Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

Grayson · 24-10-2014 5:23pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

Innocentlygoing about her day! Adding to and benefiting her family and community and society!

Those five bastards will have all their medical and court expenses paid for by us ordinary people just like the unfortunate woman they murdered! They will be a burden on the state while they will always seek to steal and burgle our homes. They will most likely bring cases against the state and Gardai for compensation for their injuries and win.

It is about time for one of the few american police policy's I believe in, and these ****s can be driven into the barriers or into the ditch to stop them, even if it kills them they are committing a crime so if they die it is their own tough luck!

Time to protect the public at large!

i seriously hope they are put away but if that happens it has to be after a fair trial and that means they need proper legal representation.

Red Cloud · 24-10-2014 5:36pm

Should read 8.30 PM.
Point stands.
How does her manslaughter drop below story on technical group in Dáil and David Cameron blah blah.
It's a story broke to most people this morning. We have lost our ability to care enough about the increasing levels of criminal violence and indifference to the sanctity of life.

Guy:Incognito · 24-10-2014 5:42pm

Red Cloud wrote: »

How does her manslaughter drop below story on technical group in Dáil and David Cameron blah blah..

How many people do you reckon hadn't heard about it by half 5 this evening?
does telling them the same thing over and over as the main news story really make that much of a difference?

Is how much people care measured by the length of time RTE have the story first on the news?

endacl · 24-10-2014 5:46pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How many people do you reckon hadn't heard about it by half 5 this evening?
does telling them the same thing over and over as the main news story really make that much of a difference?

Is how much people care measured by the length of time RTE have the story first on the news?

You have to keep them outraged, d'you see? Those flaming pitchforks aren't going to brandish themselves.

That's the problem with this country. Can't even organise a angry mob...

:mad:

HeidiHeidi · 24-10-2014 6:03pm

Red Cloud wrote: »

Should read 8.30 PM.
Point stands.
How does her manslaughter drop below story on technical group in Dáil and David Cameron blah blah.
It's a story broke to most people this morning. We have lost our ability to care enough about the increasing levels of criminal violence and indifference to the sanctity of life.

It's the top story on the 6o'c news on RTE tv.

end of the road · 24-10-2014 6:35pm

Grayson wrote: »

i seriously hope they are put away but if that happens it has to be after a fair trial and that means they need proper legal representation.

exactly. and to add to that, i wouldn't be looking to america for our policing methods either

Gatling · 24-10-2014 6:47pm

end of the road wrote: »

exactly. and to add to that, i wouldn't be looking to america for our policing methods either

Why not exactly

We don't have joint enterprise , which in these situations all 5 in the car would be charged in connection with the death .

Also the American's would use the car as a deadly weapon when charging suspects involved in vehicular homicide

Anita M. · 24-10-2014 7:33pm

Shady Tady wrote: »

If they had robbed your house you'd be singing a different tune, pathetic post! RIP to the woman who died and thoughts are with her family.

When my house was robbed they did not bother to come out!

Shady Tady · 24-10-2014 7:40pm

Anita M. wrote: »

When my house was robbed they did not bother to come out!

horse****e!

Anita M. · 24-10-2014 7:43pm

Want to come and take a look? I am sure you are a garda.

end of the road · 24-10-2014 7:51pm

Shady Tady wrote: »

horse****e!

well Anita M. says otherwise. so no it isn't

Shady Tady · 24-10-2014 7:51pm

Anita M. wrote: »

Want to come and take a look? I am sure you are a garda.

No thanks, I don't believe you tell us the real story, don't think you will

Red Cloud · 24-10-2014 7:54pm

Guy Incognito

A beautiful human life was wiped away last night by thugs fleeing apprehension for crimes committed against decent people in our community.
Can any of us know of the devastation caused to families and friends of this innocent woman and the permanent terrible gap her absence will leave in their lives?
So if it's ok with you, yes I would like to see the story of her tragedy dominate the news at 5pm today on Drivetime.

sashafierce · 24-10-2014 8:36pm

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KERSPLAT! · 24-10-2014 8:39pm

sashafierce wrote: »

This story makes me feel sick with anger. When are some serious laws going to be brought into Ireland. These "youths" or scumbags, which I believe is the correct term, have no fear and im sure, no remorse!

