Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

toxicity234 · 24-10-2014 11:29am

very sad news. poor Lady. Rip.

As for the garda. Some here say don't chase them.
These are the same people that would say if the garda had stop chasing them and this happen. that the garda should be chasing them.

The people in the polo are to blame. Not the Lady. Not the Garda. There scum and should be treated as scum.

pc7 · 24-10-2014 11:37am

toxicity234 wrote: »

The people in the polo are to blame. Not the Lady. Not the Garda. There scum and should be treated as scum.

Totally agree, but I have absolutely no belief in justice in our system here, I'd wager some of those involved already have previous form. They will get light (if any jail time), it'll all be poor them, bad home, alcohol, drugs and other excuses. I'm sick of it, innocent people suffering. The people terrorized by their home being burgled but these shi*s and that poor girl losing her life and her family will never EVER get over this and these F**kers will get off scot free.
RIP

kupus · 24-10-2014 11:40am

Im so sorry for this and condolences to the poor girls family. I dont blame the garda, this is squarely on the shoulders of the scum that were driving the polo and the judges and lawyers and other associated hangers on that are coining it in with free legal aid.

I wonder when names are given how many convictions the polo occupants will have between them.
The law and justice of ireland is a joke and its the ordinary people that are the punchline.
Unfortunately for the girls family they have to pay the cost of this joke.

Iranoutofideas · 24-10-2014 11:46am

I just can't understand why the Gardai are so under resourced in this country and the likes of the HSE and Irish Water get money thrown at them no questions asked. The same goes for the prison service. We need more and we need to jail people who are a danger to society not people who refuse or can't pay a fine

ChippingSodbury · 24-10-2014 12:00pm

toxicity234 wrote: »

very sad news. poor Lady. Rip.

As for the garda. Some here say don't chase them.
These are the same people that would say if the garda had stop chasing them and this happen. that the garda should be chasing them.

The people in the polo are to blame. Not the Lady. Not the Garda. There scum and should be treated as scum.

Sometimes, there is no easy/ correct solution: you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Nobody knows whether or not the Polo would have crashed into someone else. All I'm hoping is that the gardai made the correct choices in this case and continue to do so in the future. If that means sometimes letting a car get away, so be it.

Egginacup · 24-10-2014 12:00pm

RoboRat wrote: »

I hope to fcuk that the driver of the polo is charged with murder, probably will only get 'dangerous driving' and a slap on the wrist but he should be tried for murder.

How could he POSSIBLY be charged with murder?

obriendj · 24-10-2014 12:03pm

Egginacup wrote: »

How could he POSSIBLY be charged with murder?

Because he killed someone...

But more likely death by dangerous driving. Which I believe is 10 years.

Egginacup · 24-10-2014 12:06pm

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

I just can't understand why the Gardai are so under resourced in this country and the likes of the HSE and Irish Water get money thrown at them no questions asked. The same goes for the prison service. We need more and we need to jail people who are a danger to society not people who refuse or can't pay a fine

Has it not dawned on you yet?
The rich who run countries want more money. That more money that they want is your taxes. Instead of your taxes going to things that benefit YOU they want theat money to go to THEM. That means cutting the services that your taxes should provide but then pocketing the difference when your taxes aren't lowered.
They've come up with a crafty way of doing it too. They bankrupt countries and then tell people that the belt needs to be tightened. Lots of people actually fall for this trick and are so convinced of it that they yell at people who complain about it.

Only little people pay taxes - Leona Helmsley

kupus · 24-10-2014 12:07pm

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

I just can't understand why the Gardai are so under resourced in this country and the likes of the HSE and Irish Water get money thrown at them no questions asked. The same goes for the prison service. We need more and we need to jail people who are a danger to society not people who refuse or can't pay a fine

THere is a revolving door system of dealing with scum, how many times have we read that cops did their job only for the judge to let the offender off on his 50th conviction.

Cops must be pi55ed off that they are doing their jobs only for a pr1ck in his nightgown to let offender off.

