're a very special and unique little snowflake who's able to come up with loads of 'theories' based on practically no information what-so-ever.

    Oh! what theory did I come up with?


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    #131
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Iranoutofideas wrote: »
    Said on Newstalk the occupants of the Polo are travellers.

    Makes no difference whether they are Travellers, Settled, Settled Travellers or or mixture of everything.

    They are scum through and through. More than likely dragged up by parental scum who passed on their habits to them, just as they were passing them on to the 13 year old in the car.

    FFS What kind of cretinous arseholes bring a child on a burglary spree? Absolute pure and utter scum.

    They should be done for child neglect as well as manslaughter.


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    #132
    RoboRat
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    A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

    Not... quite.... sure.... what... to.... say....


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    #133
    JillyQ
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    The_Captain wrote: »
    Legally, they'll be charged with dangerous driving causing death with a possibility of a 10 year sentence

    the sentence for that offence should be changed to at least 25years.


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    #134
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Lapin wrote: »

    FFS What kind of cretinous arseholes bring a child on a burglary?

    The kind that need a small body to get through a small window in order to open the back door.


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    #135
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    endacl wrote: »
    The kind that need a small body to get through a small window in order to open the back door.

    It also acts like an apprenticeship. They learn how to hotwire cars, fish keys through the letterbox and how to pick a good mark.


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    #136
    cometogether
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    I am so enraged reading this. Throw the book at these c unts. Thoughts with the family of this lady


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    #137
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    endacl wrote: »
    The kind that need a small body to get through a small window in order to open the back door.

    Yes I know. My question was more of an attack at the mindset of these scumbags rather than their actual use of children to commit crimes.


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    #138
    Shady Tady
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    Anita M. wrote: »
    And yet again people screaming for more gardai: There are too many gardai and they are in the wrong places. What if there had been no garda car there to chase the lot for passing a toll barrier without paying? There would not have been a victim.
    A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

    If they had robbed your house you'd be singing a different tune, pathetic post! RIP to the woman who died and thoughts are with her family.


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    #139
    The_Captain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    Pavee Point have released a statement condemning the behaviour of these people and saying that actions like this will only further the discrimination that members of the travelling community are subjected to


    lol of course they haven't. you settled people are just racist for criticising them


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    #140
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Hitchens wrote: »
    The leader of that gang in the Polo should get the death penalty

    for what. that would effectively condone the crime it would be implemented for.
    Hitchens wrote: »
    the sooner it is brought back the better it will be for this country and it's people.

    yeah. say its wrong to take a life by taking a life and being a hypocritical murderer. it would bring this country back to the dark ages like the ferrel vermin states in america and other dumps that still have it. its not coming back, get over it and move on.
    Hitchens wrote: »
    The other four of them should get long sentences of hard labour.

    there is no hard labour in this country and never will be.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #141
    end of the road
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    there is always someone "unfortunate" when an incident like this happens, that get the book thrown at them to deter others in future, this should be that incident

    the days of things being done to "deter others in future" never existed, only in the minds of the deluded and the "look were doing something aren't we great brigade" . if one doesn't know something is wrong in the first place they aren't going to realize it ever. simple punishment is the only way, the deterrent factor will not exist any more.
    Idbatterim wrote: »
    hit them with every charge possible

    can't be done. they can only charge them with the crime commited and can only do so if they have enough evidence to prove it


    there are levels of scum, release some other lesser scum bag down the chain earlier to free up the space if needs be!
    Idbatterim wrote: »
    imagine the net gain to society if non of the scum had walked from that Polo!

    that statement says to me your okay with this womans death. by condoning these people being killed in the polo had they been that condones all death

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #142
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The_Captain wrote: »
    Pavee Point have released a statement condemning the behaviour of these people and saying that actions like this will only further the discrimination that members of the travelling community are subjected to


    lol of course they haven't. you settled people are just racist for criticising them

    its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #143
    FionnK86
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    end of the road wrote: »

    that statement says to me your okay with this womans death. by condoning these people being killed in the polo had they been that condones all death

    Really? That statement didn't say that to me?


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    #144
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Does the air support helicopter have nightflying and all weather capability?
    Does it have "skyshout" loudspeakers , thermal cameras and powerful searchlights?
    If it isn't kitted out with these facilities it would be next to useless in a nighttime emergency.
    Peanuts and monkeys?

    they definitely have the thermal cameras and the large spotlight,I'm not sure about the speaker though.


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    #145
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    It does look like an unfortunate case of the wrong place at the wrong time. Its obvious the occupants of the Polo were up to no good but I'm not clear why the guards performed this manoeuvre at such a dangerous location.


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    #146
    Gatling
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    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    they definitely have the thermal cameras and the large spotlight,I'm not sure about the speaker though.

    Doesn't have a speaker .

    Been I'm fairly near to Baldonell I haven't seen or heard the Garda helicopter in the last week ,
    I wouldn't be at all surprised it was under going maintenance.


    As for supposed garda boxing in I doubt It actually happened at all it was mentioned in one news article last night .
    But not been mentioned in the majority of reports since
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    #147
    Pedro K
    Registered Users Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    end of the road wrote: »
    its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

    Is it? I would say most people are criticising them based on their own past experiences with them. Are they not genuine reasons?


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    #148
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    end of the road wrote: »
    its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

    Well I guess it's got to be true if you wrote it...


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    #149
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    end of the road wrote: »
    its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

    You're right!
    Travellers are dotes ... the lot of them.


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    #150
    Red Cloud
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Red Cloud


    An unspeakable evil ends Diana Hartens life at 8.30am and by 5pm she is last item on RTE Drivetime news headlines.
    RTE have proven that by adding to the normalisation of murder, far from shining a light on societies evils, they are part of the problem.


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    #151
    Guy:Incognito
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    Red Cloud wrote: »
    An unspeakable evil ends Diana Hartens life at 8.30am and by 5pm she is last item on RTE Drivetime news headlines.
    RTE have proven that by adding to the normalisation of murder, far from shining a light on societies evils, they are part of the problem.

    It happened at 9 last night.


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