Absolutely disgusting! Shame on them and shame on their parents!

I know plenty of scumbags from decent families. Some people are just that, scumbags, nothing to do with their parents or families.

HeidiHeidi · 24-10-2014 8:40pm

sashafierce wrote: »

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There are plenty of laws in Ireland. It's the application of them (or not) is the problem.

Shady Tady · 24-10-2014 8:44pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

There are plenty of laws in Ireland. It's the application of them (or not) is the problem.

The courts are full with scum and so are the prisons we have a serious high % of scum in this country and all we do is top them up with payments from hardworking people! Who they then go out an victimise and then we give them free legal aid to get off!

Guy:Incognito · 24-10-2014 8:45pm

Red Cloud wrote: »

Guy Incognito

A beautiful human life was wiped away last night by thugs fleeing apprehension for crimes committed against decent people in our community.
Can any of us know of the devastation caused to families and friends of this innocent woman and the permanent terrible gap her absence will leave in their lives?
So if it's ok with you, yes I would like to see the story of her tragedy dominate the news at 5pm today on Drivetime.

Your being very melodramatic Tbh, there's very little to be gained by repeating the same thing over and over. Most people listening to the radio at that time would have listened in the morning or heard it already. At what point do you deem it acceptable to move it down the list? There was very little new information through the day, the just repeated the same script over and over. It's not going to make anyone feel better that they are repeating how dead she is for longer.

Two people were murdered in their home yesterday morning, should those two "beautiful human lives " also be the top story too? At what stage does she bump them off it?

sashafierce · 24-10-2014 8:48pm

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Shady Tady · 24-10-2014 8:52pm

sashafierce wrote: »

You will find the majority of scumbags are from scumbag families! No normal person with respect for other peoples lives would do what these "youths" done!

The guards are afraid of the "youths", the "youths" are not afraid of the guards - that's the problem!

Why do you think the guards are "afraid"?

KERSPLAT! · 24-10-2014 8:54pm

sashafierce wrote: »

You will find the majority of scumbags are from scumbag families! No normal person with respect for other peoples lives would do what these "youths" done!

The guards are afraid of the "youths", the "youths" are not afraid of the guards - that's the problem!

Why are you putting youths in inverted commas?

Maybe a majority do come from scumbag families but you don't know these peoples specific families so it's hardly fair to blame them when you know nothing about them

sashafierce · 24-10-2014 8:56pm

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HeidiHeidi · 24-10-2014 9:04pm

Shady Tady wrote: »

The courts are full with scum and so are the prisons we have a serious high % of scum in this country and all we do is top them up with payments from hardworking people! Who they then go out an victimise and then we give them free legal aid to get off!

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I fully agree that the courts and prisons are full to bursting - the problem is that the systems can't cope and they either aren't given sentences in the first place, or if they are they only serve a fraction of it.

I'm not calling for lock-them-up-and-throw-away-the-key, but there has to be some sort of a deterrent if they're caught at **** like this, and there just isn't.

When I said the problem is with the application of laws, I meant from a sentencing point of view.

JillyQ · 24-10-2014 9:05pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Why are you putting youths in inverted commas?

Maybe a majority do come from scumbag families but you don't know these peoples specific families so it's hardly fair to blame them when you know nothing about them

What other type of people would have a 13 year old with them on the rob.

sashafierce · 24-10-2014 9:06pm

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Lord Trollington · 24-10-2014 9:08pm

I work for a company who owns a big Spar shop in another town and Petrol forecourt. 3 or 4 times a week they are robbed in the middle of the day by 12/13/14 year old travelling scumers.

They walk in in broad daylight, whilst the "parents" wait outside. Not wearing anything to conceal their identity as brazen as you could be and proceed to fill their pockets and carrier bags. Anything that comes to their hands as they walk by and nothing in particular. If caught or challenged they simply drop the carrier bag and scatter. This Spar is also directly across the road from a Garda station. I have seen the CCTV and have it on my phone and you wouldn't believe it if you seen it.
They have absolutely no regard for anyone or any law.

Scum is an absolute understatement. In the 28 years of my life I have yet to have one positive or indeed neutral dealing with a traveller be it male or female, young or old.