HOw would a lot of you feel if you were doing your jobs and your manager came along and completely disregarded all the previous work you have done for that project, and told you to start again.

Im not a cop shill and I have no problem laying into them if I think cops are not doing their jobs, but the reality is they are but they are not backed up in many cases by their judges.
One case recently where a garda couple in mayo or sligo got the sh1te beat out of them and the offenders walked away.

I know many of you talk about supermax prisons in usa and how they are privately run and wish nothing like this happens in Ireland.
But the revolving door system is free legal aid and has paid for many lawyers and judges in these recessionary times.

Justice in ireland is an industry and like any industry you follow where the money from so if its trying to get your client off his 51st conviction so he can make even more convictions you will do so.

This is called repeat business and its the bread and butter of any business.

Cyber Ghost · 24-10-2014 12:08pm

So the traveler folk are still in hospital?

No doubt well have their women outside screaming about what lovely lads they are and that the guards should shot for putting them in hospital

Curly Judge · 24-10-2014 12:10pm

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Sometimes, there is no easy/ correct solution: you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Nobody knows whether or not the Polo would have crashed into someone else. All I'm hoping is that the gardai made the correct choices in this case and continue to do so in the future. If that means sometimes letting a car get away, so be it.

I think the bastards should be chased to the gates of hell!

jezko · 24-10-2014 12:18pm

Egginacup wrote: »

How could he POSSIBLY be charged with murder?

"death by dangerous driving" ?

They were not just Driving dangerously!

They used this Car as a Weapon, used it to evade capture without any thought to the chasing Cops and every other road user along that motorway .... They had a choice to stop, they didn't and have used this car to Kill someone, Nothing else but Murder.

To the Victim RIP.

To the Killers you should Burn for this.

harry Bailey esq · 24-10-2014 12:23pm

Did I read correctly that the occupants of the polo where aged between 13 and 33?That don't sit right,no matter which way you look it.The guards have been quite public about ongoing operations against organised burglary gangs using the main roads out of Dublin,and have indeed had some success in that regard,but I've lost count how many fatalities I remember from police pursuits in this country.Baldonnel is about a 5min chopper ride away,the air support unit should have been scrambled,the boys in pursuit would have pulled back,and and let other units further ahead block the off ramps or deploy those stinger things.They were on a motorway,so they had these scumbags contained to a certain extent,with some coordination from the air this tragedy might have been avoided.God love the poor woman and her family,and hopefully a swift recovery for the two cops

harry Bailey esq · 24-10-2014 12:30pm

Cyber Ghost wrote: »

traveler folk

I was trying to imply this in my post above,but mention travellers around here....well we all know how that usually turns out.

ChippingSodbury · 24-10-2014 12:34pm

Curly Judge wrote: »

I think the bastards should be chased to the gates of hell!

And kill any innocent people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time along the way?

Nice one...

RoboRat · 24-10-2014 12:37pm

How could he POSSIBLY be charged with murder?

Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Unlawful: yes
Killing: yes
Premeditated: debatable but if you drive into somebody at a high speed using your car as a weapon then IMO, thats premeditated.

Will they get charged for it, no. My point was that they should get charged for it.

sweetie · 24-10-2014 12:37pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Did I read correctly that the occupants of the polo where aged between 13 and 33?That don't sit right,no matter which way you look it.The guards have been quite public about ongoing operations against organised burglary gangs using the main roads out of Dublin,and have indeed had some success in that regard,but I've lost count how many fatalities I remember from police pursuits in this country.Baldonnel is about a 5min chopper ride away,the air support unit should have been scrambled,the boys in pursuit would have pulled back,and and let other units further ahead block the off ramps or deploy those stinger things.They were on a motorway,so they had these scumbags contained to a certain extent,with some coordination from the air this tragedy might have been avoided.God love the poor woman and her family,and hopefully a swift recovery for the two cops

Recent burglaries in my parent hometown had some lads as young as 13/14.
Suppose you could call them apprentices.

Such a tragedy for that poor woman's family, RIP.