For anyone looking for justice : Padraig Nally was sentenced to 6 years for defending his property in shooting dead John Frog Ward who had 80 convictions and 38 court appearances. I don't think there is such a word when it comes to travelers.

Hitchens · 24-10-2014 9:13pm

Chain gang for the basterds!! :mad:

KERSPLAT! · 24-10-2014 9:21pm

JillyQ wrote: »

What other type of people would have a 13 year old with them on the rob.

Your post has nothing to do with mine so I've no idea why you quoted me

Shady Tady · 24-10-2014 9:43pm

sashafierce wrote: »

Because I know a guard who was called to the house of an old lady who's house was robbed and the 'robber' threatened the guards daughter and he was never convicted for the robbery because of it! Straight from the guard's wife's mouth!

So he represents all gardai and all gardai investigations, if it was my daughter he threatened he'd do time for the burglary and the threat and that would be what the vast majority of gardai would do in a heartbeat!

KERSPLAT! · 24-10-2014 9:44pm

Shady Tady wrote: »

So he represents all gardai and all gardai investigations, if it was my daughter he threatened he'd do time for the burglary and the threat and that would be what the vast majority of gardai wod do!

A friend of a friend of a friend said... So it must be true.

Tail Docker · 24-10-2014 9:45pm

Hitchens wrote: »

Chain gang for the basterds!! :mad:

Chain gang? They'll sue for being endangered/injured for "just not paying the toll", They'll claim it was just "racist gards" discriminating against them for being Travvelers and over-reacting to them not paying €3.. And most likely, they'll win. Unless the Gards have concrete proof they were out robbing, which I doubt they have tbh. The four others will claim off the drivers insurance for "being in an acident" and will all get big payouts.

Chain gang me hole. It will be ca-ching. It always is.

sashafierce · 24-10-2014 9:48pm

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wicklowstevo · 24-10-2014 9:48pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda-cars-not-fit-for-purpose-1.1975710

worth a read if you are looking for some one to really blame , after all scumbags will always be scumbags , if you want the gardai to police them for f ss sake give them the tools to do it

demanufactured · 24-10-2014 9:50pm

Very sad what happened to that poor woman.

Those picks deserve to be chopped up and fed to dogs.

sashafierce · 24-10-2014 9:50pm

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end of the road · 24-10-2014 9:51pm

sashafierce wrote: »

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its like that in many countries. difference is they are good at hiding the problem. we have the laws. we just don't have enough of the people to enforce them

sashafierce · 24-10-2014 9:53pm

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punisher5112 · 24-10-2014 10:01pm

I send my sincere condolences to the womans family and friends.

This should not have happened but sadly did and hopefully something good can come from it after things have been investigated, I know nothing good will but there is always hope.

The Irish police force along with the UK are cutting costs where ever they can with the likes of purchasing a sh1t load of ford connects which are in no way suitable to get Gardai on any scene safely, we now have a sh1t load of light Hyundai vehicles bought and more on the way and I just can't get my mind around it.

Gardai and any police force for that matter should be equipped with suitable vehicles and should be trainned at how to handle their vehicles and so on..

Free legal aid and the whole justice system has to be overhauled big time.

These absolute scum and robbing backstards will always get away with it so in some ways the chase seems pointless as they will just continue what they do.

These criminals are career criminals and best way to explain it is this is their life and their job they make money at what they do and that is terrorise people and ruin lives.

Hope some day they break into the wrong house and last thing they see is a barrel.

markc2951 · 24-10-2014 10:04pm

thats terrible may she rest in peace

irishgeo · 24-10-2014 10:04pm

Tail Docker wrote: »

Chain gang? They'll sue for being endangered/injured for "just not paying the toll", They'll claim it was just "racist gards" discriminating against them for being Travvelers and over-reacting to them not paying €3.. And most likely, they'll win. Unless the Gards have concrete proof they were out robbing, which I doubt they have tbh. The four others will claim off the drivers insurance for "being in an acident" and will all get big payouts.

Chain gang me hole. It will be ca-ching. It always is.

Yeah I am sure they have insurance.

end of the road · 24-10-2014 10:06pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Padraig Nally was sentenced to 6 years

and he deserved every bit of it.

Lord Trollington wrote: »

for defending his property in shooting dead John Frog Ward who had 80 convictions and 38 court appearances.

he wasn't "defending his property" . he shot a man who was leaving the property and then beat the **** out of him on the ground. but as the man shot happened to be a traveler, or a traveler who had convictions Nally was "defending his property" . you couldn't make it up. Nally got what he deserved, a shame he was released but he served something

punisher5112 · 24-10-2014 10:08pm

irishgeo wrote: »

Yeah I am sure they have insurance.

If the drivers does or doesn't we all pay in the end as they will go through the un insured drivers board and if the recent claims against the likes of Dublin Bus and others even when not at fault and millions paid out I just can't understand the sue for everything culture here in Ireland.

Hitchens · 24-10-2014 10:09pm

end of the road wrote: »

and he deserved every bit of it.

he wasn't "defending his property" . he shot a man who was leaving the property and then beat the **** out of him on the ground. but as the man shot happened to be a traveler, or a traveler who had convictions Nally was "defending his property" . you couldn't make it up. Nally got what he deserved, a shame he was released but he served something

so did frog

Dr Turk Turkelton · 24-10-2014 10:11pm

Hitchens wrote: »

so did frog

Touchee.

punisher5112 · 24-10-2014 10:14pm

end of the road wrote: »

and he deserved every bit of it.

he wasn't "defending his property" . he shot a man who was leaving the property and then beat the **** out of him on the ground. but as the man shot happened to be a traveler, or a traveler who had convictions Nally was "defending his property" . you couldn't make it up. Nally got what he deserved, a shame he was released but he served something

Totally off topic but he made the mistake of shooting him in the back.

Shoot once make it count second shot warning shot;)

Best method with these types as that man( scum bag) was and only right he made the farmers life hell and plenty of others around.

Yes some will say my thinking is wrong but hey thats my opinion.

Tail Docker · 24-10-2014 10:19pm

irishgeo wrote: »

Yeah I am sure they have insurance.

Really? You can bet they did. If i see a 141 or 142 big, shiny, white saloon car of any type, I always think - "Travvelers". Or 141/142 black Polos. They adore insurance. They pay it happily. Why not, sure they get far more than they give. They play the game to a tee. They'll play it this time too, no doubt. Insurance is the best thing ever invented in their eyes. It's like the Lotto, only with waay better odds.

Little CuChulainn · 24-10-2014 10:24pm

1000 Gardai injured on duty per year. That's 10% of frontline workers. Can't see how you can accuse them of being afraid, unless you think all those injuries are from staying away from criminals.

Tail Docker · 24-10-2014 10:29pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

1000 Gardai injured on duty per year. That's 10% of frontline workers. Can't see how you can accuse them of being afraid, unless you think all those injuries are from staying away from criminals.

They stay away from certain groups. Others, not so much.

Lord Trollington · 24-10-2014 10:30pm

end of the road wrote: »

and he deserved every bit of it.

he wasn't "defending his property" . he shot a man who was leaving the property and then beat the **** out of him on the ground. but as the man shot happened to be a traveler, or a traveler who had convictions Nally was "defending his property" . you couldn't make it up. Nally got what he deserved, a shame he was released but he served something

He shot a man after coming upon him going from the front door of his house and around to the back and basically hanging around his farm yard. This was the 2nd time in as many weeks Frog had visited and looked around the farm. I would imagine Nally knew this man was a traveler by looking at him and also knew he wasn't popping around for tea and a chat.

He shot at him and hit target after which a struggle ensued. The man fled towards his car where his son was waiting, Nally followed him and shot him again. Killing him.

I would have done the same. And I probably would have shot the scummer son also.

You can say he shot a man leaving his property and technically you are right. He shot a man with 80 convictions and 38 court appearances. Some would say Nally was a good judge of character.

I'll directly quote Nally : what happened on my farm – and what followed – had nothing whatsoever to do with Travellers. It was just me and another man….I felt I was under threat and in danger and I acted on the spur of the moment. A man lost his life that day and I’m sorry for the family of John Ward but I didn’t get up that morning thinking I was going to kill someone. I’m not that sort of person. I didn’t go looking for trouble. Trouble came looking for me.’

Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

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