Makes me think why can't there be a system of preventing access or even alerting people when trying to join the motorway during situations like these.

Idbatterim · 24-10-2014 12:51pm

astronomical sums for the welfare budget, bank bailout, public and civil servants pay, perks and pensions, but not for a properly funded guarda siochana and prisons! Its one area Id be happy to pay more tax for!

Put the judges into the rough areas as part of their studies for a year, instead of behind closed gates in D.4 and 6 etc!

get a few high powered armoured cars and simply smash them off the road... a car or two in front and behind to stop other traffic... 5 lads in a polo, officers from 3 counties involved in the chase, 5 people in what I am assuming was a 1 litre polo!

Barely There · 24-10-2014 12:56pm

The Muppet wrote: »

Perhaps but i'm not a sheep, An innocent woman died last night , the questions I rasied and others need to be answered.

Of course you're not a sheep.
You're a very special and unique little snowflake who's able to come up with loads of 'theories' based on practically no information what-so-ever.

bucketybuck · 24-10-2014 12:56pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Did I read correctly that the occupants of the polo where aged between 13 and 33?That don't sit right,no matter which way you look it.The guards have been quite public about ongoing operations against organised burglary gangs using the main roads out of Dublin,and have indeed had some success in that regard,but I've lost count how many fatalities I remember from police pursuits in this country.Baldonnel is about a 5min chopper ride away,the air support unit should have been scrambled,the boys in pursuit would have pulled back,and and let other units further ahead block the off ramps or deploy those stinger things.They were on a motorway,so they had these scumbags contained to a certain extent,with some coordination from the air this tragedy might have been avoided.God love the poor woman and her family,and hopefully a swift recovery for the two cops

Bullshit post.

You know absolutely nothing about this specific incident. You have no idea if it was feasible to scramble air support, if other cars should have blocked every road in a 50 mile radius with stingers or whether the scumbags were contained or not contained. You know nothing about it so I would suggest you stop pontificating about what you would have done.

Curly Judge · 24-10-2014 12:57pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Did I read correctly that the occupants of the polo where aged between 13 and 33?That don't sit right,no matter which way you look it.The guards have been quite public about ongoing operations against organised burglary gangs using the main roads out of Dublin,and have indeed had some success in that regard,but I've lost count how many fatalities I remember from police pursuits in this country.Baldonnel is about a 5min chopper ride away,the air support unit should have been scrambled,the boys in pursuit would have pulled back,and and let other units further ahead block the off ramps or deploy those stinger things.They were on a motorway,so they had these scumbags contained to a certain extent,with some coordination from the air this tragedy might have been avoided.God love the poor woman and her family,and hopefully a swift recovery for the two cops

Does the air support helicopter have nightflying and all weather capability?
Does it have "skyshout" loudspeakers , thermal cameras and powerful searchlights?
If it isn't kitted out with these facilities it would be next to useless in a nighttime emergency.
Peanuts and monkeys?

Anita M. · 24-10-2014 1:26pm

And yet again people screaming for more gardai: There are too many gardai and they are in the wrong places. What if there had been no garda car there to chase the lot for passing a toll barrier without paying? There would not have been a victim.
A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

Hitchens · 24-10-2014 1:27pm

The leader of that gang in the Polo should get the death penalty and the sooner it is brought back the better it will be for this country and it's people.

The other four of them should get long sentences of hard labour and no televisions in the cells with them.

Deepest sympathy to the family of the unfortunate innocent victim, and also to the Gardai involved.

The_Captain · 24-10-2014 1:27pm

RoboRat wrote: »

Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Unlawful: yes
Killing: yes
Premeditated: debatable but if you drive into somebody at a high speed using your car as a weapon then IMO, thats premeditated.

Will they get charged for it, no. My point was that they should get charged for it.

Legally, they'll be charged with dangerous driving causing death with a possibility of a 10 year sentence

KERSPLAT! · 24-10-2014 1:29pm

Anita M. wrote: »

And yet again people screaming for more gardai: There are too many gardai and they are in the wrong places. What if there had been no garda car there to chase the lot for passing a toll barrier without paying? There would not have been a victim.
A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

Read the thread and related articles. They crashed through a toll barrier and are suspects in house thefts. I don't think paying their toll charges was much of a worry to them

Little CuChulainn · 24-10-2014 1:32pm

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Basterds, rip. Poor woman's family. I hope those scumbags get locked up for 20 years.

However I would like to know why it's seen as a necessity to chase youths on a busy motorway. Is not far more convenient to just follow them with a chopper of sorts to avoid what happened.

It's also like to know if the garda who stopped them were qualified to pursue at high speed s

Your assumption is that the youths are only going from A to B. They generally tend to be joy riding, which means they are going to be a danger either way. They head out the motorways, steal a car and joyride it back to areas like Cherry Orchard where they proceed to drive the **** out of them in green areas and housing estates until they crash.

Idbatterim · 24-10-2014 1:33pm

there is always someone "unfortunate" when an incident like this happens, that get the book thrown at them to deter others in future, this should be that incident, hit them with every charge possible, there are levels of scum, release some other lesser scum bag down the chain earlier to free up the space if needs be!

There is often talk of we need the kids to be tomorrows taxpayers, imagine the net gain to society if non of the scum had walked from that Polo!

Lapin · 24-10-2014 1:58pm

Anita M. wrote: »

A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

Before or after they torched the stolen car?

The Muppet · 24-10-2014 1:58pm

Barely There wrote: »

Of course you're not a sheep.
You're a very special and unique little snowflake who's able to come up with loads of 'theories' based on practically no information what-so-ever.

Oh! what theory did I come up with?

Lapin · 24-10-2014 2:10pm

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

Said on Newstalk the occupants of the Polo are travellers.

Makes no difference whether they are Travellers, Settled, Settled Travellers or or mixture of everything.

They are scum through and through. More than likely dragged up by parental scum who passed on their habits to them, just as they were passing them on to the 13 year old in the car.

FFS What kind of cretinous arseholes bring a child on a burglary spree? Absolute pure and utter scum.

They should be done for child neglect as well as manslaughter.

RoboRat · 24-10-2014 2:12pm

A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

Not... quite.... sure.... what... to.... say....

JillyQ · 24-10-2014 2:25pm

The_Captain wrote: »

Legally, they'll be charged with dangerous driving causing death with a possibility of a 10 year sentence

the sentence for that offence should be changed to at least 25years.

endacl · 24-10-2014 2:46pm

Lapin wrote: »

FFS What kind of cretinous arseholes bring a child on a burglary?

The kind that need a small body to get through a small window in order to open the back door.

Little CuChulainn · 24-10-2014 2:48pm

endacl wrote: »

The kind that need a small body to get through a small window in order to open the back door.

It also acts like an apprenticeship. They learn how to hotwire cars, fish keys through the letterbox and how to pick a good mark.

cometogether · 24-10-2014 2:56pm

I am so enraged reading this. Throw the book at these c unts. Thoughts with the family of this lady

Lapin · 24-10-2014 3:13pm

endacl wrote: »

The kind that need a small body to get through a small window in order to open the back door.

Yes I know. My question was more of an attack at the mindset of these scumbags rather than their actual use of children to commit crimes.

Shady Tady · 24-10-2014 3:15pm

Anita M. wrote: »

And yet again people screaming for more gardai: There are too many gardai and they are in the wrong places. What if there had been no garda car there to chase the lot for passing a toll barrier without paying? There would not have been a victim.
A simple photo camera in place would have been enough to catch up with the non paying lot later.

If they had robbed your house you'd be singing a different tune, pathetic post! RIP to the woman who died and thoughts are with her family.

The_Captain · 24-10-2014 3:30pm

Pavee Point have released a statement condemning the behaviour of these people and saying that actions like this will only further the discrimination that members of the travelling community are subjected to

lol of course they haven't. you settled people are just racist for criticising them

end of the road · 24-10-2014 3:40pm

Hitchens wrote: »

The leader of that gang in the Polo should get the death penalty

for what. that would effectively condone the crime it would be implemented for.

Hitchens wrote: »

the sooner it is brought back the better it will be for this country and it's people.

yeah. say its wrong to take a life by taking a life and being a hypocritical murderer. it would bring this country back to the dark ages like the ferrel vermin states in america and other dumps that still have it. its not coming back, get over it and move on.

Hitchens wrote: »

The other four of them should get long sentences of hard labour.

there is no hard labour in this country and never will be.

end of the road · 24-10-2014 3:46pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

there is always someone "unfortunate" when an incident like this happens, that get the book thrown at them to deter others in future, this should be that incident

the days of things being done to "deter others in future" never existed, only in the minds of the deluded and the "look were doing something aren't we great brigade" . if one doesn't know something is wrong in the first place they aren't going to realize it ever. simple punishment is the only way, the deterrent factor will not exist any more.

Idbatterim wrote: »

hit them with every charge possible

can't be done. they can only charge them with the crime commited and can only do so if they have enough evidence to prove it

there are levels of scum, release some other lesser scum bag down the chain earlier to free up the space if needs be!

Idbatterim wrote: »

imagine the net gain to society if non of the scum had walked from that Polo!

that statement says to me your okay with this womans death. by condoning these people being killed in the polo had they been that condones all death

end of the road · 24-10-2014 3:50pm

The_Captain wrote: »

Pavee Point have released a statement condemning the behaviour of these people and saying that actions like this will only further the discrimination that members of the travelling community are subjected to

lol of course they haven't. you settled people are just racist for criticising them

its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

FionnK86 · 24-10-2014 3:52pm

end of the road wrote: »

that statement says to me your okay with this womans death. by condoning these people being killed in the polo had they been that condones all death

Really? That statement didn't say that to me?

harry Bailey esq · 24-10-2014 4:08pm

Curly Judge wrote: »

Does the air support helicopter have nightflying and all weather capability?
Does it have "skyshout" loudspeakers , thermal cameras and powerful searchlights?
If it isn't kitted out with these facilities it would be next to useless in a nighttime emergency.
Peanuts and monkeys?

they definitely have the thermal cameras and the large spotlight,I'm not sure about the speaker though.

Gael23 · 24-10-2014 4:23pm

It does look like an unfortunate case of the wrong place at the wrong time. Its obvious the occupants of the Polo were up to no good but I'm not clear why the guards performed this manoeuvre at such a dangerous location.

Gatling · 24-10-2014 4:24pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

they definitely have the thermal cameras and the large spotlight,I'm not sure about the speaker though.

Doesn't have a speaker .

Been I'm fairly near to Baldonell I haven't seen or heard the Garda helicopter in the last week ,
I wouldn't be at all surprised it was under going maintenance.

As for supposed garda boxing in I doubt It actually happened at all it was mentioned in one news article last night .
But not been mentioned in the majority of reports since

Pedro K · 24-10-2014 4:31pm

end of the road wrote: »

its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

Is it? I would say most people are criticising them based on their own past experiences with them. Are they not genuine reasons?

smash · 24-10-2014 4:36pm

end of the road wrote: »

its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

Well I guess it's got to be true if you wrote it...

Curly Judge · 24-10-2014 5:11pm

end of the road wrote: »

its well known there are very few who criticise travelers for genuine reasons.

You're right!
Travellers are dotes ... the lot of them.

Red Cloud · 24-10-2014 5:18pm

An unspeakable evil ends Diana Hartens life at 8.30am and by 5pm she is last item on RTE Drivetime news headlines.
RTE have proven that by adding to the normalisation of murder, far from shining a light on societies evils, they are part of the problem.

Guy:Incognito · 24-10-2014 5:22pm

Red Cloud wrote: »

An unspeakable evil ends Diana Hartens life at 8.30am and by 5pm she is last item on RTE Drivetime news headlines.
RTE have proven that by adding to the normalisation of murder, far from shining a light on societies evils, they are part of the problem.

It happened at 9 last night.

Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

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